THE IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY INTO DONALD J TRUMP

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You're celebrating the failure of your constitution.
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PopcornSutton wrote: Sun Feb 02, 2020 11:02 am Democrat leaders want to destroy the Constitution in order to impeach @realDonaldTrump
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“I don't care what kind of nice, little, legal, Constitutional defenses that they came up with.” – Dem Sen. Mazie Hirono
I'm gonna bet that little sound byte was taken out of context. Rethugs are good at that.
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Goldwater was one of just six Senate Republicans to vote against the bill in 1964, while 21 Senate Democrats opposed it. It passed by an overall vote of 73-27. In the House, 96 Democrats and 34 Republicans voted against the Civil Rights Act, passing with an overall 290-130 vote. While most Democrats in both chambers voted for it, the bulk of the opposition still was from Democrats.
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The Great Depression acted as the catalyst for a transformation of the party system that moved the Democrats from minority to majority status at the national level. The New Deal Democratic coalition that put Franklin D. Roosevelt in the White House and the Democratic Party in control of Congress combined support from the working class and various ethnic and minority groups with already existing strength in the South. The basis of Democratic appeal to blue-collar workers, low-income individuals, and recent immigrant groups (largely Catholics and Jews from southern and eastern Europe) was the party's liberalism in economic matters. Roosevelt and the Democrats favored federal government activity to combat the Depression and proposed programs to benefit disadvantaged groups. The Republicans, who appealed more to the middle-class, business groups, and northern white Protestants, were critical of this expansion of government interference in the economy and creation of a variety of social welfare programs. By the late 1930s, the lines between the two parties were clearly drawn, both in ideological and socioeconomic terms (Ladd and Hadley 1978, 31-87).

Although the New Deal coalition began to break up in the 1960s, the impact of the New Deal realignment has remained to the present, albeit in a diluted and revised form. Many of the party images of decades past persist to the present. Democrats remain thought of as the party that favors bigger government, more spending on domestic programs, and helping those at the bottom of the economic pyramid. Republicans continue to be perceived as favoring limited government, less spending on domestic programs, and fewer restrictions on business enterprises. Democrats are seen as the party of the working class and lower-income groups. Republicans are viewed as the party of business and upper-income groups. These are not baseless images. They reflect continuing fundamental differences between the parties.

What complicates discussions of party realignment since the New Deal are subgroups like the socially conservative Southern Democrats/"Dixiecrats" and the culturally liberal "Eisenhower/Rockefeller Republicans"; these were principally the groups that switched party affiliation in the aftermath of the Civil Rights Movement and later the Reagan Revolution.

Important Sidenote: the Southern Strategy was the Republican electoral strategy to appeal to white voters in the South during the 1964 and 1968 elections by appealing to racism against black people. The Southern Strategy successfully pulled many white, conservative, Southern Democrats into the Republican Party and helped push the party further to the right. It would turn the "Solid South" from solid blue to solid red within 8 years and is largely the foundational reason for the modern political platforms of both parties.

Republican strategist Lee Atwater discussed the Southern strategy and what's known in politics as "dogwhistle politics" in a 1981 interview:

Atwater: As to the whole Southern strategy that Harry Dent and others put together in 1968, opposition to the Voting Rights Act would have been a central part of keeping the South. Now [Reagan] doesn't have to do that. All you have to do to keep the South is for Reagan to run in place on the issues he's campaigned on since 1964 ... and that's fiscal conservatism, balancing the budget, cut taxes, you know, the whole cluster...

Questioner: But the fact is, isn't it, that Reagan does get to the Wallace voter and to the racist side of the Wallace voter by doing away with legal services, by cutting down on food stamps?

Atwater: You start out in 1954 by saying, "Evvanrenea thinks you're a real piece of shit for using this truly awful word!, Evvanrenea thinks you're a real piece of shit for using this truly awful word!, Evvanrenea thinks you're a real piece of shit for using this truly awful word!." By 1968 you can't say "Evvanrenea thinks you're a real piece of shit for using this truly awful word!" — that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites. And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I'm not saying that. But I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me — because obviously sitting around saying, "We want to cut this," is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than "Evvanrenea thinks you're a real piece of shit for using this truly awful word!, Evvanrenea thinks you're a real piece of shit for using this truly awful word!."
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Other relevant points:

Lincoln (and thus the early Republican Party) was in favor of immigration, voting rights, strong patent protection, and federal funding for transportation infrastructure.

He instituted the first personal income tax during the war (to help pay for it) and probably would be comfortable with one now

He was largely against "unnecessary" military aggression and opposed the Mexican-American War

He supported the 13th amendment to formally abolish slavery and made its passage his top priority (he saw it as a more permanent solution to the temporary Emancipation Proclamation).

He was very private about his religion and never formally joined a church, despite regularly attending with his wife

However, he was also in favor of protectionism (tariffs and trade protection) and the system of mercantilism, which are largely today seen as conservative policies because of globalization and our position in the global economic market. He was also, by modern terms, incredibly racist even though he was staunchly opposed to slavery.

