Socialism sucks according to Venezuelans

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Re: Socialism sucks according to Venezuelans

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Post by CaptQuint » Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:37 pm

Biker wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:35 pm
AnalHamster wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:34 pm
Biker wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:32 pm
AnalHamster wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:30 pm
Biker wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:27 pm
AnalHamster wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:25 pm


Nope. Why would you think he would?
Because he said as much?

https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/14/politics ... index.html
You realise that was 50 years ago right? Try looking at his record in office and what he says today. Go back that far and you were a Democrat.
So when he advocates for nationalization and still identifies as a socialist, he's really just fucking around? GTFO
Pretending you can't distinguish between what someone thought 50 years ago and what they think today, or understand that there can be a difference at all, just makes you look like a retard you know.
Where is the evidence that he still doesnt hold those views?
Where is the evidence that he does?
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Re: Socialism sucks according to Venezuelans

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Post by Biker » Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:38 pm

CaptQuint wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:37 pm
Biker wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:35 pm
AnalHamster wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:34 pm
Biker wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:32 pm
AnalHamster wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:30 pm
Biker wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:27 pm


Because he said as much?

https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/14/politics ... index.html
You realise that was 50 years ago right? Try looking at his record in office and what he says today. Go back that far and you were a Democrat.
So when he advocates for nationalization and still identifies as a socialist, he's really just fucking around? GTFO
Pretending you can't distinguish between what someone thought 50 years ago and what they think today, or understand that there can be a difference at all, just makes you look like a retard you know.
Where is the evidence that he still doesnt hold those views?
Where is the evidence that he does?
Look up

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Re: Socialism sucks according to Venezuelans

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Post by CaptQuint » Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:42 pm

Biker wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:38 pm
CaptQuint wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:37 pm
Biker wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:35 pm
AnalHamster wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:34 pm
Biker wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:32 pm
AnalHamster wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:30 pm


You realise that was 50 years ago right? Try looking at his record in office and what he says today. Go back that far and you were a Democrat.
So when he advocates for nationalization and still identifies as a socialist, he's really just fucking around? GTFO
Pretending you can't distinguish between what someone thought 50 years ago and what they think today, or understand that there can be a difference at all, just makes you look like a retard you know.
Where is the evidence that he still doesnt hold those views?
Where is the evidence that he does?
Look up
Something he said half a century ago?

“I’ve been around for a long time and it just seems that the economy does better under the Democrats than the Republicans.” Donald J. Trump. Trump said that 16 years ago. According to you he still must believe that correct?
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Re: Socialism sucks according to Venezuelans

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Post by Biker » Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:44 pm

CaptQuint wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:42 pm
Biker wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:38 pm
CaptQuint wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:37 pm
Biker wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:35 pm
AnalHamster wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:34 pm
Biker wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:32 pm


So when he advocates for nationalization and still identifies as a socialist, he's really just fucking around? GTFO
Pretending you can't distinguish between what someone thought 50 years ago and what they think today, or understand that there can be a difference at all, just makes you look like a retard you know.
Where is the evidence that he still doesnt hold those views?
Where is the evidence that he does?
Look up
Something he said half a century ago?

“I’ve been around for a long time and it just seems that the economy does better under the Democrats than the Republicans.” Donald J. Trump. Trump said that 16 years ago. According to you he still must believe that correct?
So we need to pretend he never said any of that?

