Moving to private healthcare systems

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Moving to private healthcare systems

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Post by Biker » Thu Feb 06, 2020 3:44 pm

It’s intriguing that while socialists in America would rush to nationalize the health care system, Norwegians, Swedes, and Danes are all gradually increasing their use of private health insurance.

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Post by Stapes » Thu Feb 06, 2020 5:09 pm

Awww. More right wing socialism paranoia dressed up as news. The fact is the people in those countries wouldn't trade their healthcare system for a U.S. version under any circumstances.
Not in the a.m. bro.

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Post by necronomous » Thu Feb 06, 2020 5:10 pm

Stapes wrote:
Thu Feb 06, 2020 5:09 pm
Awww. More right wing socialism paranoia dressed up as news. The fact is the people in those countries wouldn't trade their healthcare system for a U.S. version under any circumstances.
Whooosh

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Stapes wrote:
Thu Feb 06, 2020 5:09 pm
Awww. More right wing socialism paranoia dressed up as news. The fact is the people in those countries wouldn't trade their healthcare system for a U.S. version under any circumstances.
Yet they are doing just that. Weird

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Post by Stapes » Thu Feb 06, 2020 5:32 pm

Biker wrote:
Thu Feb 06, 2020 5:21 pm
Stapes wrote:
Thu Feb 06, 2020 5:09 pm
Awww. More right wing socialism paranoia dressed up as news. The fact is the people in those countries wouldn't trade their healthcare system for a U.S. version under any circumstances.
Yet they are doing just that. Weird
No they are not.
Not in the a.m. bro.

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Post by VinceBordenIII » Thu Feb 06, 2020 5:56 pm

Expansion of medicare to cover all citizens is the way to go.
Private health care will still have a place, as medicare can't and won't try to cover all the things wealthier Americans expect.
We'll be using a lot more nurses, NP's and PA's, not to mention foreign trained doctors.
There'll be lots of TV stories about how "I didn't get my <X> and it's not Faaaaaiiiiirrrr!"

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Post by Biker » Thu Feb 06, 2020 6:03 pm

Stapes wrote:
Thu Feb 06, 2020 5:32 pm
Biker wrote:
Thu Feb 06, 2020 5:21 pm
Stapes wrote:
Thu Feb 06, 2020 5:09 pm
Awww. More right wing socialism paranoia dressed up as news. The fact is the people in those countries wouldn't trade their healthcare system for a U.S. version under any circumstances.
Yet they are doing just that. Weird
No they are not.
Those nations are expanding private coverage, meaning there is a market for care outside the public services.

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Post by Charliesheen » Thu Feb 06, 2020 7:32 pm

The market is the solution. Trumps billing transparency plan is going to blow the lid off’n everything.

You do remember him mentioning that during the sotu, right?

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Post by AnalHamster » Thu Feb 06, 2020 8:28 pm

Biker wrote:
Thu Feb 06, 2020 6:03 pm
Stapes wrote:
Thu Feb 06, 2020 5:32 pm
Biker wrote:
Thu Feb 06, 2020 5:21 pm
Stapes wrote:
Thu Feb 06, 2020 5:09 pm
Awww. More right wing socialism paranoia dressed up as news. The fact is the people in those countries wouldn't trade their healthcare system for a U.S. version under any circumstances.
Yet they are doing just that. Weird
No they are not.
Those nations are expanding private coverage, meaning there is a market for care outside the public services.
You mean care supplementing the public services, which cover everyone cradle to grave at a fraction of the cost that the US pays. Rich folk want private rooms and shorter wait times, not to abolish public healthcare, which is simply objectively better.

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Post by FSchmertz » Thu Feb 06, 2020 9:28 pm

AnalHamster wrote:
Thu Feb 06, 2020 8:28 pm
Biker wrote:
Thu Feb 06, 2020 6:03 pm
Stapes wrote:
Thu Feb 06, 2020 5:32 pm
Biker wrote:
Thu Feb 06, 2020 5:21 pm
Stapes wrote:
Thu Feb 06, 2020 5:09 pm
Awww. More right wing socialism paranoia dressed up as news. The fact is the people in those countries wouldn't trade their healthcare system for a U.S. version under any circumstances.
Yet they are doing just that. Weird
No they are not.
Those nations are expanding private coverage, meaning there is a market for care outside the public services.
You mean care supplementing the public services, which cover everyone cradle to grave at a fraction of the cost that the US pays. Rich folk want private rooms and shorter wait times, not to abolish public healthcare, which is simply objectively better.
People here in the U.S. seem confused that the British can also chose to get Cadillac care if they wish (or can afford) to pay extra for it. In other words, they can pay to stay outside of your public healthcare, if they wish.

