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captquint wrote: ↑Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:34 am

FreakShowFanatic wrote: ↑Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:54 am

captquint wrote: ↑Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:34 am

It was a very poignant and sincere post but you're right, that tired fuck Third Shit is a loser and I should have never wasted my time with him Quint. You're another person I shouldn't waste my time with you short fucking ugly loser.

captquint wrote: ↑Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:57 am

FreakShowFanatic wrote: ↑Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:54 am

captquint wrote: ↑Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:34 am

It was a very poignant and sincere post but you're right, that tired fuck Third Shit is a loser and I should have never wasted my time with him Quint. You're another person I shouldn't waste my time with you short fucking ugly loser.

By all means, never say my name or address me again. That would be outstanding. You can't keep my name out your 13 mouths, punk

WestTexasCrude wrote: ↑Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:18 pm In answer to spudoc's comments, the British by the 1520-1550's were playing major catch up. Spain had already sailed all around the globe and the Portuguese were already making the Indian Ocean their "lake". There is no surprise that so many place names in the E US and Canada (Hudson River, Hudson Bay, etc) have British explorer names. Cut off from rounding either S passages, they were looking for a NW (over Canada) passage and later NE (Over Eurasia) passage. Anything to get them to China, Spice Islands and the riches of the East. Spent lots of time, money and energy for 200 years to find no passage either way.

Flumper wrote: ↑Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:45 pm regardless of your thoughts on the matter, you have to admit that for columbus to invent a large boat with sails on it, at a time when that was simply not feasible, was quite a moment in history.

analhamster wrote: ↑Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:09 am

Flumper wrote: ↑Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:45 pm regardless of your thoughts on the matter, you have to admit that for columbus to invent a large boat with sails on it, at a time when that was simply not feasible, was quite a moment in history.

Everyone had the sails, I think Columbus's real breakthrough was the outboard motor.

analhamster wrote: ↑Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:09 am

Flumper wrote: ↑Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:45 pm regardless of your thoughts on the matter, you have to admit that for columbus to invent a large boat with sails on it, at a time when that was simply not feasible, was quite a moment in history.

Everyone had the sails, I think Columbus's real breakthrough was the outboard motor.

Flumper wrote: ↑Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:12 am

analhamster wrote: ↑Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:09 am

Flumper wrote: ↑Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:45 pm regardless of your thoughts on the matter, you have to admit that for columbus to invent a large boat with sails on it, at a time when that was simply not feasible, was quite a moment in history.

Everyone had the sails, I think Columbus's real breakthrough was the outboard motor.

Most people don't know that Columbus' middle name was Evinrude.

spudoc wrote: ↑Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:31 pm

WestTexasCrude wrote: ↑Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:18 pm In answer to spudoc's comments, the British by the 1520-1550's were playing major catch up. Spain had already sailed all around the globe and the Portuguese were already making the Indian Ocean their "lake". There is no surprise that so many place names in the E US and Canada (Hudson River, Hudson Bay, etc) have British explorer names. Cut off from rounding either S passages, they were looking for a NW (over Canada) passage and later NE (Over Eurasia) passage. Anything to get them to China, Spice Islands and the riches of the East. Spent lots of time, money and energy for 200 years to find no passage either way.

You stated that Spain had superior sailing technology compared to the rest of Europe and that is just flat wrong. The English landed in North America just 5 years after Columbus. They didn't't row there. The Brits had already contracted with John Cabot for westward exploration before Columbus ever left Spain for the New World.

analhamster wrote: ↑Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:39 pm WTC tends to do this when he's caught pretending to be an expert on something, he just doubles down and starts pulling shit from his ass. There was no distinction in technology between Western European naval powers at that point because it was a pretty open area in terms of trade, information and technology. People with the knowledge travelled between countries, and the wars and skirmishes that broke out every few years resulted in ships built in one country being captured by another. There was no secret naval technology possessed only by spain.

WestTexasCrude wrote: ↑Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:18 am

analhamster wrote: ↑Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:39 pm WTC tends to do this when he's caught pretending to be an expert on something, he just doubles down and starts pulling shit from his ass. There was no distinction in technology between Western European naval powers at that point because it was a pretty open area in terms of trade, information and technology. People with the knowledge travelled between countries, and the wars and skirmishes that broke out every few years resulted in ships built in one country being captured by another. There was no secret naval technology possessed only by spain.

Son. I've forgotten more history in my entire life than you will ever learn in yours.

WestTexasCrude wrote: ↑Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:14 am

spudoc wrote: ↑Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:31 pm

WestTexasCrude wrote: ↑Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:18 pm In answer to spudoc's comments, the British by the 1520-1550's were playing major catch up. Spain had already sailed all around the globe and the Portuguese were already making the Indian Ocean their "lake". There is no surprise that so many place names in the E US and Canada (Hudson River, Hudson Bay, etc) have British explorer names. Cut off from rounding either S passages, they were looking for a NW (over Canada) passage and later NE (Over Eurasia) passage. Anything to get them to China, Spice Islands and the riches of the East. Spent lots of time, money and energy for 200 years to find no passage either way.

You stated that Spain had superior sailing technology compared to the rest of Europe and that is just flat wrong. The English landed in North America just 5 years after Columbus. They didn't't row there. The Brits had already contracted with John Cabot for westward exploration before Columbus ever left Spain for the New World.

