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Oregon GOP on the run
They've lost the debate, lost the vote, so they have literally run away to thwart the legislative process
The GOP senators are in hiding because their only option is to prevent there being a quorum. The governor has asked the state police to track them down and bring them to work, and pointed out she'll just call a special session if they stay in hiding until the session ends in a few days. Democracy in action
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/24/us/o ... e=Homepage
See, this kind of shit is why I enjoy 'Murican politics so much, you are literally playing hide n' seek with state senators
The GOP senators are in hiding because their only option is to prevent there being a quorum. The governor has asked the state police to track them down and bring them to work, and pointed out she'll just call a special session if they stay in hiding until the session ends in a few days. Democracy in action
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/24/us/o ... e=Homepage
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I basically covered it, the gop oppose a climate bill that will pass if there is a vote because it's what most of the people of Oregon and most of their elected representatives want. So the gop solution has been for all their state senators to literally run away and hide. Can't have a vote without a quorum. They are hiding from the state police right now, whose task is to track them down and take them to work.Reservoir Dog wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 9:54 pm Give us the rundown. I'm not going to pay $$$ to read the article.
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Re: Oregon GOP on the run
Was it Wisconsin democrats that did that a few years ago? Or was it Minestrone democrats?AnalHamster wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 9:47 pm They've lost the debate, lost the vote, so they have literally run away to thwart the legislative process
The GOP senators are in hiding because their only option is to prevent there being a quorum. The governor has asked the state police to track them down and bring them to work, and pointed out she'll just call a special session if they stay in hiding until the session ends in a few days. Democracy in action
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/24/us/o ... e=Homepage
See, this kind of shit is why I enjoy 'Murican politics so much, you are literally playing hide n' seek with state senators
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They can't get them if they're out of state. No jurisdiction.AnalHamster wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 10:12 pmI basically covered it, the gop oppose a climate bill that will pass if there is a vote because it's what most of the people of Oregon and most of their elected representatives want. So the gop solution has been for all their state sensors to literally run away and hide. Can't have a vote without a quorum. They are hiding from the state police right now, whose task is to track them down and take them to work.Reservoir Dog wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 9:54 pm Give us the rundown. I'm not going to pay $$$ to read the article.
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So subverting democracy is okay as long as you're on the side of the minority. Got it.Biker wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 10:41 pmYes. Its a republic, not a democracy. Sure, it sands your mangina, but sometimes these things need to happen so that the majority does not oppress the minority
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GOP refusing to do work they get paid for.
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A partisan legislative standoff in Oregon persisted on Monday, as Republican state lawmakers stayed clear of the state Capitol for the fifth day in a row in an effort to block a climate change bill that Democrats are pressing to approve.
Democrats, who control the Oregon Senate as well as the House of Representatives, were preparing to vote on the measure last week when all 11 Republican senators disappeared. Without the votes to reject the bill, which would require businesses to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, the Republicans denied the Democrats a needed quorum, blocking a vote from taking place in the Senate.
Gov. Kate Brown, a Democrat, has ordered the Oregon State Police to find the Senate Republicans and bring them back to the Capitol in Salem for a vote. As of Monday morning, none of the Republicans had been found. Some were said to have left the state. And there was no sign of a resolution.
What is this fight really about?
Oregon Democrats are trying to push through a bill that would significantly decrease the amount of greenhouse gases that businesses are legally allowed to emit. The Democrats say the bill is needed to reduce the effects of global warming.
Senate Republicans say the legislation would have a devastating effect on farmers, dairies and the state’s struggling logging industry, among others. More than that, Republicans say, the bill represents an existential threat to rural life, and they want the residents of Oregon to decide on the proposal, not the Democrats who control the state’s capital. Loggers have been protesting intermittently outside the Capitol for weeks, circling the building in their logging trucks on some days.
Democrats say the bill is critical to slowing the onset of climate change, which in Oregon has been blamed for drought and an extensive algae bloom off the coast in 2015 that devastated the shellfish industry from California to Alaska. Oregon Democrats want the legislation to be a model for other states.
Protesters demonstrated outside the Capitol on Sunday against the climate change bill, which would limit carbon emissions by businesses.
