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OK, I wasn't going to post anything but couldn't resist. I get most everybody's argument about organized religion. I'm taking this off on tangent. I consider myself an agnostic. Haven't attended church in years, probably count the number of times I've attended in the last 15 years on both hands. That said, I think everybody is focused on the Metaphysical part while overlooking the way more important issue. The entire Western World civilization for 1,500 years has been based on Christian principles (Both good and bad). I'm thinking like most, when I attended Church (What? 1 maybe 11/2 hour out of your week),you don't leave thinking "God is real, JC is alive" or any of that hallelujah bs. You leave with the main message being go forth, be moral in your dealings with others, love your fellow man, help your neighbors, you get the drift. You actually walk out feeling kind of uplifted in a way. So, I guess we can all feel in the US and W Europe that the wheels of our civilizations are starting to get pretty wobbly, close to breaking down. Has anyone considered it may be partially due to our turning our back on our Christian heritage? My 2 cents.
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that is actually pretty insightful. nice work.CentralTexasCrude wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 12:00 am OK, I wasn't going to post anything but couldn't resist. I get most everybody's argument about organized religion. I'm taking this off on tangent. I consider myself an agnostic. Haven't attended church in years, probably count the number of times I've attended in the last 15 years on both hands. That said, I think everybody is focused on the Metaphysical part while overlooking the way more important issue. The entire Western World civilization for 1,500 years has been based on Christian principles (Both good and bad). I'm thinking like most, when I attended Church (What? 1 maybe 11/2 hour out of your week),you don't leave thinking "God is real, JC is alive" or any of that hallelujah bs. You leave with the main message being go forth, be moral in your dealings with others, love your fellow man, help your neighbors, you get the drift. You actually walk out feeling kind of uplifted in a way. So, I guess we can all feel in the US and W Europe that the wheels of our civilizations are starting to get pretty wobbly, close to breaking down. Has anyone considered it may be partially due to our turning our back on our Christian heritage? My 2 cents.
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Most WTC thing you've ever said. CongratsCentralTexasCrude wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 12:00 am Has anyone considered it may be partially due to our turning our back on our Christian heritage? My 2 cents.
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our Christian heritage?
Is he speaking for others again?
He hates when he does that
Is he speaking for others again?
He hates when he does that
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Was TL;DRdisco.moon wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 12:05 amNo.CentralTexasCrude wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 12:00 am OK, I wasn't going to post anything but couldn't resist. I get most everybody's argument about organized religion. I'm taking this off on tangent. I consider myself an agnostic. Haven't attended church in years, probably count the number of times I've attended in the last 15 years on both hands. That said, I think everybody is focused on the Metaphysical part while overlooking the way more important issue. The entire Western World civilization for 1,500 years has been based on Christian principles (Both good and bad). I'm thinking like most, when I attended Church (What? 1 maybe 11/2 hour out of your week),you don't leave thinking "God is real, JC is alive" or any of that hallelujah bs. You leave with the main message being go forth, be moral in your dealings with others, love your fellow man, help your neighbors, you get the drift. You actually walk out feeling kind of uplifted in a way. So, I guess we can all feel in the US and W Europe that the wheels of our civilizations are starting to get pretty wobbly, close to breaking down. Has anyone considered it may be partially due to our turning our back on our Christian heritage? My 2 cents.
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Those are just basic good morals, nothing at all Christian to them. Those same morals are found in other religions, even ones predating Christianity. But you don't have to have any religion at all to understand why those basic morals work. You don't want to be harmed but made happy, so do that for other people, who in turn should be willing to return the sentiment. Being honest and fair is easier than being a liar and disinterested. It all makes for a simple life.CentralTexasCrude wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 12:00 am OK, I wasn't going to post anything but couldn't resist. I get most everybody's argument about organized religion. I'm taking this off on tangent. I consider myself an agnostic. Haven't attended church in years, probably count the number of times I've attended in the last 15 years on both hands. That said, I think everybody is focused on the Metaphysical part while overlooking the way more important issue. The entire Western World civilization for 1,500 years has been based on Christian principles (Both good and bad). I'm thinking like most, when I attended Church (What? 1 maybe 11/2 hour out of your week),you don't leave thinking "God is real, JC is alive" or any of that hallelujah bs. You leave with the main message being go forth, be moral in your dealings with others, love your fellow man, help your neighbors, you get the drift. You actually walk out feeling kind of uplifted in a way. So, I guess we can all feel in the US and W Europe that the wheels of our civilizations are starting to get pretty wobbly, close to breaking down. Has anyone considered it may be partially due to our turning our back on our Christian heritage? My 2 cents.
I leave a Sikh gurdwara much more uplifted than any Christian service. For one, no Sikh has ever questioned my atheism in attending. I shudder to think about attending a conservative non-denominational Christian service as an atheist.
