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Socialism sucks according to Venezuelans
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Chump and moscow mitch have ended congressional oversight of the executive branch, chump is now openly abusing his power, and the poor traitorous fools who support him are on the hunt for imaginary communists.
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You just make shit up when you wake in the morning and see what will stick don't you. You're a shitty conspiracy theorist.AnalHamster wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2020 4:13 pm Chump and moscow mitch have ended congressional oversight of the executive branch, chump is now openly abusing his power, and the poor traitorous fools who support him are on the hunt for imaginary communists.
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Do you think congressional oversight was undamaged by the republicans openly betraying their oaths? Do you think chump is not openly abusing his power now by admitting soliciting foreign interference, interfering in criminal trials and pardoning the swamp?
You'll lie of course, you are a traitor. You look damn silly doing it though because the answers are so damn obvious. It would be interesting to find out where the delusion lies, are you incapable of recognising the basic facts or have you distorted them to fit your starting conclusion that you must support chump no matter what. I would be genuinely curious, but you lack the intellect and honesty that would be needed on your part to explore this or any other position.
You'll lie of course, you are a traitor. You look damn silly doing it though because the answers are so damn obvious. It would be interesting to find out where the delusion lies, are you incapable of recognising the basic facts or have you distorted them to fit your starting conclusion that you must support chump no matter what. I would be genuinely curious, but you lack the intellect and honesty that would be needed on your part to explore this or any other position.
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The point of discussing anything with someone so stuck in their own ass is pointless. You have the intellectual honesty of white supremacist.AnalHamster wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2020 4:39 pm Do you think congressional oversight was undamaged by the republicans openly betraying their oaths? Do you think chump is not openly abusing his power now by admitting soliciting foreign interference, interfering in criminal trials and pardoning the swamp?
You'll lie of course, you are a traitor. You look damn silly doing it though because the answers are so damn obvious. It would be interesting to find out where the delusion lies, are you incapable of recognising the basic facts or have your distorted them to fit your starting conclusion that you must support chump no matter what. I would be genuinely curious, but you lack the intellect and honesty that would be needed on your part to explore this or any other position.
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You have again demonstrated that you are a mental midget and a coward. Well done you I guess.necronomous wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2020 5:08 pmThe point of discussing anything with someone so stuck in their own ass is pointless. You have the intellectual honesty of white supremacist.AnalHamster wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2020 4:39 pm Do you think congressional oversight was undamaged by the republicans openly betraying their oaths? Do you think chump is not openly abusing his power now by admitting soliciting foreign interference, interfering in criminal trials and pardoning the swamp?
You'll lie of course, you are a traitor. You look damn silly doing it though because the answers are so damn obvious. It would be interesting to find out where the delusion lies, are you incapable of recognising the basic facts or have your distorted them to fit your starting conclusion that you must support chump no matter what. I would be genuinely curious, but you lack the intellect and honesty that would be needed on your part to explore this or any other position.
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necronomous wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2020 5:08 pmThe point of discussing anything with someone so stuck in their own ass is pointless. You have the intellectual honesty of white supremacist.AnalHamster wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2020 4:39 pm Do you think congressional oversight was undamaged by the republicans openly betraying their oaths? Do you think chump is not openly abusing his power now by admitting soliciting foreign interference, interfering in criminal trials and pardoning the swamp?
You'll lie of course, you are a traitor. You look damn silly doing it though because the answers are so damn obvious. It would be interesting to find out where the delusion lies, are you incapable of recognising the basic facts or have your distorted them to fit your starting conclusion that you must support chump no matter what. I would be genuinely curious, but you lack the intellect and honesty that would be needed on your part to explore this or any other position.
You really are one delusional traitor.
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You have proven you bring nothing to discussions but stupidity. Well done I guessAnalHamster wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2020 5:13 pmYou have again demonstrated that you are a mental midget and a coward. Well done you I guess.necronomous wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2020 5:08 pmThe point of discussing anything with someone so stuck in their own ass is pointless. You have the intellectual honesty of white supremacist.AnalHamster wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2020 4:39 pm Do you think congressional oversight was undamaged by the republicans openly betraying their oaths? Do you think chump is not openly abusing his power now by admitting soliciting foreign interference, interfering in criminal trials and pardoning the swamp?
You'll lie of course, you are a traitor. You look damn silly doing it though because the answers are so damn obvious. It would be interesting to find out where the delusion lies, are you incapable of recognising the basic facts or have your distorted them to fit your starting conclusion that you must support chump no matter what. I would be genuinely curious, but you lack the intellect and honesty that would be needed on your part to explore this or any other position.