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Protesters demonstrated outside the Capitol on Sunday against the climate change bill, which would limit carbon emissions by businesses.CreditAlex Milan Tracy/Sipa, via Associated Press
What is in the bill?
The highly debated bill would make Oregon one of several states to impose an emissions-trading program, a market-based approach to lowering greenhouse gas emissions. The bill would place limits on the amount of carbon dioxide that businesses could lawfully emit. By 2050, for instance, the bill would mandate an 80 percent reduction in emissions from 1990 levels.
Some businesses would be required to buy credits for every ton of greenhouse gas they produce. Those credits would then be purchased at special auctions and traded among businesses. Over time, the state would make fewer credits available, ultimately forcing companies to pollute less. The plan, commonly known as cap-and-trade, is modeled after a 2016 California law.
How does Oregon’s bill compare to other state climate policies?
It is far more extensive than most. Oregon would become just the second state, after California, to require that businesses in every sector of the economy pay for the planet-warming greenhouse gases that they emit.
Economists have long favored so-called carbon pricing policies as a particularly cost-effective way of tackling climate change. By making it more expensive to burn fossil fuels, cap-and-trade programs or carbon taxes give companies an incentive to reduce their emissions and switch to cleaner alternatives.
But so far, these policies have been a tough sell politically. Voters in Washington State twice rejected ballot initiatives that would have imposed a carbon tax. While ten states in the Northeast have set up their own regional cap-and-trade program, it only affects electric power plants, which are responsible for about one-quarter of the nation’s emissions. Most states have shied away from this approach and have instead focused on requiring utilities to use more power from wind or solar generation, which is broadly popular with voters.
Oregon’s bill would go much further, directly regulating emissions from industries like cement and paper manufacturing, while also taking aim at the natural gas used to heat homes and the gasoline and diesel fuels that power cars and trucks. While scientists say that all of those sectors will need to be overhauled in order to head off the worst effects of global warming, the wider approach also increases the likelihood of political conflict, since every corner of the economy will be affected.
Will the Republican walkout kill the climate change measure?
The end of the legislative session is only a few days away, on Sunday. But Ms. Brown has threatened to call a special session if the climate change bill and other Democratic priorities are not voted on in the regular session because the Republicans haven’t reappeared.
The walkout over the climate bill is the second time in six weeks that Oregon Republicans — who are outnumbered in both houses of the state legislature — have been frustrated enough to flee the Capitol to delay a vote they opposed. In May, Republicans disappeared for four days to block a vote on a school funding tax plan. Oregon is by no means the first state where a party in the minority has resorted to the tactic.
Democrats, who control the Oregon Senate as well as the House of Representatives, were preparing to vote on the measure last week when all 11 Republican senators disappeared. Without the votes to reject the bill, which would require businesses to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, the Republicans denied the Democrats a needed quorum, blocking a vote from taking place in the Senate.
Gov. Kate Brown, a Democrat, has ordered the Oregon State Police to find the Senate Republicans and bring them back to the Capitol in Salem for a vote. As of Monday morning, none of the Republicans had been found. Some were said to have left the state. And there was no sign of a resolution.
What is this fight really about?
Oregon Democrats are trying to push through a bill that would significantly decrease the amount of greenhouse gases that businesses are legally allowed to emit. The Democrats say the bill is needed to reduce the effects of global warming.
Senate Republicans say the legislation would have a devastating effect on farmers, dairies and the state’s struggling logging industry, among others. More than that, Republicans say, the bill represents an existential threat to rural life, and they want the residents of Oregon to decide on the proposal, not the Democrats who control the state’s capital. Loggers have been protesting intermittently outside the Capitol for weeks, circling the building in their logging trucks on some days.
Democrats say the bill is critical to slowing the onset of climate change, which in Oregon has been blamed for drought and an extensive algae bloom off the coast in 2015 that devastated the shellfish industry from California to Alaska. Oregon Democrats want the legislation to be a model for other states.
Protesters demonstrated outside the Capitol on Sunday against the climate change bill, which would limit carbon emissions by businesses.
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ImageProtesters demonstrated outside the Capitol on Sunday against the climate change bill, which would limit carbon emissions by businesses.
