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These big hacking cases seem to be growing every day. I heard right now there are over 2,000 every day. And it appears that no matter what measures are taken to prevent it the hackers are one step ahead of the game. They almost seem to operate with no regard to being caught. The fact that they have even come up with a way to be paid that leaves no paper trail, is amazing.

No more leaving unmarked bills in a paper bag behind a tree. Now its just send some bit coins to some unknown wallet (or however its done).

Can the internet be re-created or has anyone heard of steps that can be taken to make it less vulnerable while also allowing interactive communication?
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My company got hit. It has been a very painful recovery.
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We got hit as well a few months back, and we are a tech company. Our recovery was not too bad but we did lose some things like old emails.
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hawkfan8812 wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 8:02 pm We got hit as well a few months back, and we are a tech company. Our recovery was not too bad but we did lose some things like old emails.
was it a ransom ware type attack? I mean, did you have to pay a hacker to unlock it?
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Animal wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 8:07 pm
hawkfan8812 wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 8:02 pm We got hit as well a few months back, and we are a tech company. Our recovery was not too bad but we did lose some things like old emails.
was it a ransom ware type attack? I mean, did you have to pay a hacker to unlock it?

The city of Riviera Beach which is not too far from me had to pay $600,000 to get their computers unlocked from hackers
I blame Biker.
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Stapes wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 8:38 pm
Animal wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 8:07 pm
hawkfan8812 wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 8:02 pm We got hit as well a few months back, and we are a tech company. Our recovery was not too bad but we did lose some things like old emails.
was it a ransom ware type attack? I mean, did you have to pay a hacker to unlock it?

The city of Riviera Beach which is not too far from me had to pay $600,000 to get their computers unlocked from hackers
its really kind of hard to believe that this is going on this much and we don't hear more about the need to solve it. I can't even imagine a city paying $600k for that. That's enough to fund a big bond program for an infrastructure package in a medium to small city.
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If only we had a military to fight for our corporate interests
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Animal wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 8:07 pm
hawkfan8812 wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 8:02 pm We got hit as well a few months back, and we are a tech company. Our recovery was not too bad but we did lose some things like old emails.
was it a ransom ware type attack? I mean, did you have to pay a hacker to unlock it?
It was a ransomware attack, and we did not pay, our IT folks just rebuilt our shit from backups.
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I could go for another "fappening" type hack again. These hackers should at least give the world some joy to make up for their asshattery.
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Jennifer Lawrence nudes were a gift from the lord at the time
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I already told my company's story of being hit by a ransomware attack. We did not pay. Since our data is held on a very special type of hardware isolated from normal operations, we did not lose our "gold" (patient data work product). We did lose operation of a lot of individual workstations and laptops. We generally do not have any real specialty hardware facing open networks, it's all generic stuff, easy to rebuild. We have not been successfully attacked since.
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QillerDaemon wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 9:22 pm I already told my company's story of being hit by a ransomware attack. We did not pay. Since our data is held on a very special type of hardware isolated from normal operations, we did not lose our "gold" (patient data work product). We did lose operation of a lot of individual workstations and laptops. We generally do not have any real specialty hardware facing open networks, it's all generic stuff, easy to rebuild. We have not been successfully attacked since.
What was their angle of approach?
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Geist wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 9:26 pm
QillerDaemon wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 9:22 pm I already told my company's story of being hit by a ransomware attack. We did not pay. Since our data is held on a very special type of hardware isolated from normal operations, we did not lose our "gold" (patient data work product). We did lose operation of a lot of individual workstations and laptops. We generally do not have any real specialty hardware facing open networks, it's all generic stuff, easy to rebuild. We have not been successfully attacked since.
What was their angle of approach?
I don't know exactly 100%, but my understanding was that it was a loaded email that someone got late on a Sunday evening. Innocently opened, and within a few hours it had spread thru-out our email system and had been reopened a few thousand times by the time I heard about the problem on Monday afternoon. Simply opening the email program started the malware and took over the workstation within our network system. Since I had been out that morning and only came into the office to help out my co-worker, my own workstation did not get infected. People who worked at home and opened their email did not get hit.
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QillerDaemon wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 9:36 pm
Geist wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 9:26 pm
QillerDaemon wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 9:22 pm I already told my company's story of being hit by a ransomware attack. We did not pay. Since our data is held on a very special type of hardware isolated from normal operations, we did not lose our "gold" (patient data work product). We did lose operation of a lot of individual workstations and laptops. We generally do not have any real specialty hardware facing open networks, it's all generic stuff, easy to rebuild. We have not been successfully attacked since.
What was their angle of approach?
I don't know exactly 100%, but my understanding was that it was a loaded email that someone got late on a Sunday evening. Innocently opened, and within a few hours it had spread thru-out our email system and had been reopened a few thousand times by the time I heard about the problem on Monday afternoon. Simply opening the email program started the malware and took over the workstation within our network system. Since I had been out that morning and only came into the office to help out my co-worker, my own workstation did not get infected. People who worked at home and opened their email did not get hit.
When you say opened, do you mean simply opening the email in Outlook or whatever, or opening an attachment/link?
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Animal wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 8:07 pm
hawkfan8812 wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 8:02 pm We got hit as well a few months back, and we are a tech company. Our recovery was not too bad but we did lose some things like old emails.
was it a ransom ware type attack? I mean, did you have to pay a hacker to unlock it?

