Re: The one exact date down to the minute
Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:34 am
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By all means, never say my name or address me again. That would be outstanding. You can't keep my name out your 13 mouths, punkFreakShowFanatic wrote: ↑Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:54 amIt was a very poignant and sincere post but you're right, that tired fuck Third Shit is a loser and I should have never wasted my time with him Quint. You're another person I shouldn't waste my time with you short fucking ugly loser.
You are definitely the punk here, not me shorty. Whatever, I'm fine with it. You RD, Biker, and your latest fag friends can never communicate with me again & I promise I will reciprocate by never talking to you again.captquint wrote: ↑Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:57 amBy all means, never say my name or address me again. That would be outstanding. You can't keep my name out your 13 mouths, punkFreakShowFanatic wrote: ↑Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:54 amIt was a very poignant and sincere post but you're right, that tired fuck Third Shit is a loser and I should have never wasted my time with him Quint. You're another person I shouldn't waste my time with you short fucking ugly loser.
You stated that Spain had superior sailing technology compared to the rest of Europe and that is just flat wrong. The English landed in North America just 5 years after Columbus. They didn't't row there. The Brits had already contracted with John Cabot for westward exploration before Columbus ever left Spain for the New World.WestTexasCrude wrote: ↑Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:18 pm In answer to spudoc's comments, the British by the 1520-1550's were playing major catch up. Spain had already sailed all around the globe and the Portuguese were already making the Indian Ocean their "lake". There is no surprise that so many place names in the E US and Canada (Hudson River, Hudson Bay, etc) have British explorer names. Cut off from rounding either S passages, they were looking for a NW (over Canada) passage and later NE (Over Eurasia) passage. Anything to get them to China, Spice Islands and the riches of the East. Spent lots of time, money and energy for 200 years to find no passage either way.
Everyone had the sails, I think Columbus's real breakthrough was the outboard motor.
Most people don't know that Columbus' middle name was Evinrude.analhamster wrote: ↑Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:09 amEveryone had the sails, I think Columbus's real breakthrough was the outboard motor.
The French had the outboard motor as early as the 14th century. Columbus's game changer was the hydrofoil.analhamster wrote: ↑Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:09 amEveryone had the sails, I think Columbus's real breakthrough was the outboard motor.
But everyone knew about his Johnson.Flumper wrote: ↑Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:12 amMost people don't know that Columbus' middle name was Evinrude.analhamster wrote: ↑Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:09 amEveryone had the sails, I think Columbus's real breakthrough was the outboard motor.
I never stated Spain had superior tech. It was the Portuguese that actually spent decades under Henry the Navigator during the 1400's finding the S tip of Africa to get to India that perfected the caravel. Spain, English and later French and Dutch copied it. It could sail somewhat into the wind. And everybody is forgetting in the 1490's, every country of W Europe was deeply religious and "Catholic". The Pope was considered the ruler over all the Monarch's of the World. Thus the papal bull (inter caetera) of 1493 that divided the World between Spain and Portugal. Right down to dividing lines Atlantic and Pacific. Threatened excommunication to any Monarch that defied it. Led to to Henry VIII and Martin Luther reformation and the Break.spudoc wrote: ↑Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:31 pmYou stated that Spain had superior sailing technology compared to the rest of Europe and that is just flat wrong. The English landed in North America just 5 years after Columbus. They didn't't row there. The Brits had already contracted with John Cabot for westward exploration before Columbus ever left Spain for the New World.WestTexasCrude wrote: ↑Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:18 pm In answer to spudoc's comments, the British by the 1520-1550's were playing major catch up. Spain had already sailed all around the globe and the Portuguese were already making the Indian Ocean their "lake". There is no surprise that so many place names in the E US and Canada (Hudson River, Hudson Bay, etc) have British explorer names. Cut off from rounding either S passages, they were looking for a NW (over Canada) passage and later NE (Over Eurasia) passage. Anything to get them to China, Spice Islands and the riches of the East. Spent lots of time, money and energy for 200 years to find no passage either way.