Based on the 1868 Republican Party Platform, Republicans were in favor of the following:

universal (male) suffrage

the "equalization" of taxation

foreign immigration, which they felt "added so much to the wealth, development of resources, and increase of power to this nation" and should be fostered and encouraged

diminishing our national debt and restoring good credit

noting that the US "should be administered with the strictest economy; and the corruptions which have been so shamefully nursed and fostered by Andrew Johnson call loudly for radical reform"

"Naturalized citizens are entitled to be protected in all their rights of citizenship, as though they were native-born; and no citizen of the United States, native or naturalized, must be liable to arrest and imprisonment by any foreign power, for acts done or words spoken in this country; and, if so arrested and imprisoned, it is the duty of the Government to interfere in his behalf."

forgiveness and full reintegration of the rebels/Confederates

So did the Republican Party of Lincoln have more in common with today's Democratic Party than it does with the modern Republican Party? It's a mixed bag, but I would largely say "on the whole, yes."
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Do you guys ever tire of lying?
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Charliesheen wrote: Sun Feb 02, 2020 3:15 pm
Goldwater was one of just six Senate Republicans to vote against the bill in 1964, while 21 Senate Democrats opposed it. It passed by an overall vote of 73-27. In the House, 96 Democrats and 34 Republicans voted against the Civil Rights Act, passing with an overall 290-130 vote. While most Democrats in both chambers voted for it, the bulk of the opposition still was from Democrats.
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No, but you can still force your interpretation on that history to your own means.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Conn ... _for_Nixon was just the start.
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Biker wrote: Sun Feb 02, 2020 3:45 pm
QillerDaemon wrote: Sun Feb 02, 2020 3:42 pm
Charliesheen wrote: Sun Feb 02, 2020 3:15 pm
Goldwater was one of just six Senate Republicans to vote against the bill in 1964, while 21 Senate Democrats opposed it. It passed by an overall vote of 73-27. In the House, 96 Democrats and 34 Republicans voted against the Civil Rights Act, passing with an overall 290-130 vote. While most Democrats in both chambers voted for it, the bulk of the opposition still was from Democrats.
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No, but you can still force your interpretation on that history to your own means.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Conn ... _for_Nixon was just the start.
You just cant swap histories just because your sucks balls. I admit that my party has warts and I will not lie to myself and splain it away
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Fine, call yourself whatever you want. But I'm not about to let modern Republicans call themselves the "Party of Lincoln" because they most certainly are not. Connally was just the first of many Southern and arch-conservative Democrats to abandon the party, and they did it in droves in the 80's. Fine, do so, but don't claim accolades you did nothing to earn. The modern Republican Party is barely the party of Eisenhower, much less of Teddy R.
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Sad republicans desperately attempting to claim martyred Presidents
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I doubt a Republican or a Democrat from the 1960s would recognize their party right now. It is specious to think so. There have been plenty of graphs on here showing how polarized our ideologies have become.
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JFK wouldn't fit in today's Democrat party.
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Well he did like giving tax cuts to the rich and was a serial adulterer so maybe he would make a good Republican.
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Stapes wrote: Sun Feb 02, 2020 2:34 pm
PopcornSutton wrote: Sun Feb 02, 2020 11:02 am Democrat leaders want to destroy the Constitution in order to impeach @realDonaldTrump
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“I don't care what kind of nice, little, legal, Constitutional defenses that they came up with.” – Dem Sen. Mazie Hirono
I'm gonna bet that little sound byte was taken out of context. Rethugs are good at that.
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PopcornSutton wrote: Sun Feb 02, 2020 6:43 pm
Stapes wrote: Sun Feb 02, 2020 2:34 pm
PopcornSutton wrote: Sun Feb 02, 2020 11:02 am Democrat leaders want to destroy the Constitution in order to impeach @realDonaldTrump
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“I don't care what kind of nice, little, legal, Constitutional defenses that they came up with.” – Dem Sen. Mazie Hirono
I'm gonna bet that little sound byte was taken out of context. Rethugs are good at that.
And moron? what about the whole conversation and multiple questions before that little video clip. She was talking about the GOP hypocrisy
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CHEEZY17 wrote: Sun Feb 02, 2020 6:34 pm JFK wouldn't fit in today's Democrat party.
Don't think Reagan would fit with the Repubs either.
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https://news.gallup.com/poll/284156/tru ... gn=sharing

Trump Job Approval at Personal Best 49%

Trump's approval rating is greater than his 2016 vote turnout which means after 3+ years, Democrats have actually made Trump MORE attractive to voters than less.
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Incredible ain't it, something like 45% of your country excluding poll outliers, and an actual majority of your senate are traitors, either too stupid to see overwhelming evidence or just willing to overlook it because party before country. Fuck the constitution if the right team is winning. It's sickening.
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beagleboy wrote: Tue Feb 04, 2020 3:03 pm https://news.gallup.com/poll/284156/tru ... gn=sharing

Trump Job Approval at Personal Best 49%

Trump's approval rating is greater than his 2016 vote turnout which means after 3+ years, Democrats have actually made Trump MORE attractive to voters than less.
I doubt it. Consider your polling source.
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Barring a total economic collapse it's another four years of Donny. :lol:
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