Well we know this is bullshit, but let's run with it.
Socialism sucks according to Venezuelans
Moderator: Biker
- necronomous
- Official UJR Trolling Czar
- Posts: 7948
- Joined: Mon Jan 07, 2019 12:42 pm
- AnalHamster
- Doctor Chaser
- Posts: 6471
- Joined: Tue Jan 08, 2019 7:46 pm
Re: Socialism sucks according to Venezuelans
I have actually, it appears you have not. Would you care to look at it, or is that your cue to run away?Biker wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 5:02 pmHavent read the GOP platform, have ya'?AnalHamster wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 4:56 pm
Not according to the republican party platform, no. That's baby murder.
I've been saying for a while now, the democrats should just abstain, with the single proviso that any anti abortion measures are backdated to after the next election. The republicans are not representing the majority of the country on this or even the majority of their own voters. Let them ban abortion and execute doctors with an abstention, just stick in the single proviso that the country has to vote on a total ban and executing doctors before that becomes law. Fucking landslide. Those sick fucks don't actually believe their own bullshit, it's cynicism for the votes. Let them take the votes they are chasing at the cost of all the others.
https://prod-cdn-static.gop.com/static/ ... 1583439603the platform wrote:The Constitution’s guarantee that no one can
“be deprived of life, liberty or property” deliberately
echoes the Declaration of Independence’s
proclamation that “all” are “endowed by their
Creator” with the inalienable right to life.
Accordingly, we assert the sanctity of human life
and affirm that the unborn child has a fundamental
right to life which cannot be infringed. We support
a human life amendment to the Constitution and
legislation to make clear that the Fourteenth
Amendment’s protections apply to children before
birth
- AnalHamster
- Doctor Chaser
- Posts: 6471
- Joined: Tue Jan 08, 2019 7:46 pm
Re: Socialism sucks according to Venezuelans
I guess that's the last we'll hear from biker on that one.
- CaptQuint
- Biker's Biatch
- Posts: 30361
- Joined: Sun Jan 06, 2019 7:18 pm
Re: Socialism sucks according to Venezuelans
Any damn fool can navigate the world sober. It takes a really good sailor to do it drunk
- AnalHamster
- Doctor Chaser
- Posts: 6471
- Joined: Tue Jan 08, 2019 7:46 pm
Re: Socialism sucks according to Venezuelans
Republicans do like to pretend to take multiple positions on it sure, they are deceptive liars. What that part is though is an explicit statement that fetuses have the same protections as people, that's the fundamental position which can only mean banning abortion altogether, as they are already close to doing in many states. Later in the platform they list specific small changes they support within the current framework, but the kicker is the judges thing, the policy of corrupting the judiciary to ban it by the back door, again as they are close to doing in many states.Biker wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 10:51 pmNo, you just took one snippet of a vague part of the abortion platform. If you read through, you’d see the specifics about the govt should not fund abortions and other similar nuggetsAnalHamster wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 10:44 pm I guess that's the last we'll hear from biker on that one.
Frankly, I’m to the left of my fellow Democrats and actually want the govt to fund abortions to those who cannot afford it
This is why I think the dems should just abstain on any abortion bill the gop want to pass, backdated past the next election. It's not really the gop position, they know the electorate as a majority is not with them, it's just a cynical ploy to get votes from morons. Make 'em own it.
- AnalHamster
- Doctor Chaser
- Posts: 6471
- Joined: Tue Jan 08, 2019 7:46 pm
Re: Socialism sucks according to Venezuelans
You are, as always, kinda ignorant of the facts. Roe was not a partisan decision.Biker wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:04 pmBut that's exactly how we finally got legalized abortion in this country to begin with. Theyre all playing the same game and using the same tacticsAnalHamster wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 10:59 pm but the kicker is the judges thing, the policy of corrupting the judiciary to ban it by the back door, again as they are close to doing in many states.
- CaptQuint
- Biker's Biatch
- Posts: 30361
- Joined: Sun Jan 06, 2019 7:18 pm
Re: Socialism sucks according to Venezuelans
So nonpartisan on the merits of the case?Biker wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:06 pmIt was decided by unelected justicesAnalHamster wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:05 pmYou are, as always, kinda ignorant of the facts. Roe was not a partisan decision.Biker wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:04 pmBut that's exactly how we finally got legalized abortion in this country to begin with. Theyre all playing the same game and using the same tacticsAnalHamster wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 10:59 pm but the kicker is the judges thing, the policy of corrupting the judiciary to ban it by the back door, again as they are close to doing in many states.
Any damn fool can navigate the world sober. It takes a really good sailor to do it drunk
- AnalHamster
- Doctor Chaser
- Posts: 6471
- Joined: Tue Jan 08, 2019 7:46 pm
Re: Socialism sucks according to Venezuelans
Dafuq? Are you unaware of how your constitution works? It was decided 7-2 without a partisan split.Biker wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:06 pmIt was decided by unelected justicesAnalHamster wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:05 pmYou are, as always, kinda ignorant of the facts. Roe was not a partisan decision.Biker wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:04 pmBut that's exactly how we finally got legalized abortion in this country to begin with. Theyre all playing the same game and using the same tacticsAnalHamster wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 10:59 pm but the kicker is the judges thing, the policy of corrupting the judiciary to ban it by the back door, again as they are close to doing in many states.
