Moving to private healthcare systems

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Re: Moving to private healthcare systems

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Post by AnalHamster » Thu Feb 20, 2020 9:29 am

Biker wrote:
Thu Feb 20, 2020 1:52 am
DandyDon wrote:
Wed Feb 19, 2020 11:24 pm
Biker wrote:
Fri Feb 07, 2020 1:40 am
FSchmertz wrote:
Fri Feb 07, 2020 1:38 am
Biker wrote:
Fri Feb 07, 2020 1:31 am
Stapes wrote:
Fri Feb 07, 2020 1:30 am
The U.S. is the only developed nation without healthcare for all. We cant even discuss it because morons dive right into "oh my god" what about illegals. Every country has their own version that works for them. We could do the same here. Our healthcare doesn't work here. We spend more per capita and get terrible results back. High mortality rates for adults and infants in the richest country in the world. Bankruptcies from getting cancer. My sister just got diagnosed with cancer and has a 9,000 dollar deductible before anything starts getting paid for. And still pays 700 a month. That is untenable for the average smuck.

I've read plenty of articles from US citizens who became UK citizens through marriage or whatever and they are more than happy with the care they get.
You talk as if the illegal immigration number is a trivial amount. Do you not see that as an issue?
I think it's an issue, but it shouldn't be used as a smokescreen hiding the fact that what we have now isn't really working.

We've got to figure out how to get a better bang for our buck, and make healthcare accessible to every citizen.

(note the "citizen" part?)
I agree, it needs improvement but what federal program gives you hope that placing 320 million people on the federal dole will improve care? I just dont see any evidence of that

Medicare for All Would Save U.S. $450 Billion, Prevent Nearly 70,000 Deaths a Year

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanc ... 3/fulltext
Again, there is zero evidence of this
That is just not true, you have the evidence that medicare is more efficient and cheaper within your own mess and you have the evidence of every other developed nation's healthcare system.

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Re: Moving to private healthcare systems

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Post by QillerDaemon » Thu Feb 20, 2020 1:27 pm

Biker wrote:
Fri Feb 07, 2020 1:31 am
Stapes wrote:
Fri Feb 07, 2020 1:30 am
The U.S. is the only developed nation without healthcare for all. We cant even discuss it because morons dive right into "oh my god" what about illegals. Every country has their own version that works for them. We could do the same here. Our healthcare doesn't work here. We spend more per capita and get terrible results back. High mortality rates for adults and infants in the richest country in the world. Bankruptcies from getting cancer. My sister just got diagnosed with cancer and has a 9,000 dollar deductible before anything starts getting paid for. And still pays 700 a month. That is untenable for the average smuck.

I've read plenty of articles from US citizens who became UK citizens through marriage or whatever and they are more than happy with the care they get.
You talk as if the illegal immigration number is a trivial amount. Do you not see that as an issue?
It wouldn't be an issue if certain classes of employers didn't have such a need for illegals just to make their profits. Recently here in Florida, our congress has been debating having employers use the national E-verify system to check on the eligibility of their employee candidates to work. Except the bill explicitly excludes employers in the agriculture businesses, farming in citrus and sugarcane for example. Florida still derives much of its GDP from an agricultural economy, despite tourism and shipping. So guess what industry in Florida hires the most illegals by far? Hint: Disneyworld sure ain't hiring them.

If it weren't for Florida agriculture, we wouldn't have the many illegals ("terk er jerbz!") we have. And our produce wouldn't be as cheap as it is. Beside citrus, Florida is big on tomatoes, melons, strawberries, and fern. And definitely dairy, we're by far the largest dairy state in the south US. And all those industries require illegals to work if those industries want to make a profit, since we can't get US citizens to work at them for the pay. And we don't want to pay more for produce and milk. So an argument could be made that any healthcare system we get also covers illegals, at least to some degree. Using illegals to make a case against a national healthcare system really is a smokescreen.

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/opinion ... story.html
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Re: Moving to private healthcare systems

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Post by DandyDon » Fri Feb 21, 2020 2:37 am

AnalHamster wrote:
Thu Feb 20, 2020 9:29 am
Biker wrote:
Thu Feb 20, 2020 1:52 am
DandyDon wrote:
Wed Feb 19, 2020 11:24 pm
Biker wrote:
Fri Feb 07, 2020 1:40 am
FSchmertz wrote:
Fri Feb 07, 2020 1:38 am
Biker wrote:
Fri Feb 07, 2020 1:31 am


You talk as if the illegal immigration number is a trivial amount. Do you not see that as an issue?
I think it's an issue, but it shouldn't be used as a smokescreen hiding the fact that what we have now isn't really working.

We've got to figure out how to get a better bang for our buck, and make healthcare accessible to every citizen.

(note the "citizen" part?)
I agree, it needs improvement but what federal program gives you hope that placing 320 million people on the federal dole will improve care? I just dont see any evidence of that

Medicare for All Would Save U.S. $450 Billion, Prevent Nearly 70,000 Deaths a Year

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanc ... 3/fulltext
Again, there is zero evidence of this
That is just not true, you have the evidence that medicare is more efficient and cheaper within your own mess and you have the evidence of every other developed nation's healthcare system.
Why would you try and convince biker? He has his money on making all he can on the current Healthcare System. He doesn't want a system that actually takes care of the citizens..

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