Protesters demonstrated outside the Capitol on Sunday against the climate change bill, which would limit carbon emissions by businesses.CreditAlex Milan Tracy/Sipa, via Associated Press
What is in the bill?
The highly debated bill would make Oregon one of several states to impose an emissions-trading program, a market-based approach to lowering greenhouse gas emissions. The bill would place limits on the amount of carbon dioxide that businesses could lawfully emit. By 2050, for instance, the bill would mandate an 80 percent reduction in emissions from 1990 levels.
Some businesses would be required to buy credits for every ton of greenhouse gas they produce. Those credits would then be purchased at special auctions and traded among businesses. Over time, the state would make fewer credits available, ultimately forcing companies to pollute less. The plan, commonly known as cap-and-trade, is modeled after a 2016 California law.
How does Oregon’s bill compare to other state climate policies?
It is far more extensive than most. Oregon would become just the second state, after California, to require that businesses in every sector of the economy pay for the planet-warming greenhouse gases that they emit.
Economists have long favored so-called carbon pricing policies as a particularly cost-effective way of tackling climate change. By making it more expensive to burn fossil fuels, cap-and-trade programs or carbon taxes give companies an incentive to reduce their emissions and switch to cleaner alternatives.
But so far, these policies have been a tough sell politically. Voters in Washington State twice rejected ballot initiatives that would have imposed a carbon tax. While ten states in the Northeast have set up their own regional cap-and-trade program, it only affects electric power plants, which are responsible for about one-quarter of the nation’s emissions. Most states have shied away from this approach and have instead focused on requiring utilities to use more power from wind or solar generation, which is broadly popular with voters.
Oregon’s bill would go much further, directly regulating emissions from industries like cement and paper manufacturing, while also taking aim at the natural gas used to heat homes and the gasoline and diesel fuels that power cars and trucks. While scientists say that all of those sectors will need to be overhauled in order to head off the worst effects of global warming, the wider approach also increases the likelihood of political conflict, since every corner of the economy will be affected.
Will the Republican walkout kill the climate change measure?
The end of the legislative session is only a few days away, on Sunday. But Ms. Brown has threatened to call a special session if the climate change bill and other Democratic priorities are not voted on in the regular session because the Republicans haven’t reappeared.
The walkout over the climate bill is the second time in six weeks that Oregon Republicans — who are outnumbered in both houses of the state legislature — have been frustrated enough to flee the Capitol to delay a vote they opposed. In May, Republicans disappeared for four days to block a vote on a school funding tax plan. Oregon is by no means the first state where a party in the minority has resorted to the tactic.
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No, why would you think that? I earn my money.
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Re: Oregon GOP on the run
It is a democracy you fucknutBiker wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 10:49 pmIts not a democracy, you dipshit. Thats the pointReservoir Dog wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 10:47 pmSo subverting democracy is okay as long as you're on the side of the minority. Got it.Biker wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 10:41 pmYes. Its a republic, not a democracy. Sure, it sands your mangina, but sometimes these things need to happen so that the majority does not oppress the minorityReservoir Dog wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 10:29 pmSo that makes it okay?
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You're talking about inalienable rights. This thread is about a climate change bill in Oregon.Biker wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 10:49 pmIts not a democracy, you dipshit. Thats the pointReservoir Dog wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 10:47 pmSo subverting democracy is okay as long as you're on the side of the minority. Got it.Biker wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 10:41 pmYes. Its a republic, not a democracy. Sure, it sands your mangina, but sometimes these things need to happen so that the majority does not oppress the minorityReservoir Dog wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 10:29 pmSo that makes it okay?
If the Democrats were doing it you'd be in here screaming your balls off.
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You were ok with that happening in Wisconsin.Biker wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 10:41 pmYes. Its a republic, not a democracy. Sure, it sands your mangina, but sometimes these things need to happen so that the majority does not oppress the minority
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In these times, everything looks like an ill omen. The capitol is crowded with crows. But it is not an exaggeration to say that if you're not following the ongoing insanity in Oregon, you are missing a look into a very dark future. It begins with a not-at-all-unusual squabble between the Republicans in the Oregon legislature and the Democratic Governor, Kate Brown. At issue is a huge bill aimed at dealing with the climate crisis. On Thursday, every Republican member of the Oregon state senate took a powder, denying Brown and the Democrats a quorum and effectively killing the bill.