- CaptQuint
- Biker's Biatch
- Posts: 30361
- Joined: Sun Jan 06, 2019 7:18 pm
Re: Socialism sucks according to Venezuelans
It was decided in court, the highest court in the landBiker wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:11 pmI don't know nor care what the partisanship was, I care that it had to be decided by unelected officials rather than lawmakers. I know you enjoy unelected, European bureaucrats deciding things (or used to decide ) things for the UK, but us Americans hate that sort of thingAnalHamster wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:09 pmDafuq? Are you unaware of how your constitution works? It was decided 7-2 without a partisan split.Biker wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:06 pmIt was decided by unelected justicesAnalHamster wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:05 pmYou are, as always, kinda ignorant of the facts. Roe was not a partisan decision.Biker wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:04 pmBut that's exactly how we finally got legalized abortion in this country to begin with. Theyre all playing the same game and using the same tacticsAnalHamster wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 10:59 pm but the kicker is the judges thing, the policy of corrupting the judiciary to ban it by the back door, again as they are close to doing in many states.
Any damn fool can navigate the world sober. It takes a really good sailor to do it drunk
- AnalHamster
- Doctor Chaser
- Posts: 6471
- Joined: Tue Jan 08, 2019 7:46 pm
Re: Socialism sucks according to Venezuelans
You are really taking ignorance to bizarre levels here. Roe was not a partisan vote, the attempts to overturn it by only appointing justices who will to impose religion on the masses is partisan. We do not have these problems here at all, we settled on the obvious compromise the majority of our electorate and your own electorate support and our religious fringes don't have the political power to overturn that. Do you seriously want to compare abortion politics in the US and UK?Biker wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:11 pmI don't know nor care what the partisanship was, I care that it had to be decided by unelected officials rather than lawmakers. I know you enjoy unelected, European bureaucrats deciding things (or used to decide ) things for the UK, but us Americans hate that sort of thingAnalHamster wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:09 pmDafuq? Are you unaware of how your constitution works? It was decided 7-2 without a partisan split.Biker wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:06 pmIt was decided by unelected justicesAnalHamster wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:05 pmYou are, as always, kinda ignorant of the facts. Roe was not a partisan decision.Biker wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:04 pmBut that's exactly how we finally got legalized abortion in this country to begin with. Theyre all playing the same game and using the same tacticsAnalHamster wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 10:59 pm but the kicker is the judges thing, the policy of corrupting the judiciary to ban it by the back door, again as they are close to doing in many states.
EU politics have zero involvement. Literally none at all.
- AnalHamster
- Doctor Chaser
- Posts: 6471
- Joined: Tue Jan 08, 2019 7:46 pm
Re: Socialism sucks according to Venezuelans
https://constitutionus.com/Biker wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:17 pmAre those justices elected or nah?CaptQuint wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:14 pmIt was decided in court, the highest court in the landBiker wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:11 pmI don't know nor care what the partisanship was, I care that it had to be decided by unelected officials rather than lawmakers. I know you enjoy unelected, European bureaucrats deciding things (or used to decide ) things for the UK, but us Americans hate that sort of thingAnalHamster wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:09 pmDafuq? Are you unaware of how your constitution works? It was decided 7-2 without a partisan split.Biker wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:06 pmIt was decided by unelected justicesAnalHamster wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:05 pm
You are, as always, kinda ignorant of the facts. Roe was not a partisan decision.
Study.
- AnalHamster
- Doctor Chaser
- Posts: 6471
- Joined: Tue Jan 08, 2019 7:46 pm
Re: Socialism sucks according to Venezuelans
No, the UK established a law through the elected legislative body. We didn't need to find new rules in the unwritten constitution because our elected officials dealt with it by writing an actual law.Biker wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:18 pmYoure either being obtuse or ignorant as to not understanding how something like abortion is turned into law without the consent of the elected legislative body. I suppose the UK is used to thatAnalHamster wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:15 pmYou are really taking ignorance to bizarre levels here. Roe was not a partisan vote, the attempts to overturn it by only appointing justices who will to impose religion on the masses is partisan. We do not have these problems here at all, we settled on the obvious compromise the majority of our electorate and your own electorate support and our religious fringes don't have the political power to overturn that. Do you seriously want to compare abortion politics in the US and UK?Biker wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:11 pmI don't know nor care what the partisanship was, I care that it had to be decided by unelected officials rather than lawmakers. I know you enjoy unelected, European bureaucrats deciding things (or used to decide ) things for the UK, but us Americans hate that sort of thingAnalHamster wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:09 pmDafuq? Are you unaware of how your constitution works? It was decided 7-2 without a partisan split.Biker wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:06 pmIt was decided by unelected justicesAnalHamster wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:05 pm
You are, as always, kinda ignorant of the facts. Roe was not a partisan decision.