This is going to be a fun election if he gets the nomination. His whole life was one big troll and he's really a capitalist who just wants a few extra in taxes to pay for a couple of little programs. Good luck, commie :lol:

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Re: Socialism sucks according to Venezuelans

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Post by AnalHamster » Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:46 pm

Biker wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:35 pm
AnalHamster wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:34 pm
Biker wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:32 pm
AnalHamster wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:30 pm
Biker wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:27 pm
AnalHamster wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:25 pm


Nope. Why would you think he would?
Because he said as much?

https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/14/politics ... index.html
You realise that was 50 years ago right? Try looking at his record in office and what he says today. Go back that far and you were a Democrat.
So when he advocates for nationalization and still identifies as a socialist, he's really just fucking around? GTFO
Pretending you can't distinguish between what someone thought 50 years ago and what they think today, or understand that there can be a difference at all, just makes you look like a retard you know.
Where is the evidence that he still doesnt hold those views?
His policy platform, voting record, writings, speeches and interviews. Are you capable of admitting that you need to go back 50 years to criticise his views, because you aren't criticising his current ones?

Wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing though, my current energy supplier is Electrité de France, it's mostly publicly held and outcompetes the privatised British companies in my area on price and service.

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Re: Socialism sucks according to Venezuelans

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Post by Biker » Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:48 pm

Bernie the capitalist :lol:

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Re: Socialism sucks according to Venezuelans

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Post by Biker » Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:49 pm

https://www.curbed.com/2019/9/16/208674 ... using-plan

Now granted, this was from a long time ago, almost 6 months so we need to take that into consideration

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Re: Socialism sucks according to Venezuelans

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Post by CaptQuint » Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:51 pm

Biker wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:48 pm
Bernie the capitalist :lol:
Bernie is a more successful capitalist than you
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Re: Socialism sucks according to Venezuelans

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Post by Charliesheen » Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:52 pm

He’d also take steps to eliminate racial discrimination and gentrification, including creating an office in HUD to strengthen rent control and tenant protection and implement fair zoning practices, and establish a National Fair Housing Agency, similar to the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, dedicated to enforcing the Fair Housing Act. A number of initiative would seek to ban discrimination, including passing the Equality Act to include LGBTQ+ Americans in the Fair Housing Act. He’ll also create a commission to establish a financial relief program for victims of predatory lending, mortgage fraud, and redlining.
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Re: Socialism sucks according to Venezuelans

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Post by AnalHamster » Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:53 pm

Do you seriously think he's going to get elected then say 'ha ha, psyche, I'm really a commie?' :lol:

Unless that traitor Moscow Mitch gets removed from the Senate in any case he won't be able to do much more than undo a lot of the damage chump has done. Not all of it though, the next dem POTUS has no constitutional check on his abuse of power. I guess it's just about possible that someone of real integrity, like Bernie, could pursue laws amendments to limit his own power in order to limit how far the traitors in the republican party can go with minority rule. On day one he should announce that he's going wait two months to start using US foreign policy to secure his reelection, send the DOJ after his enemies, pardon himself and his friends, then roll out the laws and amendments he proposes to stop himself or anyone in future doing any of that. There's a slim chance the traitor republicans will go for it with a dem in office.

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Re: Socialism sucks according to Venezuelans

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Post by AnalHamster » Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:54 pm

Biker wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:49 pm
https://www.curbed.com/2019/9/16/208674 ... using-plan

Now granted, this was from a long time ago, almost 6 months so we need to take that into consideration
So you can't back the claim you actually made but lack the maturity to admit it? How surprising.

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Re: Socialism sucks according to Venezuelans

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Post by Biker » Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:55 pm

AnalHamster wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:54 pm
Biker wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:49 pm
https://www.curbed.com/2019/9/16/208674 ... using-plan

Now granted, this was from a long time ago, almost 6 months so we need to take that into consideration
So you can't back the claim you actually made but lack the maturity to admit it? How surprising.
National rent control is a socialist staple, dippy

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Re: Socialism sucks according to Venezuelans

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Post by CHEEZY17 » Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:57 pm

Biker wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:49 pm
https://www.curbed.com/2019/9/16/208674 ... using-plan

Now granted, this was from a long time ago, almost 6 months so we need to take that into consideration
Holy fuck. It's no wonder so many folks in your party are worried he'll hurt the entire brand come November.
“The trouble with Socialism is that eventually you run out of other people’s money.”