Now this is not an unusual tactic. Not long ago, Democratic lawmakers in Texas and in Wisconsin blew town for the same purpose—to throw sand in the gears of a legislative act of which they did not approve and could not stop by conventional means. In Wisconsin, it was to slow down an anti-union measure. In Texas, it was about a redistricting map that gerrymandered the Texas legislature into a farce. The legislative lamsters all had a good time, taking goofy videos in what appeared to be Holiday Inn lobbies while Republicans back home fumed. (The Texans, it should be noted, won a temporary victory.) What makes Oregon different is what the fugitive Republican senators did.
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Oregon Governor Kate Brown ordered state troopers to track down GOP state senators who fled to prevent a quorum.
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The Republican senators—with the full support of the Oregon Republican Party—made common cause with armed domestic terror groups. (Calling them a militia is a misnomer, regardless of what they may think of themselves.) When a Republican state senator named Brian Boquist heard that Brown was sending the Oregon state police after them, he told a local television station:
Send bachelors and come heavily armed. I’m not going to be a political prisoner in the state of Oregon. It’s just that simple.
Almost immediately, the local domestic terror groups sprang to Boquist's defense. From ThinkProgress:
A member of the Oregon 3 Percenters — a militia group whose members have vowed to combat what they perceive as constitutional infringement — said they would act as the senators’ de-facto bodyguards against the state police. “We have vowed to provide security, transportation and refuge for those Senators in need,” they wrote in a Facebook post. “We will stand together with unwavering resolve, doing whatever it takes to keep these Senators safe.”
In Idaho, where some of the lawmakers have supposedly fled, the state’s 3 Percenters group was similarly willing to defend the Republicans as well, posting threatening memes on its Facebook page. “This is what the start of a civil war looks like,” the group wrote in one post. “Elected officials seeking asylum in a friendly jurisdiction.” Speaking to ThinkProgress, Eric Parker, president of the group Real 3 Percenters Idaho, said the group was currently networking to figure out if Brown had asked for any “out of state resources” — such as help from the FBI or Idaho State Patrol — and were willing to assist the the Republican senators in any way necessary.
And you could find a way to wave this off as well, except for what happened on Saturday. From the Oregonian/OregonLive:
A spokeswoman for the Senate President confirmed late Friday that the "Oregon State Police has recommended that the Capitol be closed tomorrow due to a possible militia threat."
An "Occupy The Senate" rally on Sunday, sponsored by the local and state GOP, seems to have fizzled. (Jason Wilson on the electric Twitter machine is your go-to on this, and he has pictures, including one of a chainsaw the size of a Saturn V.) That doesn't calm me down at all. There has been a wildness in the land for a while now and, at this moment, at the top of the government, we have a president* who's more than willing to give that wildness a purpose and a focus.
People with guns have involved themselves in a legislative dispute while the officials of one of the political parties was rooting them on, and one session of a state legislature was cancelled because of it. Roll that around in your head for a while and see where you end up. Something is building in our politics and now I wish I hadn't watched that series about Chernobyl. We may be exceeding the tolerances of all our systems.
Now this is not an unusual tactic. Not long ago, Democratic lawmakers in Texas and in Wisconsin blew town for the same purpose—to throw sand in the gears of a legislative act of which they did not approve and could not stop by conventional means. In Wisconsin, it was to slow down an anti-union measure. In Texas, it was about a redistricting map that gerrymandered the Texas legislature into a farce. The legislative lamsters all had a good time, taking goofy videos in what appeared to be Holiday Inn lobbies while Republicans back home fumed. (The Texans, it should be noted, won a temporary victory.) What makes Oregon different is what the fugitive Republican senators did.
Axios News Shapers
Oregon Governor Kate Brown ordered state troopers to track down GOP state senators who fled to prevent a quorum.