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I was friendly with a Lutheran Pastor for years before he passed. He never once asked me about my views or asked where I went to church. He was a nice man.QillerDaemon wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 12:39 amThose are just basic good morals, nothing at all Christian to them. Those same morals are found in other religions, even ones predating Christianity. But you don't have to have any religion at all to understand why those basic morals work. You don't want to be harmed but made happy, so do that for other people, who in turn should be willing to return the sentiment. Being honest and fair is easier than being a liar and disinterested. It all makes for a simple life.CentralTexasCrude wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 12:00 am OK, I wasn't going to post anything but couldn't resist. I get most everybody's argument about organized religion. I'm taking this off on tangent. I consider myself an agnostic. Haven't attended church in years, probably count the number of times I've attended in the last 15 years on both hands. That said, I think everybody is focused on the Metaphysical part while overlooking the way more important issue. The entire Western World civilization for 1,500 years has been based on Christian principles (Both good and bad). I'm thinking like most, when I attended Church (What? 1 maybe 11/2 hour out of your week),you don't leave thinking "God is real, JC is alive" or any of that hallelujah bs. You leave with the main message being go forth, be moral in your dealings with others, love your fellow man, help your neighbors, you get the drift. You actually walk out feeling kind of uplifted in a way. So, I guess we can all feel in the US and W Europe that the wheels of our civilizations are starting to get pretty wobbly, close to breaking down. Has anyone considered it may be partially due to our turning our back on our Christian heritage? My 2 cents.
I leave a Sikh gurdwara much more uplifted than any Christian service. For one, no Sikh has ever questioned my atheism in attending. I shudder to think about attending a conservative non-denominational Christian service as an atheist.
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that's the point that he's making.QillerDaemon wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 12:39 am
Those are just basic good morals, nothing at all Christian to them.
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Has anyone considered it may be partially due to our turning our back on our Christian heritage?
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I mean to me, watching the whole thing unfold over the last few decades, there are many other things involved, of course. But it seems to me whether you agree or disagree with the Christian concept, it's the basic "glue" that has allowed our civilization and our ancestors to flourish for Centuries. "Love your neighbor"- does hardly anyone know their neighbor anymore sitting behind locked doors on our devices. "Honor thy Father and thy Mother"-how is a kid supposed to do that when he only has visitation rights (usually) with the former 4 days a month. I think you get my drift. I'm Protestant but I remember the Boston Catholic community getting mocked for decades in their effort to hold back the tide of Hollywood subversion, pornography, etc. When asked why they were putting up such a fight against modernity, their answer was usually "This stuff will kill the family unit from within". So, 30-40 years later, who was right?Animal wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 12:23 amthat is actually pretty insightful. nice work.CentralTexasCrude wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 12:00 am OK, I wasn't going to post anything but couldn't resist. I get most everybody's argument about organized religion. I'm taking this off on tangent. I consider myself an agnostic. Haven't attended church in years, probably count the number of times I've attended in the last 15 years on both hands. That said, I think everybody is focused on the Metaphysical part while overlooking the way more important issue. The entire Western World civilization for 1,500 years has been based on Christian principles (Both good and bad). I'm thinking like most, when I attended Church (What? 1 maybe 11/2 hour out of your week),you don't leave thinking "God is real, JC is alive" or any of that hallelujah bs. You leave with the main message being go forth, be moral in your dealings with others, love your fellow man, help your neighbors, you get the drift. You actually walk out feeling kind of uplifted in a way. So, I guess we can all feel in the US and W Europe that the wheels of our civilizations are starting to get pretty wobbly, close to breaking down. Has anyone considered it may be partially due to our turning our back on our Christian heritage? My 2 cents.
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I'm so sorry WTC, was it your pornography habit that destroyed your family?CentralTexasCrude wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 12:53 amI mean to me, watching the whole thing unfold over the last few decades, there are many other things involved, of course. But it seems to me whether you agree or disagree with the Christian concept, it's the basic "glue" that has allowed our civilization and our ancestors to flourish for Centuries. "Love your neighbor"- does hardly anyone know their neighbor anymore sitting behind locked doors on our devices. "Honor thy Father and thy Mother"-how is a kid supposed to do that when he only has visitation rights (usually) with the former 4 days a month. I think you get my drift. I'm Protestant but I remember the Boston Catholic community getting mocked for decades in their effort to hold back the tide of Hollywood subversion, pornography, etc. When asked why they were putting up such a fight against modernity, their answer was usually "This stuff will kill the family unit from within". So, 30-40 years later, who was right?Animal wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 12:23 amthat is actually pretty insightful. nice work.CentralTexasCrude wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 12:00 am OK, I wasn't going to post anything but couldn't resist. I get most everybody's argument about organized religion. I'm taking this off on tangent. I consider myself an agnostic. Haven't attended church in years, probably count the number of times I've attended in the last 15 years on both hands. That said, I think everybody is focused on the Metaphysical part while overlooking the way more important issue. The entire Western World civilization for 1,500 years has been based on Christian principles (Both good and bad). I'm thinking like most, when I attended Church (What? 1 maybe 11/2 hour out of your week),you don't leave thinking "God is real, JC is alive" or any of that hallelujah bs. You leave with the main message being go forth, be moral in your dealings with others, love your fellow man, help your neighbors, you get the drift. You actually walk out feeling kind of uplifted in a way. So, I guess we can all feel in the US and W Europe that the wheels of our civilizations are starting to get pretty wobbly, close to breaking down. Has anyone considered it may be partially due to our turning our back on our Christian heritage? My 2 cents.