Son. I've forgotten more history in my entire life than you will ever learn in yours.analhamster wrote: ↑Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:39 pm WTC tends to do this when he's caught pretending to be an expert on something, he just doubles down and starts pulling shit from his ass. There was no distinction in technology between Western European naval powers at that point because it was a pretty open area in terms of trade, information and technology. People with the knowledge travelled between countries, and the wars and skirmishes that broke out every few years resulted in ships built in one country being captured by another. There was no secret naval technology possessed only by spain.
I can learn more history in the next 60 seconds than your inferior neurological infrastructure can retain with a lifetime of training. You reliably humiliate yourself every single time you try to appear knowledgeable on any topic.WestTexasCrude wrote: ↑Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:18 amSon. I've forgotten more history in my entire life than you will ever learn in yours.analhamster wrote: ↑Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:39 pm WTC tends to do this when he's caught pretending to be an expert on something, he just doubles down and starts pulling shit from his ass. There was no distinction in technology between Western European naval powers at that point because it was a pretty open area in terms of trade, information and technology. People with the knowledge travelled between countries, and the wars and skirmishes that broke out every few years resulted in ships built in one country being captured by another. There was no secret naval technology possessed only by spain.
"Good lord AH. If you actually believe all of Europe had this ocean tech in the 1490's, you are either naive or an idiot. Probably both. Vast majority of every body else was doing the slave oared galleys from Roman times.And did for another 300 years-ie Battle of Lapanto."WestTexasCrude wrote: ↑Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:14 amI never stated Spain had superior tech. It was the Portuguese that actually spent decades under Henry the Navigator during the 1400's finding the S tip of Africa to get to India that perfected the caravel. Spain, English and later French and Dutch copied it. It could sail somewhat into the wind. And everybody is forgetting in the 1490's, every country of W Europe was deeply religious and "Catholic". The Pope was considered the ruler over all the Monarch's of the World. Thus the papal bull (inter caetera) of 1493 that divided the World between Spain and Portugal. Right down to dividing lines Atlantic and Pacific. Threatened excommunication to any Monarch that defied it. Led to to Henry VIII and Martin Luther reformation and the Break.spudoc wrote: ↑Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:31 pmYou stated that Spain had superior sailing technology compared to the rest of Europe and that is just flat wrong. The English landed in North America just 5 years after Columbus. They didn't't row there. The Brits had already contracted with John Cabot for westward exploration before Columbus ever left Spain for the New World.WestTexasCrude wrote: ↑Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:18 pm In answer to spudoc's comments, the British by the 1520-1550's were playing major catch up. Spain had already sailed all around the globe and the Portuguese were already making the Indian Ocean their "lake". There is no surprise that so many place names in the E US and Canada (Hudson River, Hudson Bay, etc) have British explorer names. Cut off from rounding either S passages, they were looking for a NW (over Canada) passage and later NE (Over Eurasia) passage. Anything to get them to China, Spice Islands and the riches of the East. Spent lots of time, money and energy for 200 years to find no passage either way.
I understand your frustration. When faced with the prospect of talking with someone who's knowledge of History vastly and I mean vastly outclasses your own, You lash out. I would do the same thing but I respect anyone that has more knowledge on this subject than me. And it's not you, not even close.analhamster wrote: ↑Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:22 amI can learn more history in the next 60 seconds than your inferior neurological infrastructure can retain with a lifetime of training. You reliably humiliate yourself every single time you try to appear knowledgeable on any topic.WestTexasCrude wrote: ↑Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:18 amSon. I've forgotten more history in my entire life than you will ever learn in yours.analhamster wrote: ↑Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:39 pm WTC tends to do this when he's caught pretending to be an expert on something, he just doubles down and starts pulling shit from his ass. There was no distinction in technology between Western European naval powers at that point because it was a pretty open area in terms of trade, information and technology. People with the knowledge travelled between countries, and the wars and skirmishes that broke out every few years resulted in ships built in one country being captured by another. There was no secret naval technology possessed only by spain.