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Re: Socialism sucks according to Venezuelans

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Post by CaptQuint » Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:57 pm

If Bernie is elected and implements that the right wingers here will lose the ability to bitch about human shit on the streets of San Francisco
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Re: Socialism sucks according to Venezuelans

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Post by Biker » Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:59 pm

CHEEZY17 wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:57 pm
Biker wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:49 pm
https://www.curbed.com/2019/9/16/208674 ... using-plan

Now granted, this was from a long time ago, almost 6 months so we need to take that into consideration
Holy fuck. It's no wonder so many folks in your party are worried he'll hurt the entire brand come November.
At least we got Hammy to put a nice face on it because really, Bernie is just a capitalist at heart. He doesnt really mean the things he says

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Re: Socialism sucks according to Venezuelans

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Post by AnalHamster » Fri Feb 14, 2020 4:00 pm

Biker wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:55 pm
AnalHamster wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:54 pm
Biker wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:49 pm
https://www.curbed.com/2019/9/16/208674 ... using-plan

Now granted, this was from a long time ago, almost 6 months so we need to take that into consideration
So you can't back the claim you actually made but lack the maturity to admit it? How surprising.
National rent control is a socialist staple, dippy
No it's not, the socialist approach would be the government owning the houses. Something like the statewide rent control Oregon introduced last year with a cap of inflation plus 7% and a 15 year exemption for new builds really isn't socialism. The claim you were looking to prove though was that he's planning to nationalise the energy industry, keep runnin' I guess.

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Re: Socialism sucks according to Venezuelans

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Post by Biker » Fri Feb 14, 2020 4:00 pm

CaptQuint wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:57 pm
If Bernie is elected and implements that the right wingers here will lose the ability to bitch about human shit on the streets of San Francisco
Oh, you think most homelessness is a housing issue. How cute!

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Re: Socialism sucks according to Venezuelans

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Post by AnalHamster » Fri Feb 14, 2020 4:01 pm

Biker wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:59 pm
CHEEZY17 wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:57 pm
Biker wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:49 pm
https://www.curbed.com/2019/9/16/208674 ... using-plan

Now granted, this was from a long time ago, almost 6 months so we need to take that into consideration
Holy fuck. It's no wonder so many folks in your party are worried he'll hurt the entire brand come November.
At least we got Hammy to put a nice face on it because really, Bernie is just a capitalist at heart. He doesnt really mean the things he says
He doesn't say the things you say, you cowardly mental midget. The nordic model includes capitalism, it just takes a larger slice in progressive taxation to pay for things like making sure every kid gets a shot at the american dream, something they just undeniably do better over there.

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Re: Socialism sucks according to Venezuelans

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Post by Biker » Fri Feb 14, 2020 4:03 pm

AnalHamster wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 4:00 pm
Biker wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:55 pm
AnalHamster wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:54 pm
Biker wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:49 pm
https://www.curbed.com/2019/9/16/208674 ... using-plan

Now granted, this was from a long time ago, almost 6 months so we need to take that into consideration
So you can't back the claim you actually made but lack the maturity to admit it? How surprising.
National rent control is a socialist staple, dippy
No it's not, the socialist approach would be the government owning the houses. Something like the statewide rent control Oregon introduced last year with a cap of inflation plus 7% and a 15 year exemption for new builds really isn't socialism. The claim you were looking to prove though was that he's planning to nationalise the energy industry, keep runnin' I guess.
Nice dodge

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Re: Socialism sucks according to Venezuelans

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Post by AnalHamster » Fri Feb 14, 2020 4:04 pm

Biker wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 4:03 pm
AnalHamster wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 4:00 pm
Biker wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:55 pm
AnalHamster wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:54 pm
Biker wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:49 pm
https://www.curbed.com/2019/9/16/208674 ... using-plan

Now granted, this was from a long time ago, almost 6 months so we need to take that into consideration
So you can't back the claim you actually made but lack the maturity to admit it? How surprising.
National rent control is a socialist staple, dippy
No it's not, the socialist approach would be the government owning the houses. Something like the statewide rent control Oregon introduced last year with a cap of inflation plus 7% and a 15 year exemption for new builds really isn't socialism. The claim you were looking to prove though was that he's planning to nationalise the energy industry, keep runnin' I guess.
Nice dodge
What are you claiming I have dodged, you cowardly lying mental midget? I guess dodging with a claim that I dodged something you can't state is the best you can do though.