EU politics have zero involvement. Literally none at all.
The abject failure in the US is not mirrored in the UK. Our political system handled this one. Yours failed, which forced the courts in a bipartisan decision to reflect the will of the people, and the fringe nuts on the religious right have been corrupting the independent judiciary, with your support, ever since. They've finally succeeded and you will be seeing the resulting decisions fairly shortly.
- AnalHamster
- Doctor Chaser
- Posts: 6471
- Joined: Tue Jan 08, 2019 7:46 pm
Re: Socialism sucks according to Venezuelans
It does, up to 24 weeks.Biker wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:27 pmWhy doesn't the UK allow for just abortion on demand?AnalHamster wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:23 pmNo, the UK established a law through the elected legislative body. We didn't need to find new rules in the unwritten constitution because our elected officials dealt with it by writing an actual law.Biker wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:18 pmYoure either being obtuse or ignorant as to not understanding how something like abortion is turned into law without the consent of the elected legislative body. I suppose the UK is used to thatAnalHamster wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:15 pmYou are really taking ignorance to bizarre levels here. Roe was not a partisan vote, the attempts to overturn it by only appointing justices who will to impose religion on the masses is partisan. We do not have these problems here at all, we settled on the obvious compromise the majority of our electorate and your own electorate support and our religious fringes don't have the political power to overturn that. Do you seriously want to compare abortion politics in the US and UK?Biker wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:11 pmI don't know nor care what the partisanship was, I care that it had to be decided by unelected officials rather than lawmakers. I know you enjoy unelected, European bureaucrats deciding things (or used to decide ) things for the UK, but us Americans hate that sort of thingAnalHamster wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:09 pm
Dafuq? Are you unaware of how your constitution works? It was decided 7-2 without a partisan split.
EU politics have zero involvement. Literally none at all.
The abject failure in the US is not mirrored in the UK. Our political system handled this one. Yours failed, which forced the courts in a bipartisan decision to reflect the will of the people, and the fringe nuts on the religious right have been corrupting the independent judiciary, with your support, ever since. They've finally succeeded and you will be seeing the resulting decisions fairly shortly.
- AnalHamster
- Doctor Chaser
- Posts: 6471
- Joined: Tue Jan 08, 2019 7:46 pm
Re: Socialism sucks according to Venezuelans
Any woman can get an abortion up to 24 weeks on demand. This is simply a fact. It is well established in law that forcing a woman to have a baby she simply does not want is causing mental harm to that woman. Stating 'I do not want to have a baby' is therefore fully sufficient. Try to think.
- AnalHamster
- Doctor Chaser
- Posts: 6471
- Joined: Tue Jan 08, 2019 7:46 pm
Re: Socialism sucks according to Venezuelans
Any woman in the UK can get an abortion on demand up to 24 weeks, because of the interpretation that forcing a woman to have a baby she does not want harms her mental health. This is a simple, demonstrable fact. It is reality, you delusional fuckcuck. You may be able to pretend reality isn't real on that side of the pond, but over here it simply is. Are you denying the simple fact of reality?Biker wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 12:00 amAnalHamster wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:52 pm Any woman can get an abortion up to 24 weeks on demand. This is simply a fact. It is well established in law that forcing a woman to have a baby she simply does not want is causing mental harm to that woman. Stating 'I do not want to have a baby' is therefore fully sufficient. Try to think.The Abortion Act states that two doctors must decide ‘in good faith’ whether a woman meets the legal requirements for an abortion.
Read more: https://metro.co.uk/2017/03/13/what-are ... to=cbshare
Twitter: https://twitter.com/MetroUK | Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/MetroUK/
- AnalHamster
- Doctor Chaser
- Posts: 6471
- Joined: Tue Jan 08, 2019 7:46 pm
Re: Socialism sucks according to Venezuelans
So you are too cowardly to answer my simple question because you know what the answer is. Think about that.Biker wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 1:07 amNo need to get defensive, I’m just asking for clarification, for your words here don’t mesh with what has been printedAnalHamster wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 1:01 amAny woman in the UK can get an abortion on demand up to 24 weeks, because of the interpretation that forcing a woman to have a baby she does not want harms her mental health. This is a simple, demonstrable fact. It is reality, you delusional fuckcuck. You may be able to pretend reality isn't real on that side of the pond, but over here it simply is. Are you denying the simple fact of reality?Biker wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 12:00 amAnalHamster wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:52 pm Any woman can get an abortion up to 24 weeks on demand. This is simply a fact. It is well established in law that forcing a woman to have a baby she simply does not want is causing mental harm to that woman. Stating 'I do not want to have a baby' is therefore fully sufficient. Try to think.The Abortion Act states that two doctors must decide ‘in good faith’ whether a woman meets the legal requirements for an abortion.
Read more: https://metro.co.uk/2017/03/13/what-are ... to=cbshare
Twitter: https://twitter.com/MetroUK | Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/MetroUK/