Sort of like a first-class private insurance plan in the U.S., except we have no public option if we can't afford such a plan (except maybe Medicare).

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Post by Charliesheen » Thu Feb 06, 2020 11:06 pm

True. If you can’t pay extra for US style healthcare, you get filthy hospitals and 6 month delays on what the NHS says is elective; your pain or disabilities be damned.

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Post by FSchmertz » Thu Feb 06, 2020 11:36 pm

Charliesheen wrote:
Thu Feb 06, 2020 11:06 pm
True. If you can’t pay extra for US style healthcare, you get filthy hospitals and 6 month delays on what the NHS says is elective; your pain or disabilities be damned.
No, you often don't get any healthcare at all. You may have to "elect" to die from treatable issues.

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Post by Biker » Fri Feb 07, 2020 12:47 am

FSchmertz wrote:
Thu Feb 06, 2020 11:36 pm
Charliesheen wrote:
Thu Feb 06, 2020 11:06 pm
True. If you can’t pay extra for US style healthcare, you get filthy hospitals and 6 month delays on what the NHS says is elective; your pain or disabilities be damned.
No, you often don't get any healthcare at all. You may have to "elect" to die from treatable issues.
Nope, US healthcare law states that hospitals cannot refuse treatment.

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Post by FSchmertz » Fri Feb 07, 2020 12:49 am

Biker wrote:
Fri Feb 07, 2020 12:47 am
FSchmertz wrote:
Thu Feb 06, 2020 11:36 pm
Charliesheen wrote:
Thu Feb 06, 2020 11:06 pm
True. If you can’t pay extra for US style healthcare, you get filthy hospitals and 6 month delays on what the NHS says is elective; your pain or disabilities be damned.
No, you often don't get any healthcare at all. You may have to "elect" to die from treatable issues.
Nope, US healthcare law states that hospitals cannot refuse treatment.
:lol:

You'll die miserably regardless

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Re: Moving to private healthcare systems

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Post by Biker » Fri Feb 07, 2020 12:51 am

FSchmertz wrote:
Fri Feb 07, 2020 12:49 am
Biker wrote:
Fri Feb 07, 2020 12:47 am
FSchmertz wrote:
Thu Feb 06, 2020 11:36 pm
Charliesheen wrote:
Thu Feb 06, 2020 11:06 pm
True. If you can’t pay extra for US style healthcare, you get filthy hospitals and 6 month delays on what the NHS says is elective; your pain or disabilities be damned.
No, you often don't get any healthcare at all. You may have to "elect" to die from treatable issues.
Nope, US healthcare law states that hospitals cannot refuse treatment.
:lol:

You'll die miserably regardless
You claimed that a patient would be denied care when that isnt true at all. Above the fray guys usually know that

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Post by FSchmertz » Fri Feb 07, 2020 1:10 am

Biker wrote:
Fri Feb 07, 2020 12:51 am
FSchmertz wrote:
Fri Feb 07, 2020 12:49 am
Biker wrote:
Fri Feb 07, 2020 12:47 am
FSchmertz wrote:
Thu Feb 06, 2020 11:36 pm
Charliesheen wrote:
Thu Feb 06, 2020 11:06 pm
True. If you can’t pay extra for US style healthcare, you get filthy hospitals and 6 month delays on what the NHS says is elective; your pain or disabilities be damned.
No, you often don't get any healthcare at all. You may have to "elect" to die from treatable issues.
Nope, US healthcare law states that hospitals cannot refuse treatment.
:lol:

You'll die miserably regardless
You claimed that a patient would be denied care when that isnt true at all. Above the fray guys usually know that
You don't think they'd have it better chance of receiving real healthcare via someplace like the UK?