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Re: Socialism sucks according to Venezuelans

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Post by Biker » Fri Feb 14, 2020 4:06 pm

AnalHamster wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 4:04 pm
Biker wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 4:03 pm
AnalHamster wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 4:00 pm
Biker wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:55 pm
AnalHamster wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:54 pm
Biker wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:49 pm
https://www.curbed.com/2019/9/16/208674 ... using-plan

Now granted, this was from a long time ago, almost 6 months so we need to take that into consideration
So you can't back the claim you actually made but lack the maturity to admit it? How surprising.
National rent control is a socialist staple, dippy
No it's not, the socialist approach would be the government owning the houses. Something like the statewide rent control Oregon introduced last year with a cap of inflation plus 7% and a 15 year exemption for new builds really isn't socialism. The claim you were looking to prove though was that he's planning to nationalise the energy industry, keep runnin' I guess.
Nice dodge
What are you claiming I have dodged, you cowardly lying mental midget? I guess dodging with a claim that I dodged something you can't state is the best you can do though.
You cited the Oregon thing, which is not what Bernie proposed. But Im sure he would appreciate the cover

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Re: Socialism sucks according to Venezuelans

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Post by AnalHamster » Fri Feb 14, 2020 4:10 pm

Biker wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 4:06 pm
AnalHamster wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 4:04 pm
Biker wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 4:03 pm
AnalHamster wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 4:00 pm
Biker wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:55 pm
AnalHamster wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:54 pm


So you can't back the claim you actually made but lack the maturity to admit it? How surprising.
National rent control is a socialist staple, dippy
No it's not, the socialist approach would be the government owning the houses. Something like the statewide rent control Oregon introduced last year with a cap of inflation plus 7% and a 15 year exemption for new builds really isn't socialism. The claim you were looking to prove though was that he's planning to nationalise the energy industry, keep runnin' I guess.
Nice dodge
What are you claiming I have dodged, you cowardly lying mental midget? I guess dodging with a claim that I dodged something you can't state is the best you can do though.
You cited the Oregon thing, which is not what Bernie proposed. But Im sure he would appreciate the cover
The Oregon thing is statewide rent control, you think that is not relevant to nationwide rent control? It's the model, you dimwit. Bernie's proposal on rent control is the same thing with different figures. Is Oregon now socialist?

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Re: Socialism sucks according to Venezuelans

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Post by Biker » Fri Feb 14, 2020 4:12 pm

AnalHamster wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 4:10 pm
Is Oregon now socialist?
Youve never been to Oregon I see :lol:

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Re: Socialism sucks according to Venezuelans

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Post by CaptQuint » Fri Feb 14, 2020 4:13 pm

Biker wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 4:00 pm
CaptQuint wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:57 pm
If Bernie is elected and implements that the right wingers here will lose the ability to bitch about human shit on the streets of San Francisco
Oh, you think most homelessness is a housing issue. How cute!
Did you read your link?
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Re: Socialism sucks according to Venezuelans

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Post by AnalHamster » Fri Feb 14, 2020 4:13 pm

Biker wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 4:12 pm
AnalHamster wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 4:10 pm
Is Oregon now socialist?
Youve never been to Oregon I see :lol:
Fuck no, not really on the tourist trail. So, are you claiming Oregon is a socialist state or not? Perhaps things are only socialist if Bernie does them?

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