Trump asked advisers last week for ‘options’ to attack Iran’s nuclear facilities, says report

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Re: Trump asked advisers last week for ‘options’ to attack Iran’s nuclear facilities, says report

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Flumper wrote: Tue Nov 17, 2020 11:24 pm
Wut wrote: Tue Nov 17, 2020 11:18 pm
Try to understand this:

The agreement got the following results:

Iran agreed to reduce its number of centrifuges — tube-shaped machines that help enrich uranium — by two-thirds. It also agreed to reduce its stockpile of enriched uranium by 98% and limit uranium enrichment to 3.67%.

In other words, Tehran agreed to restrictions that would allow it to have enough enriched uranium to maintain the country's energy needs, without having the ability to build a nuclear bomb.

On top of this, Iran agreed to give access to inspectors from the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), the UN's nuclear watchdog agency, to its nuclear facilities, among other facilities. The IAEA has repeatedly found Iran to be complying with the terms of the pact.


Here’s what’s happened since Trump pulled out of the deal:

Two years after President Donald Trump announced the U.S withdrawal from the Iran nuclear deal, Tehran has resumed its enrichment of uranium, restarted research and development on advanced centrifuges, and expanded its stockpile of nuclear fuel, cutting in half the time it would need to produce enough weapons-grade fuel to build a nuclear bomb.
:lol: Yep. See how easy that is. You can't be that naive.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran ... SKCN1B918E

Iran was playing cat and mouse every minute of every day after that deal obama made.
From that article:

Under the deal, the IAEA can request access to Iranian sites including military ones if it has concerns about activities there that violate the agreement, but it must show Iran the basis for those concerns.

That means new and credible information pointing to such a violation is required first, officials from the agency and major powers say. There is no indication that Washington has presented such information to back up its call for inspections of Iranian military sites.



You just can’t accept that the situation was better under Obama.
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BigRedRetard wrote: Tue Nov 17, 2020 11:57 pm Why do leftists love terrorism?
Why do righties say such stupid shit?
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BigRedRetard wrote: Wed Nov 18, 2020 12:15 am
Wut wrote: Wed Nov 18, 2020 12:08 am
BigRedRetard wrote: Tue Nov 17, 2020 11:57 pm Why do leftists love terrorism?
Why do righties say such stupid shit?
You terrorist bastard!
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Wut wrote: Tue Nov 17, 2020 11:45 pm
Under the deal, the IAEA can request access to Iranian sites including military ones if it has concerns about activities there that violate the agreement, but it must show Iran the basis for those concerns.

That means new and credible information pointing to such a violation is required first, officials from the agency and major powers say. There is no indication that Washington has presented such information to back up its call for inspections of Iranian military sites.



You just can’t accept that the situation was better under Obama.
that is the kind of stupidity that gets us into these hair brained agreements with the complete nut job rogue nations who cause us so much bullshit. How in the literal fuck do you suggest we would gather credible evidence to inspect a military site for nuclear violations if we can't inspect the fucking site to see if there is any evidence? Isn't that the freaking point?

The point of that treaty was supposed to be "hey we will remove your sanctions, but you have to let our inspectors roam freely through your shit to make sure you aren't making any atomic weapons." capiche?
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WASHINGTON — President Trump agreed on Monday to certify again that Iran is complying with an international nuclear agreement that he has strongly criticized, but only after hours of arguing with his top national security advisers, briefly upending a planned announcement as a legal deadline loomed.

Mr. Trump has repeatedly condemned the deal brokered by President Barack Obama as a dangerous capitulation to Iran, but six months into his presidency he has not abandoned it. The decision on Monday was the second time his administration certified Iran’s compliance, and aides said a frustrated Mr. Trump had told his security team that he would not keep doing so indefinitely.

Administration officials announced the certification on Monday evening while emphasizing that they intended to toughen enforcement of the deal, apply new sanctions on Iran for its support of terrorism and other destabilizing activities, and negotiate with European partners to craft a broader strategy to increase pressure on Tehran. Aides said Mr. Trump had insisted on such actions before agreeing to the consensus recommendation of his national security team.

“The president has made very clear that he thought this was a bad deal — a bad deal for the United States,” Sean Spicer, the White House press secretary, told reporters at a briefing on Monday before the decision was made.



By law, the administration is required to notify Congress every 90 days whether Iran is living up to the deal, which limited its nuclear program in exchange for the lifting of many international sanctions. With the latest deadline approaching on Monday, the issue set off a sharp debate between the president and his own team, starting last week, aides said.

At an hourlong meeting last Wednesday, all of the president’s major security advisers recommended he preserve the Iran deal for now. Among those who spoke out were Secretary of State Rex W. Tillerson; Defense Secretary Jim Mattis; Lt. Gen. H. R. McMaster, the national security adviser; and Gen. Joseph F. Dunford Jr., the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, according to an official who described internal discussions on the condition of anonymity. The official said Mr. Trump had spent 55 minutes of the meeting telling them he did not want to.


Mr. Trump did not want to certify Iran’s compliance the first time around either, but was talked into it on the condition that his team come back with a new strategy to confront Tehran, the official said. Last week, advisers told the president they needed more time to work with allies and Congress. Mr. Trump responded that before he would go along, they had to meet certain conditions, said the official, who would not outline what the conditions were.