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Says the traitorStapes wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2020 5:14 pmnecronomous wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2020 5:08 pmThe point of discussing anything with someone so stuck in their own ass is pointless. You have the intellectual honesty of white supremacist.AnalHamster wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2020 4:39 pm Do you think congressional oversight was undamaged by the republicans openly betraying their oaths? Do you think chump is not openly abusing his power now by admitting soliciting foreign interference, interfering in criminal trials and pardoning the swamp?
You'll lie of course, you are a traitor. You look damn silly doing it though because the answers are so damn obvious. It would be interesting to find out where the delusion lies, are you incapable of recognising the basic facts or have your distorted them to fit your starting conclusion that you must support chump no matter what. I would be genuinely curious, but you lack the intellect and honesty that would be needed on your part to explore this or any other position.
You really are one delusional traitor.
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Isn't it funny when it comes to social programs that help people like social security and medicare the right thinks its a burden and not fiscally possible. Yet they don't blink an eye when billions and trillions go to the military complex and tax giveaways for the uber rich and corporations. Almost like they are profiting somehow. They don't ask me where I prefer my money to go.
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I call him Biker.Biker wrote: ↑Fri Feb 21, 2020 4:55 pmThats quite a strawman you built there. What did you name it?Stapes wrote: ↑Fri Feb 21, 2020 4:22 pm Isn't it funny when it comes to social programs that help people like social security and medicare the right thinks its a burden and not fiscally possible. Yet they don't blink an eye when billions and trillions go to the military complex and tax giveaways for the uber rich and corporations. Almost like they are profiting somehow. They don't ask me where I prefer my money to go.
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Re: Socialism sucks according to Venezuelans
The Sweden per-capita median annual salary of 328.7K SEK / 33.9K USD does edge out the US median per-capita of $33,706. But...
PPP-adjusted median disposable income is 26,672 in the US versus 19,736 in Sweden - 35% higher.
The United States has $65,504 in median net worth, higher than Germany’s $35,313 and Sweden’s $41,582.
Sweden’s lower net worth is despite its 29.9% savings rate compared to US’s 16.9%.
Sweden’s pension is $900 despite having a pension taxation rate of 18.5% plus an employer contribution of 31.42%, whereas the average Social Security payment is $1500 on a combined employer/employee FICA rate of 15.3%.
The Sweden value added tax is 25%.
US homes have an average sqft of 2,169. Sweden single homes are 1300 square feet and apartments 750 square feet on average.
This is despite Sweden having a population density of 57/sq mi, same as Oklahoma. Speaking of Oklahoma, the median home there is $130,000 and 1800 sqft.
Sweden heating oil costs are $4.40 per gallon versus $2.91 per gallon in the US, 33% more.
US food expenses as a percentage of income is 6.4%, almost half that of Sweden’s 12.2%.
There is a 20-year waiting list for rental homes in Stockholm. (Loosening regulations on subletting has relieved the situation a bit.) Building permits are falling despite demand.
US cancer survival rates are better than Sweden’s. This is despite Americans’ relatively poor health coverage, indicating Americans really do have the best health care system in the world by far.
Sweden is struggling to break 1% GDP growth rate.
Sweden has no minimum wage.
Sweden’s unemployment rate is 6.3%, compared to the US 3.5%. While this doesn’t sound bad, the rate is heavily skewered against the young - a youth unemployment rate of 19.7% compared to the US 8.2%. This is a problem in EU countries in general - the future for young adults is bleak.
73% of Swedish feel their country is going in the wrong direction.
The average 25+ millennial in the US spends $285 a month eating out along with a host of other discretionary expenses.
The average Sweden college student graduates with $20,000 in debt. That’s not a typo. While lower than the US $30,000, this puts a serious dent into the “free college” argument. In fact, 85% of Swedish students graduate with debt versus only 50% of American students.
Fewer than 5% of European homes have air conditioning. 85% of US homes have air conditioning.
What about economic mobility? Sweden’s income quintiles are gated by 37.4K SEK/$3,824 USD; 199.5K SEK / $20,396 USD; 311.9K SEK/$31,887.72 USD; 449.4K SEK / $45,904.41 USD. Meaning Swedish wages are so compressed, it takes only $45,900 to enter the top 20%. Virtually all US careers would put you in the top 20% in Sweden.
In comparison, the US household income required to enter the top quintile is ~$126,000 and individuals ~$80,000. Economic mobility is easy when there is no upper middle class.
US carbon emissions dropped 2.9% last year, while Sweden’s carbon emissions increased.
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PPP-adjusted median disposable income is 26,672 in the US versus 19,736 in Sweden - 35% higher.
The United States has $65,504 in median net worth, higher than Germany’s $35,313 and Sweden’s $41,582.