Ours was ransomware. They had us by the balls and we still haven’t totally recovered. We paid but I am not sure how much. Our IT folks are fucking idiots.
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Geist wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 9:26 pm
QillerDaemon wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 9:22 pm I already told my company's story of being hit by a ransomware attack. We did not pay. Since our data is held on a very special type of hardware isolated from normal operations, we did not lose our "gold" (patient data work product). We did lose operation of a lot of individual workstations and laptops. We generally do not have any real specialty hardware facing open networks, it's all generic stuff, easy to rebuild. We have not been successfully attacked since.
What was their angle of approach?
Straight up the ass with my company.
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Whackov wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 9:54 pm
Geist wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 9:26 pm
QillerDaemon wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 9:22 pm I already told my company's story of being hit by a ransomware attack. We did not pay. Since our data is held on a very special type of hardware isolated from normal operations, we did not lose our "gold" (patient data work product). We did lose operation of a lot of individual workstations and laptops. We generally do not have any real specialty hardware facing open networks, it's all generic stuff, easy to rebuild. We have not been successfully attacked since.
What was their angle of approach?
Straight up the ass with my company.
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Geist wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 9:40 pm When you say opened, do you mean simply opening the email in Outlook or whatever, or opening an attachment/link?
Again, we weren't told exactly, like how the local paper doesn't like to tell how the burglar disabled a house alarm. There was some suspicion that it was in a small part at least that it involved someone inside the network. But from all the special training we've gotten since, a bunch of it is warnings against clicking unknown links ("If the link involves company.com, the link should come back as company.com"), we think someone (or a few someones) clicked a bad link, less possibly clicked a bad attachment. Then (again, somehow), it spread over our email setup. Some folks on the third shift weren't paying attention, *boom!*
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disco.moon wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 9:18 pm
CHEEZY17 wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 9:14 pm I could go for another "fappening" type hack again. These hackers should at least give the world some joy to make up for their asshattery.
Why? There's plenty of pictures of naked women who give their consent to pictures nowdays. :D
...forbidden fruit and all that?
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Stapes wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 9:19 pm Jennifer Lawrence nudes were a gift from the lord at the time
That really was a glorious couple of days.
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Animal wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 8:48 pm
Stapes wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 8:38 pm
Animal wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 8:07 pm
hawkfan8812 wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 8:02 pm We got hit as well a few months back, and we are a tech company. Our recovery was not too bad but we did lose some things like old emails.
was it a ransom ware type attack? I mean, did you have to pay a hacker to unlock it?

The city of Riviera Beach which is not too far from me had to pay $600,000 to get their computers unlocked from hackers
its really kind of hard to believe that this is going on this much and we don't hear more about the need to solve it. I can't even imagine a city paying $600k for that. That's enough to fund a big bond program for an infrastructure package in a medium to small city.
well,If you knew the history of Riviera bch. it wouldn't surprise you. The collective IQ of the mayor and commissioners would barely break triple digits. the tax payers on Singer island paid that ransom, they are 10% of the city area but provide 90% of tax funds.Riviera is known for 2 things being a ghetto and corruption.
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fouts wrote: Wed Jul 21, 2021 1:35 pm
Animal wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 8:48 pm
Stapes wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 8:38 pm
Animal wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 8:07 pm
hawkfan8812 wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 8:02 pm We got hit as well a few months back, and we are a tech company. Our recovery was not too bad but we did lose some things like old emails.
was it a ransom ware type attack? I mean, did you have to pay a hacker to unlock it?

The city of Riviera Beach which is not too far from me had to pay $600,000 to get their computers unlocked from hackers
its really kind of hard to believe that this is going on this much and we don't hear more about the need to solve it. I can't even imagine a city paying $600k for that. That's enough to fund a big bond program for an infrastructure package in a medium to small city.
well,If you knew the history of Riviera bch. it wouldn't surprise you. The collective IQ of the mayor and commissioners would barely break triple digits. the tax payers on Singer island paid that ransom, they are 10% of the city area but provide 90% of tax funds.Riviera is known for 2 things being a ghetto and corruption.
Damn, the population of that whole town is only 32,000. That's insane.
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disco.moon wrote: Wed Jul 21, 2021 1:47 pm I work for giant medical facilities and one of the first things they warn of is "phishing emails". Not the awesome jam band. So they will send out test emails to see if the employees clicked the link, then one has to go through the training and sign all kinds of paperwork again. My strategy, do not check work emails. ;)
My company does that too. Lot of fucking good that did.
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No, because there are too many gullible people.
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necronomous wrote: Wed Jul 21, 2021 2:54 pm No, because there are too many gullible people.
Well its one thing to send an email and pretend you are a Nigerian prince and need someone to wire you $5,000 so you can transfer $2 billion into their account. That's not hacking.

Or outsmarting someone into giving you their bank information or SSN. I know that kind of stuff will always happen. I just wonder if the internet can ever be redesigned so that it can be locked and no one can open the lock unless you want them to.
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