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Post by Biker » Fri Feb 07, 2020 1:12 am

FSchmertz wrote:
Fri Feb 07, 2020 1:10 am
Biker wrote:
Fri Feb 07, 2020 12:51 am
FSchmertz wrote:
Fri Feb 07, 2020 12:49 am
Biker wrote:
Fri Feb 07, 2020 12:47 am
FSchmertz wrote:
Thu Feb 06, 2020 11:36 pm
Charliesheen wrote:
Thu Feb 06, 2020 11:06 pm
True. If you can’t pay extra for US style healthcare, you get filthy hospitals and 6 month delays on what the NHS says is elective; your pain or disabilities be damned.
No, you often don't get any healthcare at all. You may have to "elect" to die from treatable issues.
Nope, US healthcare law states that hospitals cannot refuse treatment.
:lol:

You'll die miserably regardless
You claimed that a patient would be denied care when that isnt true at all. Above the fray guys usually know that
You don't think they'd have it better chance of receiving real healthcare via someplace like the UK?
Why would I think that?

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Post by Wut » Fri Feb 07, 2020 1:14 am

Biker wrote:
Fri Feb 07, 2020 12:47 am
FSchmertz wrote:
Thu Feb 06, 2020 11:36 pm
Charliesheen wrote:
Thu Feb 06, 2020 11:06 pm
True. If you can’t pay extra for US style healthcare, you get filthy hospitals and 6 month delays on what the NHS says is elective; your pain or disabilities be damned.
No, you often don't get any healthcare at all. You may have to "elect" to die from treatable issues.
Nope, US healthcare law states that hospitals cannot refuse treatment.
Isn't that just acute emergency care?

You're not going to show up weekly for free radiation treatments or get a new kidney just because you need one.

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Re: Moving to private healthcare systems

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Post by Biker » Fri Feb 07, 2020 1:15 am

Wut wrote:
Fri Feb 07, 2020 1:14 am
Biker wrote:
Fri Feb 07, 2020 12:47 am
FSchmertz wrote:
Thu Feb 06, 2020 11:36 pm
Charliesheen wrote:
Thu Feb 06, 2020 11:06 pm
True. If you can’t pay extra for US style healthcare, you get filthy hospitals and 6 month delays on what the NHS says is elective; your pain or disabilities be damned.
No, you often don't get any healthcare at all. You may have to "elect" to die from treatable issues.
Nope, US healthcare law states that hospitals cannot refuse treatment.
Isn't that just acute emergency care?

You're not going to show up weekly for free radiation treatments or get a new kidney just because you need one.
No, treatment facilities cannot turn away patients based on ability to pay.

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Post by Wut » Fri Feb 07, 2020 1:17 am

Biker wrote:
Fri Feb 07, 2020 1:15 am
Wut wrote:
Fri Feb 07, 2020 1:14 am
Biker wrote:
Fri Feb 07, 2020 12:47 am
FSchmertz wrote:
Thu Feb 06, 2020 11:36 pm
Charliesheen wrote:
Thu Feb 06, 2020 11:06 pm
True. If you can’t pay extra for US style healthcare, you get filthy hospitals and 6 month delays on what the NHS says is elective; your pain or disabilities be damned.
No, you often don't get any healthcare at all. You may have to "elect" to die from treatable issues.
Nope, US healthcare law states that hospitals cannot refuse treatment.
Isn't that just acute emergency care?

You're not going to show up weekly for free radiation treatments or get a new kidney just because you need one.
No, treatment facilities cannot turn away patients based on ability to pay.
Sorry, I think you're wrong about that.

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Post by FSchmertz » Fri Feb 07, 2020 1:18 am

Biker wrote:
Fri Feb 07, 2020 1:12 am
FSchmertz wrote:
Fri Feb 07, 2020 1:10 am
Biker wrote:
Fri Feb 07, 2020 12:51 am
FSchmertz wrote:
Fri Feb 07, 2020 12:49 am
Biker wrote:
Fri Feb 07, 2020 12:47 am
FSchmertz wrote:
Thu Feb 06, 2020 11:36 pm
No, you often don't get any healthcare at all. You may have to "elect" to die from treatable issues.
Nope, US healthcare law states that hospitals cannot refuse treatment.
:lol:

You'll die miserably regardless
You claimed that a patient would be denied care when that isnt true at all. Above the fray guys usually know that
You don't think they'd have it better chance of receiving real healthcare via someplace like the UK?
Why would I think that?
Because any healthcare debate eventually turns on some kind of nonsense regarding waiting times, death panels etc. (just scroll up to some of CS's posts) from the other side, without addressing adequate care for everyone who needs it, and any real alternative plan ala Chump's and the Rethugs imaginary "Really Awesome Health Plan" that'll exist as soon as they get rid of Obamacare (which really isn't that good either, btw).

