Socialism sucks according to Venezuelans
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Re: Socialism sucks according to Venezuelans
I though he was a commie?
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So Bernie is campaigning on seizing the means of production?
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That's not what I asked
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No point in conversing then
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It's a fair question. And if Bernies standing continues to rise in the Democrat party he, and his supporters, are going to have to answer that and other similar questions.
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CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:14 pmIt's a fair question. And if Bernies standing continues to rise in the Democrat party he, and his supporters, are going to have to answer that and other similar questions.
Bernie has been consistent on his policies since Trump was a Democrat.
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“Last night on CNN, Bernie Sanders called me a political hack,” Carville said, according to Hamby. “That’s exactly who the fuck I am! I am a political hack! I am not an ideologue. I am not a purist. He thinks it’s a pejorative. I kinda like it! At least I’m not a communist.”Biker wrote: ↑Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:16 pmYepCHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:14 pmIt's a fair question. And if Bernies standing continues to rise in the Democrat party he, and his supporters, are going to have to answer that and other similar questions.
Even James Carville called him a communist. But I guess he's not a real Democrat either SMDH
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You realise that was 50 years ago right? Try looking at his record in office and what he says today. Go back that far and you were a Democrat.Biker wrote: ↑Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:27 pmBecause he said as much?AnalHamster wrote: ↑Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:25 pmNope. Why would you think he would?
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Pretending you can't distinguish between what someone thought 50 years ago and what they think today, or understand that there can be a difference at all, just makes you look like a retard you know.Biker wrote: ↑Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:32 pmSo when he advocates for nationalization and still identifies as a socialist, he's really just fucking around? GTFOAnalHamster wrote: ↑Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:30 pmYou realise that was 50 years ago right? Try looking at his record in office and what he says today. Go back that far and you were a Democrat.Biker wrote: ↑Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:27 pmBecause he said as much?
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Where is the evidence that he does?Biker wrote: ↑Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:35 pmWhere is the evidence that he still doesnt hold those views?AnalHamster wrote: ↑Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:34 pmPretending you can't distinguish between what someone thought 50 years ago and what they think today, or understand that there can be a difference at all, just makes you look like a retard you know.Biker wrote: ↑Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:32 pmSo when he advocates for nationalization and still identifies as a socialist, he's really just fucking around? GTFOAnalHamster wrote: ↑Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:30 pmYou realise that was 50 years ago right? Try looking at his record in office and what he says today. Go back that far and you were a Democrat.Biker wrote: ↑Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:27 pmBecause he said as much?
https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/14/politics ... index.html
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Something he said half a century ago?Biker wrote: ↑Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:38 pmLook upCaptQuint wrote: ↑Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:37 pmWhere is the evidence that he does?Biker wrote: ↑Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:35 pmWhere is the evidence that he still doesnt hold those views?AnalHamster wrote: ↑Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:34 pmPretending you can't distinguish between what someone thought 50 years ago and what they think today, or understand that there can be a difference at all, just makes you look like a retard you know.Biker wrote: ↑Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:32 pmSo when he advocates for nationalization and still identifies as a socialist, he's really just fucking around? GTFOAnalHamster wrote: ↑Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:30 pm
You realise that was 50 years ago right? Try looking at his record in office and what he says today. Go back that far and you were a Democrat.
“I’ve been around for a long time and it just seems that the economy does better under the Democrats than the Republicans.” Donald J. Trump. Trump said that 16 years ago. According to you he still must believe that correct?
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His policy platform, voting record, writings, speeches and interviews. Are you capable of admitting that you need to go back 50 years to criticise his views, because you aren't criticising his current ones?Biker wrote: ↑Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:35 pmWhere is the evidence that he still doesnt hold those views?AnalHamster wrote: ↑Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:34 pmPretending you can't distinguish between what someone thought 50 years ago and what they think today, or understand that there can be a difference at all, just makes you look like a retard you know.Biker wrote: ↑Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:32 pmSo when he advocates for nationalization and still identifies as a socialist, he's really just fucking around? GTFOAnalHamster wrote: ↑Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:30 pmYou realise that was 50 years ago right? Try looking at his record in office and what he says today. Go back that far and you were a Democrat.Biker wrote: ↑Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:27 pmBecause he said as much?
https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/14/politics ... index.html
Wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing though, my current energy supplier is Electrité de France, it's mostly publicly held and outcompetes the privatised British companies in my area on price and service.
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Bernie is a more successful capitalist than you
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OH BOY!He’d also take steps to eliminate racial discrimination and gentrification, including creating an office in HUD to strengthen rent control and tenant protection and implement fair zoning practices, and establish a National Fair Housing Agency, similar to the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, dedicated to enforcing the Fair Housing Act. A number of initiative would seek to ban discrimination, including passing the Equality Act to include LGBTQ+ Americans in the Fair Housing Act. He’ll also create a commission to establish a financial relief program for victims of predatory lending, mortgage fraud, and redlining.
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Do you seriously think he's going to get elected then say 'ha ha, psyche, I'm really a commie?'