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Last rant and I'll let this be. Look back 500+ years at every "world shaking" new technology. Printing presses- well hell, you know someone would start printing lewd stuff. Photography- naked women in provocative poses. Movies- same just in moving form. All the rest since. Kept off to the side- doesn't hurt anything civilization wise. Now the Internet. Millions of unsupervised 10 year year olds worldwide can watch from the comfort of their bedrooms videos of people, even babies getting killed, mutilated for their viewing enjoyment. Absolutely soul crushing. Is this the "progress" we thought this technology would give us? I'm out.
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babies getting killed, mutilated for their viewing enjoyment
What is this nonsense?
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Islam could solve this problemCentralTexasCrude wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 1:36 am Last rant and I'll let this be. Look back 500+ years at every "world shaking" new technology. Printing presses- well hell, you know someone would start printing lewd stuff. Photography- naked women in provocative poses. Movies- same just in moving form. All the rest since. Kept off to the side- doesn't hurt anything civilization wise. Now the Internet. Millions of unsupervised 10 year year olds worldwide can watch from the comfort of their bedrooms videos of people, even babies getting killed, mutilated for their viewing enjoyment. Absolutely soul crushing. Is this the "progress" we thought this technology would give us? I'm out.
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CentralTexasCrude wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 12:00 am OK, I wasn't going to post anything but couldn't resist. I get most everybody's argument about organized religion. I'm taking this off on tangent. I consider myself an agnostic. Haven't attended church in years, probably count the number of times I've attended in the last 15 years on both hands. That said, I think everybody is focused on the Metaphysical part while overlooking the way more important issue. The entire Western World civilization for 1,500 years has been based on Christian principles (Both good and bad). I'm thinking like most, when I attended Church (What? 1 maybe 11/2 hour out of your week),you don't leave thinking "God is real, JC is alive" or any of that hallelujah bs. You leave with the main message being go forth, be moral in your dealings with others, love your fellow man, help your neighbors, you get the drift. You actually walk out feeling kind of uplifted in a way. So, I guess we can all feel in the US and W Europe that the wheels of our civilizations are starting to get pretty wobbly, close to breaking down. Has anyone considered it may be partially due to our turning our back on our Christian heritage? My 2 cents.
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I've worked with some religious guys thru out the years.Some of them were more like religious on sunday type people,the other 6 days,what ever worked best for them. We had a guy running the place one time like that. I think it was around the time hustler magazine came out and one of the guys bought an issue to work. The guys were looking at it and the boss comes over to see what the guys were looking at. He goes into a tirade "that filth has no place in a shop I'm running,blahblah blah" And after the long speech he says "turn back 2 pages". Another time he came to the shop for something (he had his own shop by this time) and I was doing some pretty "touchy" machining on a mill so I was bent over and really concentrating on what I was doing as he walked by me he stuck a pen in my ass. I had clothes on,of course,but the fabric of my underwear and pants went into my ass. It startled the hell out of me and he just said "excuse me". I guess god loved him (or maybe he didn't). He started parachuting and on one jump his parachute malfunctioned and I've heard different stories,some is it opened and was slowing him down but nowhere near enough,other versions it didn't open until he was at 100 foot or some such shit. He lived thru it. It broke all his teeth off,didn't knock them out,just broke them off,and broke a mess of bones. He came and saw my dad a few years after that happened and they were in the office for quite a while. I asked my dad what was up and he said" aw he's maxed out his health insurance and can't urinate....he asked me if I could help him out someway but I told him there wasn't anything I could do" But knowing my dad,he probably wrote him a check.
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Ah yes, the ol' "quart low!" joke. Run your finger up the pantsed ass crack of some unsuspecting victim and loudly say "you're a quart low!" Then proceed to pick your nose and eat coffee cake with that same unwashed finger. Real popular with the WW2 set, who defeated the Krauts and Japs with this popular joke.
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Well That's what the people of the south miss, They want to do those things. They feel cheated they missed out.disco.moon wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 3:18 pmYeah our heritage of such wonderful loving Christianity, like the Good ole days where women were set on fire for knowing math or being able to float lol. Folks were more scared of those women than the fools burning them alive. Or the good Christians that made Indians convert and change their names to John. Christian heritage is disgusting. Or the churches that excommunicate people for divorce?
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Most religions actually say it is not about being a good person but more about a belief in God.
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