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Post by Stapes » Fri Feb 07, 2020 1:19 am

Wut wrote:
Fri Feb 07, 2020 1:17 am
Biker wrote:
Fri Feb 07, 2020 1:15 am
Wut wrote:
Fri Feb 07, 2020 1:14 am
Biker wrote:
Fri Feb 07, 2020 12:47 am
FSchmertz wrote:
Thu Feb 06, 2020 11:36 pm
Charliesheen wrote:
Thu Feb 06, 2020 11:06 pm
True. If you can’t pay extra for US style healthcare, you get filthy hospitals and 6 month delays on what the NHS says is elective; your pain or disabilities be damned.
No, you often don't get any healthcare at all. You may have to "elect" to die from treatable issues.
Nope, US healthcare law states that hospitals cannot refuse treatment.
Isn't that just acute emergency care?

You're not going to show up weekly for free radiation treatments or get a new kidney just because you need one.
No, treatment facilities cannot turn away patients based on ability to pay.
Sorry, I think you're wrong about that.
Yea, that's only for emergencies. You can't pay they kick you out of bed and dump you on the street. Can't afford cancer treatments? You could be out of luck.
Not in the a.m. bro.

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Re: Moving to private healthcare systems

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Post by Biker » Fri Feb 07, 2020 1:21 am

FSchmertz wrote:
Fri Feb 07, 2020 1:18 am
Biker wrote:
Fri Feb 07, 2020 1:12 am
FSchmertz wrote:
Fri Feb 07, 2020 1:10 am
Biker wrote:
Fri Feb 07, 2020 12:51 am
FSchmertz wrote:
Fri Feb 07, 2020 12:49 am
Biker wrote:
Fri Feb 07, 2020 12:47 am


Nope, US healthcare law states that hospitals cannot refuse treatment.
:lol:

You'll die miserably regardless
You claimed that a patient would be denied care when that isnt true at all. Above the fray guys usually know that
You don't think they'd have it better chance of receiving real healthcare via someplace like the UK?
Why would I think that?
Because any healthcare debate eventually turns on some kind of nonsense regarding waiting times, death panels etc. (just scroll up to some of CS's posts) from the other side, without addressing adequate care for everyone who needs it, and any real alternative plan ala Chump's and the Rethugs imaginary "Really Awesome Health Plan" that'll exist as soon as they get rid of Obamacare (which really isn't that good either, btw).
See, I think the ACA is the way to go because it gets the market involved. Not just healthcare stocks, but provider competition as well. If we all believe, and I assume you do, that competition elevates all levels, why wouldnt that be the case in healthcare?

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Re: Moving to private healthcare systems

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Post by Biker » Fri Feb 07, 2020 1:21 am

Stapes wrote:
Fri Feb 07, 2020 1:19 am
Wut wrote:
Fri Feb 07, 2020 1:17 am
Biker wrote:
Fri Feb 07, 2020 1:15 am
Wut wrote:
Fri Feb 07, 2020 1:14 am
Biker wrote:
Fri Feb 07, 2020 12:47 am
FSchmertz wrote:
Thu Feb 06, 2020 11:36 pm
No, you often don't get any healthcare at all. You may have to "elect" to die from treatable issues.
Nope, US healthcare law states that hospitals cannot refuse treatment.
Isn't that just acute emergency care?

You're not going to show up weekly for free radiation treatments or get a new kidney just because you need one.
No, treatment facilities cannot turn away patients based on ability to pay.
Sorry, I think you're wrong about that.
Yea, that's only for emergencies. You can't pay they kick you out of bed and dump you on the street. Can't afford cancer treatments? You could be out of luck.
Nonsense

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