Shannon FinneyGetty Images
The Republican senators—with the full support of the Oregon Republican Party—made common cause with armed domestic terror groups. (Calling them a militia is a misnomer, regardless of what they may think of themselves.) When a Republican state senator named Brian Boquist heard that Brown was sending the Oregon state police after them, he told a local television station:
Send bachelors and come heavily armed. I’m not going to be a political prisoner in the state of Oregon. It’s just that simple.
Almost immediately, the local domestic terror groups sprang to Boquist's defense. From ThinkProgress:
A member of the Oregon 3 Percenters — a militia group whose members have vowed to combat what they perceive as constitutional infringement — said they would act as the senators’ de-facto bodyguards against the state police. “We have vowed to provide security, transportation and refuge for those Senators in need,” they wrote in a Facebook post. “We will stand together with unwavering resolve, doing whatever it takes to keep these Senators safe.”
In Idaho, where some of the lawmakers have supposedly fled, the state’s 3 Percenters group was similarly willing to defend the Republicans as well, posting threatening memes on its Facebook page. “This is what the start of a civil war looks like,” the group wrote in one post. “Elected officials seeking asylum in a friendly jurisdiction.” Speaking to ThinkProgress, Eric Parker, president of the group Real 3 Percenters Idaho, said the group was currently networking to figure out if Brown had asked for any “out of state resources” — such as help from the FBI or Idaho State Patrol — and were willing to assist the the Republican senators in any way necessary.
And you could find a way to wave this off as well, except for what happened on Saturday. From the Oregonian/OregonLive:
A spokeswoman for the Senate President confirmed late Friday that the "Oregon State Police has recommended that the Capitol be closed tomorrow due to a possible militia threat."
An "Occupy The Senate" rally on Sunday, sponsored by the local and state GOP, seems to have fizzled. (Jason Wilson on the electric Twitter machine is your go-to on this, and he has pictures, including one of a chainsaw the size of a Saturn V.) That doesn't calm me down at all. There has been a wildness in the land for a while now and, at this moment, at the top of the government, we have a president* who's more than willing to give that wildness a purpose and a focus.
People with guns have involved themselves in a legislative dispute while the officials of one of the political parties was rooting them on, and one session of a state legislature was cancelled because of it. Roll that around in your head for a while and see where you end up. Something is building in our politics and now I wish I hadn't watched that series about Chernobyl. We may be exceeding the tolerances of all our systems.
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So what we learn is that you approve of any games the republicans play.Biker wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 11:23 pmDamn straight I didWut wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 11:18 pmYou were ok with that happening in Wisconsin.Biker wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 10:41 pmYes. Its a republic, not a democracy. Sure, it sands your mangina, but sometimes these things need to happen so that the majority does not oppress the minorityReservoir Dog wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 10:29 pmSo that makes it okay?
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Pay Mitch McConnell to not vote on bills
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Amazing, I was presenting this as a humourous ludicrous failure of the political system, and the goppers are actually defending it as a valid legislative tactic
Y'all can't agree that whether done by the dems or the gop it's an absolute joke that senators are literally running and hiding to avoid doing their job? It's not like this is a constitutional safeguard here, a designed and intended check, they're exploiting a loophole that was there because exploiting it is just so ridiculous it wasn't thought of.
Y'all can't agree that whether done by the dems or the gop it's an absolute joke that senators are literally running and hiding to avoid doing their job? It's not like this is a constitutional safeguard here, a designed and intended check, they're exploiting a loophole that was there because exploiting it is just so ridiculous it wasn't thought of.
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They would eat a yard of dog shit if a liberal had to smell their breath. Nothing is off the table for the gopAnalHamster wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:27 am Amazing, I was presenting this as a humourous ludicrous failure of the political system, and the goppers are actually defending it as a valid legislative tactic
Y'all can't agree that whether done by the dems or the gop it's an absolute joke that senators are literally running and hiding to thwart the will of the people?
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Protecting unions
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You don't think even dem senators running away and hiding to block a vote is a bit of a farce?Biker wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:25 pmThey were Dems in Wisconsin. You probably dont even remember why they fled. Quick, run to google to find out!Wut wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 11:50 pmSo what we learn is that you approve of any games the republicans play.Biker wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 11:23 pmDamn straight I did
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