While Mr. Trump headed to Paris and then spent the weekend in New Jersey, his team developed a strategy that it hoped would satisfy him and planned to notify Congress and make the case publicly on Monday. But even as allies were quietly being informed, Mr. Trump balked when he heard the plan at his morning security briefing, the official said. The argument continued during a separate meeting with Mr. Tillerson as Mr. Trump pressed for more action, the official said.



Suddenly, a background briefing to announce the decision was postponed and Mr. Spicer was sent out to assure reporters that a decision would be coming “very shortly,” while aides scrambled to satisfy Mr. Trump. He agreed only late in the day after a final meeting in the Oval Office, in effect telling his advisers that he was giving them another chance and this time they had to deliver. The announcement was then rescheduled for the early evening and a notice was sent to Congress to continue withholding nuclear-related sanctions against Iran.


Iran's foreign minister, Mohammad Javad Zarif, spoke to The New York Times as he wrapped up a trip to the United States at a time when the nuclear deal — and the economic benefits that it brings to his country — is in limbo.
Under the agreement, the United States can still penalize Iran for behavior such as its development of ballistic missiles or support for terrorism, but it cannot simply reapply the same sanctions that were lifted under a different guise. Iran has the right to appeal to a joint committee and make the argument that the United States is in violation.

European officials have long argued that the agreement was intended only to restrict Iran’s nuclear program, not the panoply of other issues. If the international community were to do more to confront Tehran over its efforts to destabilize neighbors in the Middle East, European officials have said, it would be better to face an Iran without nuclear weapons. They have shown little enthusiasm for revisiting the deal, much less undercutting it.

That Mr. Trump’s actions will satisfy conservatives who have been urging him to rip up the Iran deal seemed unlikely. In a column in The Hill, a Capitol Hill newspaper, John R. Bolton, a former ambassador to the United Nations who has interviewed with the president for several jobs in the administration, argued that the nuclear agreement “remains palpably harmful to American national interests.” Withdrawing from it, he said, “should be the highest priority.”

Israel and its supporters in Washington have also bristled at a new cease-fire in southwest Syria that was brokered by Mr. Trump and President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia, fearing it will leave Iran as a major player on the ground in the six-year civil war. Mr. Spicer said the administration would address that with Israel. “There’s a shared interest that we have with Israel, making sure that Iran does not gain a foothold, military base-wise, in southern Syria,” Mr. Spicer said.

Tehran’s clerical government argues that Mr. Trump has already violated the nuclear agreement by pressuring businesses not to engage with Iran even though the nuclear sanctions have been lifted. “That is violation of not the spirit but of the letter of the J.C.P.O.A. of the nuclear deal,” Mohammad Javad Zarif, Iran’s foreign minister, said on CNN’s “Fareed Zakaria GPS” on Sunday, using the initials for the agreement.

Mr. Zarif, visiting New York, told a gathering of the Council on Foreign Relations on Monday that he has yet to talk with Mr. Tillerson, unlike his frequent conversations with former Secretary of State John Kerry, with whom he negotiated the nuclear accord.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/17/us/p ... rtify.html


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jesus. a nearly 4 year old article? :lol:

It sounds as if the consensus of the liberals is to ease up things with Iran and go back to trusting them. We will see how that goes.

I have trouble keeping up with you guys thinking Trump is soft on rogue states or in bed with them or what.
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Flumper wrote: Wed Nov 18, 2020 2:44 am
Wut wrote: Tue Nov 17, 2020 11:45 pm
Under the deal, the IAEA can request access to Iranian sites including military ones if it has concerns about activities there that violate the agreement, but it must show Iran the basis for those concerns.

That means new and credible information pointing to such a violation is required first, officials from the agency and major powers say. There is no indication that Washington has presented such information to back up its call for inspections of Iranian military sites.



You just can’t accept that the situation was better under Obama.
that is the kind of stupidity that gets us into these hair brained agreements with the complete nut job rogue nations who cause us so much bullshit. How in the literal fuck do you suggest we would gather credible evidence to inspect a military site for nuclear violations if we can't inspect the fucking site to see if there is any evidence? Isn't that the freaking point?

The point of that treaty was supposed to be "hey we will remove your sanctions, but you have to let our inspectors roam freely through your shit to make sure you aren't making any atomic weapons." capiche?
The literal fuck way we would establish it would be through the use of our intelligence assets, including satellites, hackers, spies, etc.

Since you can’t avoid getting personal in a discussion, I’ll return the favor.

You’re too stupid to understand that we have many ways of watching what the fuck they’re up to.
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Wut wrote: Wed Nov 18, 2020 3:45 pm The literal fuck way we would establish it would be through the use of our intelligence assets, including satellites, hackers, spies, etc.

Since you can’t avoid getting personal in a discussion, I’ll return the favor.

You’re too stupid to understand that we have many ways of watching what the fuck they’re up to.
are those the same ways that got us into the war to find those WMD's in iraq? The satellite pictures that Collin Powell showed to the UN? That kind of stuff?
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trump will go to war before the end of the year. there will be bombs dropped somewhere before he is out of office.
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BigRedRetard wrote: Thu Nov 19, 2020 11:03 pm
porky wrote: Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:47 pm trump will go to war before the end of the year. there will be bombs dropped somewhere before he is out of office.
I don't think that will happen. I would like to see some bombs dropped on Iran though.
That is how you start a war.
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pork wrote: Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:47 pm trump will go to war before the end of the year. there will be bombs dropped somewhere before he is out of office.
Do Israeli bombs count?
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Hell yes they do.
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40% of Top Pentagon Positions Empty After Donald Trump's Firing of Mark Esper

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