Lisa Montgomery becomes first woman executed by feds in 67 years

[Animal]

The fact that it isn't much of a problem legally over there for the man who actually did the murders to finally admit that the man being executed for the murders did not in fact order them after all should be regarded as a little bit of a fucking problem.

But it's not.

You don't know that he didn't order them.

True, I just know that the only witness who claimed he did recanted that claim, leaving zero evidence, and that the guy went to his death proclaiming his innocence.

And the guy that did the actual shooting didn’t get the death penalty.

is it too late to kill him, too?

[Cassandros]

If a mafia boss orders a hit, are his hands clean?

Or does he have blood on his hands for the death count just like the person following orders?

Inquiring minds want to know.

[spudoc]

If a mafia boss orders a hit, are his hands clean?

Or does he have blood on his hands for the death count just like the person following orders?

Inquiring minds want to know.

So what you're saying is if Trump wanted more executions and ordered his Attorney General to make it happen then Trump is ultimately responsible. Good to see you coming around on this incredibly obvious point.

[Cassandros]

If a mafia boss orders a hit, are his hands clean?

Or does he have blood on his hands for the death count just like the person following orders?

Inquiring minds want to know.

So what you're saying is if Trump wanted more executions and ordered his Attorney General to make it happen then Trump is ultimately responsible. Good to see you coming around on this incredibly obvious point.

Again, was Barr ordered to do it?

If so, yes. If not, then no.

Citations please.

[AnalHamster]

If a mafia boss orders a hit he is equally culpable, but that is not the same situation as two criminals, one of whom actually did it, witnessing for a deal then later recanting and saying it was a lie.

In the original trial that would inarguably be reasonable doubt, the problem is that post conviction it's a far, far lower standard to declare the conviction safe.

This is one of the reasons y'all keep executing innocent people.

[AnalHamster]

If a mafia boss orders a hit, are his hands clean?

Or does he have blood on his hands for the death count just like the person following orders?

Inquiring minds want to know.

So what you're saying is if Trump wanted more executions and ordered his Attorney General to make it happen then Trump is ultimately responsible. Good to see you coming around on this incredibly obvious point.

Again, was Barr ordered to do it?

If so, yes. If not, then no.

Citations please.

You're familiar with the concept of a president aren't you? The next one has decided not to execute anyone, a policy he is free to pursue. If you want to claim it is barr's policy alone and nothing to do with the potus who appointed him and was supposed to set policy, the best you can say for trump there is you're calling him grossly incompetent and negligent.

Which, to be fair, he definitely is. So could have been all bloodthirsty Barr.

[AnalHamster]

If a mana boss orders a hit he is equally culpable, but that is not the same situation as two criminals, one of whom actually did it, witnessing for a deal then later recanting and saying it was a lie.

In the original trial that would inarguably be reasonable doubt, the problem is that post conviction it's a far, far lower standard to declare the conviction safe.

This is one of the reasons y'all keep executing innocent people.

The dude got what he deserved. Who was the last innocent person to get executed in the US?

Well there's a big long list of those against whom the evidence does not pass the reasonable doubt bar anymore and therefore may have been innocent. This last guy for example.

Demonstrably innocent victims are rare because investigations usual stop when you kill one, but Cameron todd Willingham was convicted on outright false forensics and Johnny Garrett was exonerated by dna after death, just a couple of examples from Texas.

[Animal]

So what you're saying is if Trump wanted more executions and ordered his Attorney General to make it happen then Trump is ultimately responsible. Good to see you coming around on this incredibly obvious point.

what makes you think this is a problem?

i know for you karens that don't allow spankings and stuff its impossible to wrap your head around an execution. but for some of us its fine.

[Wut]

So what you're saying is if Trump wanted more executions and ordered his Attorney General to make it happen then Trump is ultimately responsible. Good to see you coming around on this incredibly obvious point.

what makes you think this is a problem?

i know for you karens that don't allow spankings and stuff its impossible to wrap your head around an execution. but for some of us its fine.

I don’t know about you but I never had to beat my children to get them to listen to me.

[Animal]

So what you're saying is if Trump wanted more executions and ordered his Attorney General to make it happen then Trump is ultimately responsible. Good to see you coming around on this incredibly obvious point.

what makes you think this is a problem?

i know for you karens that don't allow spankings and stuff its impossible to wrap your head around an execution. but for some of us its fine.

I don’t know about you but I never had to beat my children to get them to listen to me.

that's great!

[spudoc]

So what you're saying is if Trump wanted more executions and ordered his Attorney General to make it happen then Trump is ultimately responsible. Good to see you coming around on this incredibly obvious point.

what makes you think this is a problem?

i know for you karens that don't allow spankings and stuff its impossible to wrap your head around an execution. but for some of us its fine.

I don’t know about you but I never had to beat my children to get them to listen to me.

Spanking children is for lazy and uncreative parents.

[spudoc]

So what you're saying is if Trump wanted more executions and ordered his Attorney General to make it happen then Trump is ultimately responsible. Good to see you coming around on this incredibly obvious point.

what makes you think this is a problem?

i know for you karens that don't allow spankings and stuff its impossible to wrap your head around an execution. but for some of us its fine.

I was just reinforcing the point that federal executions have increased during the Trump administration due to the wishes of Trump. Others here are saying that it is Barr’s doing.

[Animal]

So what you're saying is if Trump wanted more executions and ordered his Attorney General to make it happen then Trump is ultimately responsible. Good to see you coming around on this incredibly obvious point.

what makes you think this is a problem?

i know for you karens that don't allow spankings and stuff its impossible to wrap your head around an execution. but for some of us its fine.

I was just reinforcing the point that federal executions have increased during the Trump administration due to the wishes of Trump. Others here are saying that it is Barr’s doing.

is it important to you to pinpoint it?