Good Lord. It's so damn simple. Open ocean- wind and tides- sails/ Mediterranean- not.spudoc wrote: ↑Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:25 am"Good lord AH. If you actually believe all of Europe had this ocean tech in the 1490's, you are either naive or an idiot. Probably both. Vast majority of every body else was doing the slave oared galleys from Roman times.And did for another 300 years-ie Battle of Lapanto."WestTexasCrude wrote: ↑Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:14 amI never stated Spain had superior tech. It was the Portuguese that actually spent decades under Henry the Navigator during the 1400's finding the S tip of Africa to get to India that perfected the caravel. Spain, English and later French and Dutch copied it. It could sail somewhat into the wind. And everybody is forgetting in the 1490's, every country of W Europe was deeply religious and "Catholic". The Pope was considered the ruler over all the Monarch's of the World. Thus the papal bull (inter caetera) of 1493 that divided the World between Spain and Portugal. Right down to dividing lines Atlantic and Pacific. Threatened excommunication to any Monarch that defied it. Led to to Henry VIII and Martin Luther reformation and the Break.spudoc wrote: ↑Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:31 pmYou stated that Spain had superior sailing technology compared to the rest of Europe and that is just flat wrong. The English landed in North America just 5 years after Columbus. They didn't't row there. The Brits had already contracted with John Cabot for westward exploration before Columbus ever left Spain for the New World.WestTexasCrude wrote: ↑Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:18 pm In answer to spudoc's comments, the British by the 1520-1550's were playing major catch up. Spain had already sailed all around the globe and the Portuguese were already making the Indian Ocean their "lake". There is no surprise that so many place names in the E US and Canada (Hudson River, Hudson Bay, etc) have British explorer names. Cut off from rounding either S passages, they were looking for a NW (over Canada) passage and later NE (Over Eurasia) passage. Anything to get them to China, Spice Islands and the riches of the East. Spent lots of time, money and energy for 200 years to find no passage either way.
This is where you implied superior tech.
Ironically, as you are pushing Spain as the leader in tech at the time you bring up the last major sea battle fought with galley ships. That was led by Spain on the Christian side.
You're starting to chase your tail like some kind of retarded dog.WestTexasCrude wrote: ↑Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:36 amGood Lord. It's so damn simple. Open ocean- wind and tides- sails/ Mediterranean- not.spudoc wrote: ↑Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:25 am"Good lord AH. If you actually believe all of Europe had this ocean tech in the 1490's, you are either naive or an idiot. Probably both. Vast majority of every body else was doing the slave oared galleys from Roman times.And did for another 300 years-ie Battle of Lapanto."WestTexasCrude wrote: ↑Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:14 amI never stated Spain had superior tech. It was the Portuguese that actually spent decades under Henry the Navigator during the 1400's finding the S tip of Africa to get to India that perfected the caravel. Spain, English and later French and Dutch copied it. It could sail somewhat into the wind. And everybody is forgetting in the 1490's, every country of W Europe was deeply religious and "Catholic". The Pope was considered the ruler over all the Monarch's of the World. Thus the papal bull (inter caetera) of 1493 that divided the World between Spain and Portugal. Right down to dividing lines Atlantic and Pacific. Threatened excommunication to any Monarch that defied it. Led to to Henry VIII and Martin Luther reformation and the Break.spudoc wrote: ↑Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:31 pmYou stated that Spain had superior sailing technology compared to the rest of Europe and that is just flat wrong. The English landed in North America just 5 years after Columbus. They didn't't row there. The Brits had already contracted with John Cabot for westward exploration before Columbus ever left Spain for the New World.WestTexasCrude wrote: ↑Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:18 pm In answer to spudoc's comments, the British by the 1520-1550's were playing major catch up. Spain had already sailed all around the globe and the Portuguese were already making the Indian Ocean their "lake". There is no surprise that so many place names in the E US and Canada (Hudson River, Hudson Bay, etc) have British explorer names. Cut off from rounding either S passages, they were looking for a NW (over Canada) passage and later NE (Over Eurasia) passage. Anything to get them to China, Spice Islands and the riches of the East. Spent lots of time, money and energy for 200 years to find no passage either way.
This is where you implied superior tech.
Ironically, as you are pushing Spain as the leader in tech at the time you bring up the last major sea battle fought with galley ships. That was led by Spain on the Christian side.