Sweden’s lower net worth is despite its 29.9% savings rate compared to US’s 16.9%.
Sweden’s pension is $900 despite having a pension taxation rate of 18.5% plus an employer contribution of 31.42%, whereas the average Social Security payment is $1500 on a combined employer/employee FICA rate of 15.3%.
The Sweden value added tax is 25%.
US homes have an average sqft of 2,169. Sweden single homes are 1300 square feet and apartments 750 square feet on average.
This is despite Sweden having a population density of 57/sq mi, same as Oklahoma. Speaking of Oklahoma, the median home there is $130,000 and 1800 sqft.
Sweden heating oil costs are $4.40 per gallon versus $2.91 per gallon in the US, 33% more.
US food expenses as a percentage of income is 6.4%, almost half that of Sweden’s 12.2%.
There is a 20-year waiting list for rental homes in Stockholm. (Loosening regulations on subletting has relieved the situation a bit.) Building permits are falling despite demand.
US cancer survival rates are better than Sweden’s. This is despite Americans’ relatively poor health coverage, indicating Americans really do have the best health care system in the world by far.
Sweden is struggling to break 1% GDP growth rate.
Sweden has no minimum wage.
Sweden’s unemployment rate is 6.3%, compared to the US 3.5%. While this doesn’t sound bad, the rate is heavily skewered against the young - a youth unemployment rate of 19.7% compared to the US 8.2%. This is a problem in EU countries in general - the future for young adults is bleak.
73% of Swedish feel their country is going in the wrong direction.
The average 25+ millennial in the US spends $285 a month eating out along with a host of other discretionary expenses.
The average Sweden college student graduates with $20,000 in debt. That’s not a typo. While lower than the US $30,000, this puts a serious dent into the “free college” argument. In fact, 85% of Swedish students graduate with debt versus only 50% of American students.
Fewer than 5% of European homes have air conditioning. 85% of US homes have air conditioning.
What about economic mobility? Sweden’s income quintiles are gated by 37.4K SEK/$3,824 USD; 199.5K SEK / $20,396 USD; 311.9K SEK/$31,887.72 USD; 449.4K SEK / $45,904.41 USD. Meaning Swedish wages are so compressed, it takes only $45,900 to enter the top 20%. Virtually all US careers would put you in the top 20% in Sweden.
In comparison, the US household income required to enter the top quintile is ~$126,000 and individuals ~$80,000. Economic mobility is easy when there is no upper middle class.
US carbon emissions dropped 2.9% last year, while Sweden’s carbon emissions increased.
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Everyone on the left loves them some socialism.
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^^^
Old, racist patriarchal white men. They need to die already.
Sin,
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Sin,
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Check out Bernie's lakeside dacha(sp).
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How opulent. and only $575,000. A beach house in my home town of Manasquan NJ would run you a couple million.
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I'm shocked that you missed the point.
All of you conservatives that fear communism seem to believe that the economies of of communists counties were made that way exclusively by the communists. As though these countries had thriving systems that were driven into the ground by Marxists.
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Wait a second here...are you spudoc, right here and now, defending communism?spudoc wrote: ↑Mon Feb 24, 2020 5:23 pmI'm shocked that you missed the point.
All of you conservatives that fear communism seem to believe that the economies of of communists counties were made that way exclusively by the communists. As though these countries had thriving systems that were driven into the ground by Marxists.
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Not at all. I'm saying that the conditions that led to the rise of communism around the world were consistently not first world or industrialized country conditions. But I will say that to blame communism for persistently underperforming economies is simplistic and almost always out of context.CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 24, 2020 5:27 pmWait a second here...are you spudoc, right here and now, defending communism?spudoc wrote: ↑Mon Feb 24, 2020 5:23 pmI'm shocked that you missed the point.
All of you conservatives that fear communism seem to believe that the economies of of communists counties were made that way exclusively by the communists. As though these countries had thriving systems that were driven into the ground by Marxists.
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When its about Healthcare and education for the people...…...its socialism/communism
When it's tax giveaways to the rich and corporate bailouts. It's just capitalism
When it's tax giveaways to the rich and corporate bailouts. It's just capitalism
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Not according to the republican party platform, no. That's baby murder.
I've been saying for a while now, the democrats should just abstain, with the single proviso that any anti abortion measures are backdated to after the next election. The republicans are not representing the majority of the country on this or even the majority of their own voters. Let them ban abortion and execute doctors with an abstention, just stick in the single proviso that the country has to vote on a total ban and executing doctors before that becomes law. Fucking landslide. Those sick fucks don't actually believe their own bullshit, it's cynicism for the votes. Let them take the votes they are chasing at the cost of all the others.