Unless that traitor Moscow Mitch gets removed from the Senate in any case he won't be able to do much more than undo a lot of the damage chump has done. Not all of it though, the next dem POTUS has no constitutional check on his abuse of power. I guess it's just about possible that someone of real integrity, like Bernie, could pursue laws amendments to limit his own power in order to limit how far the traitors in the republican party can go with minority rule. On day one he should announce that he's going wait two months to start using US foreign policy to secure his reelection, send the DOJ after his enemies, pardon himself and his friends, then roll out the laws and amendments he proposes to stop himself or anyone in future doing any of that. There's a slim chance the traitor republicans will go for it with a dem in office.
Unless that traitor Moscow Mitch gets removed from the Senate in any case he won't be able to do much more than undo a lot of the damage chump has done. Not all of it though, the next dem POTUS has no constitutional check on his abuse of power. I guess it's just about possible that someone of real integrity, like Bernie, could pursue laws amendments to limit his own power in order to limit how far the traitors in the republican party can go with minority rule. On day one he should announce that he's going wait two months to start using US foreign policy to secure his reelection, send the DOJ after his enemies, pardon himself and his friends, then roll out the laws and amendments he proposes to stop himself or anyone in future doing any of that. There's a slim chance the traitor republicans will go for it with a dem in office.
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So you can't back the claim you actually made but lack the maturity to admit it? How surprising.Biker wrote: ↑Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:49 pm https://www.curbed.com/2019/9/16/208674 ... using-plan
Now granted, this was from a long time ago, almost 6 months so we need to take that into consideration
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Holy fuck. It's no wonder so many folks in your party are worried he'll hurt the entire brand come November.Biker wrote: ↑Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:49 pm https://www.curbed.com/2019/9/16/208674 ... using-plan
Now granted, this was from a long time ago, almost 6 months so we need to take that into consideration
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If Bernie is elected and implements that the right wingers here will lose the ability to bitch about human shit on the streets of San Francisco
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No it's not, the socialist approach would be the government owning the houses. Something like the statewide rent control Oregon introduced last year with a cap of inflation plus 7% and a 15 year exemption for new builds really isn't socialism. The claim you were looking to prove though was that he's planning to nationalise the energy industry, keep runnin' I guess.Biker wrote: ↑Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:55 pmNational rent control is a socialist staple, dippyAnalHamster wrote: ↑Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:54 pmSo you can't back the claim you actually made but lack the maturity to admit it? How surprising.Biker wrote: ↑Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:49 pm https://www.curbed.com/2019/9/16/208674 ... using-plan
Now granted, this was from a long time ago, almost 6 months so we need to take that into consideration
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He doesn't say the things you say, you cowardly mental midget. The nordic model includes capitalism, it just takes a larger slice in progressive taxation to pay for things like making sure every kid gets a shot at the american dream, something they just undeniably do better over there.Biker wrote: ↑Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:59 pmAt least we got Hammy to put a nice face on it because really, Bernie is just a capitalist at heart. He doesnt really mean the things he saysCHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:57 pmHoly fuck. It's no wonder so many folks in your party are worried he'll hurt the entire brand come November.Biker wrote: ↑Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:49 pm https://www.curbed.com/2019/9/16/208674 ... using-plan
Now granted, this was from a long time ago, almost 6 months so we need to take that into consideration
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What are you claiming I have dodged, you cowardly lying mental midget? I guess dodging with a claim that I dodged something you can't state is the best you can do though.Biker wrote: ↑Fri Feb 14, 2020 4:03 pmNice dodgeAnalHamster wrote: ↑Fri Feb 14, 2020 4:00 pmNo it's not, the socialist approach would be the government owning the houses. Something like the statewide rent control Oregon introduced last year with a cap of inflation plus 7% and a 15 year exemption for new builds really isn't socialism. The claim you were looking to prove though was that he's planning to nationalise the energy industry, keep runnin' I guess.Biker wrote: ↑Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:55 pmNational rent control is a socialist staple, dippyAnalHamster wrote: ↑Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:54 pmSo you can't back the claim you actually made but lack the maturity to admit it? How surprising.Biker wrote: ↑Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:49 pm https://www.curbed.com/2019/9/16/208674 ... using-plan
Now granted, this was from a long time ago, almost 6 months so we need to take that into consideration
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The Oregon thing is statewide rent control, you think that is not relevant to nationwide rent control? It's the model, you dimwit. Bernie's proposal on rent control is the same thing with different figures. Is Oregon now socialist?Biker wrote: ↑Fri Feb 14, 2020 4:06 pmYou cited the Oregon thing, which is not what Bernie proposed. But Im sure he would appreciate the coverAnalHamster wrote: ↑Fri Feb 14, 2020 4:04 pmWhat are you claiming I have dodged, you cowardly lying mental midget? I guess dodging with a claim that I dodged something you can't state is the best you can do though.Biker wrote: ↑Fri Feb 14, 2020 4:03 pmNice dodgeAnalHamster wrote: ↑Fri Feb 14, 2020 4:00 pmNo it's not, the socialist approach would be the government owning the houses. Something like the statewide rent control Oregon introduced last year with a cap of inflation plus 7% and a 15 year exemption for new builds really isn't socialism. The claim you were looking to prove though was that he's planning to nationalise the energy industry, keep runnin' I guess.Biker wrote: ↑Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:55 pmNational rent control is a socialist staple, dippyAnalHamster wrote: ↑Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:54 pm
So you can't back the claim you actually made but lack the maturity to admit it? How surprising.
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Did you read your link?
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