I never stated Spain had superior tech. It was the Portuguese that actually spent decades under Henry the Navigator during the 1400's finding the S tip of Africa to get to India that perfected the caravel. Spain, English and later French and Dutch copied it. It could sail somewhat into the wind. And everybody is forgetting in the 1490's, every country of W Europe was deeply religious and "Catholic". The Pope was considered the ruler over all the Monarch's of the World. Thus the papal bull (inter caetera) of 1493 that divided the World between Spain and Portugal. Right down to dividing lines Atlantic and Pacific. Threatened excommunication to any Monarch that defied it. Led to to Henry VIII and Martin Luther reformation and the Break.

analhamster wrote: ↑Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:22 am

WestTexasCrude wrote: ↑Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:18 am

analhamster wrote: ↑Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:39 pm WTC tends to do this when he's caught pretending to be an expert on something, he just doubles down and starts pulling shit from his ass. There was no distinction in technology between Western European naval powers at that point because it was a pretty open area in terms of trade, information and technology. People with the knowledge travelled between countries, and the wars and skirmishes that broke out every few years resulted in ships built in one country being captured by another. There was no secret naval technology possessed only by spain.

Son. I've forgotten more history in my entire life than you will ever learn in yours.

I can learn more history in the next 60 seconds than your inferior neurological infrastructure can retain with a lifetime of training. You reliably humiliate yourself every single time you try to appear knowledgeable on any topic.

spudoc wrote: ↑Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:25 am

WestTexasCrude wrote: ↑Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:14 am

spudoc wrote: ↑Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:31 pm

WestTexasCrude wrote: ↑Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:18 pm In answer to spudoc's comments, the British by the 1520-1550's were playing major catch up. Spain had already sailed all around the globe and the Portuguese were already making the Indian Ocean their "lake". There is no surprise that so many place names in the E US and Canada (Hudson River, Hudson Bay, etc) have British explorer names. Cut off from rounding either S passages, they were looking for a NW (over Canada) passage and later NE (Over Eurasia) passage. Anything to get them to China, Spice Islands and the riches of the East. Spent lots of time, money and energy for 200 years to find no passage either way.

You stated that Spain had superior sailing technology compared to the rest of Europe and that is just flat wrong. The English landed in North America just 5 years after Columbus. They didn't't row there. The Brits had already contracted with John Cabot for westward exploration before Columbus ever left Spain for the New World.

I never stated Spain had superior tech. It was the Portuguese that actually spent decades under Henry the Navigator during the 1400's finding the S tip of Africa to get to India that perfected the caravel. Spain, English and later French and Dutch copied it. It could sail somewhat into the wind. And everybody is forgetting in the 1490's, every country of W Europe was deeply religious and "Catholic". The Pope was considered the ruler over all the Monarch's of the World. Thus the papal bull (inter caetera) of 1493 that divided the World between Spain and Portugal. Right down to dividing lines Atlantic and Pacific. Threatened excommunication to any Monarch that defied it. Led to to Henry VIII and Martin Luther reformation and the Break.

"Good lord AH. If you actually believe all of Europe had this ocean tech in the 1490's, you are either naive or an idiot. Probably both. Vast majority of every body else was doing the slave oared galleys from Roman times.And did for another 300 years-ie Battle of Lapanto."
This is where you implied superior tech.
Ironically, as you are pushing Spain as the leader in tech at the time you bring up the last major sea battle fought with galley ships. That was led by Spain on the Christian side.

captquint wrote: ↑Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:32 am This is a strange forum, one person desperately trying convince us of his wealth and the other his intelligence

WestTexasCrude wrote: ↑Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:36 am

spudoc wrote: ↑Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:25 am

WestTexasCrude wrote: ↑Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:14 am

spudoc wrote: ↑Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:31 pm

WestTexasCrude wrote: ↑Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:18 pm In answer to spudoc's comments, the British by the 1520-1550's were playing major catch up. Spain had already sailed all around the globe and the Portuguese were already making the Indian Ocean their "lake". There is no surprise that so many place names in the E US and Canada (Hudson River, Hudson Bay, etc) have British explorer names. Cut off from rounding either S passages, they were looking for a NW (over Canada) passage and later NE (Over Eurasia) passage. Anything to get them to China, Spice Islands and the riches of the East. Spent lots of time, money and energy for 200 years to find no passage either way.

You stated that Spain had superior sailing technology compared to the rest of Europe and that is just flat wrong. The English landed in North America just 5 years after Columbus. They didn't't row there. The Brits had already contracted with John Cabot for westward exploration before Columbus ever left Spain for the New World.

I never stated Spain had superior tech. It was the Portuguese that actually spent decades under Henry the Navigator during the 1400's finding the S tip of Africa to get to India that perfected the caravel. Spain, English and later French and Dutch copied it. It could sail somewhat into the wind. And everybody is forgetting in the 1490's, every country of W Europe was deeply religious and "Catholic". The Pope was considered the ruler over all the Monarch's of the World. Thus the papal bull (inter caetera) of 1493 that divided the World between Spain and Portugal. Right down to dividing lines Atlantic and Pacific. Threatened excommunication to any Monarch that defied it. Led to to Henry VIII and Martin Luther reformation and the Break.

"Good lord AH. If you actually believe all of Europe had this ocean tech in the 1490's, you are either naive or an idiot. Probably both. Vast majority of every body else was doing the slave oared galleys from Roman times.And did for another 300 years-ie Battle of Lapanto."
This is where you implied superior tech.
Ironically, as you are pushing Spain as the leader in tech at the time you bring up the last major sea battle fought with galley ships. That was led by Spain on the Christian side.

Good Lord. It's so damn simple. Open ocean- wind and tides- sails/ Mediterranean- not.