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Post by Cassandros » Wed Feb 24, 2021 3:03 am

LOL @ "managed by bending the rules".

I have always found it interesting that a business can choose how to run its own show as long as it complies with the Law of the Land... but the inverse isn't also true. The Rights given to use by the Social Contract do not apply and a business can nix them as they see fit. But I digress.

You can make excuses all day long about how its OK for everyone to show proof of vaccination as a requirement for entry for getting groceries. But realize, that is all you are doing. Making excuses. Finding round about justification on why its OK to have this additional layer of control put upon us, and of course it almost all revolves around a flawed notion of 'well we have to do this, so why not that?'

I don't believe an entire school should ban peanuts because one kid might be allergic; more so they should not have to prove to their teacher that their lunch is peanut free. I think that one kid should take the proper precautions for their life. The same is true about vaccines. If you are scared of the disease, you should get your shot. But to force everyone to comply is a tyrants gambit.

Tyranny loves "safety." Its the perfect means to simultaneously dissolve personal responsibility and impose governmental control. Which is all the more reason we should scrutinize the narrative, we need to start to say "hold up" and possibly even "No" to the new normal that's trying to be created.
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Post by Animal » Wed Feb 24, 2021 3:13 am

If you want to hunt you have to have a hunting license. you can hunt without one, but if you get caught the fines are really steep. and there are all kinds of limits on what you can kill. of course you can kill anything you want, but if you get caught you actually might end up in jail. and if you drive to hunt you have to have a drivers license. if you get caught, that is. if you buy any beer, you will have to prove your age. or you could get a fake ID and there again, you just have to make sure you don't get caught. and if you drive on any toll lanes, you will get a bill. you don't have to pay it, but you might get in trouble. oh, and make sure you have insurance if you get stopped. otherwise you might get a ticket. of course you could get it dismissed. as long as its the only one you have had in the past few years. i think they keep 2 years records on that stuff and if you are habitual, oh boy, they can really fine you. and make sure you follow the speed limits. or you could speed, just don't get caught.,,,,,

but, OMG, YOU MEAN I HAVE TO HAVE A VACCINE AGINST A global pandemic virus?? That's violating my rights!!!!
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Post by Cassandros » Wed Feb 24, 2021 3:52 am

Bad examples to justify tyranny are still bad. No matter how often you repeat them.

Do you agree that every kid in a school should be forced to show their lunch to a lunch monitor every day to prove they don't have any banned substances, like peanuts, in their meals under the premise that 'if we don't do this, someone might get sick'?

This is much more in line with what is happening than any of that block of text above.
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Post by Animal » Wed Feb 24, 2021 4:10 am

Cassandros wrote:
Wed Feb 24, 2021 3:52 am
Bad examples to justify tyranny are still bad. No matter how often you repeat them.

Do you agree that every kid in a school should be forced to show their lunch to a lunch monitor every day to prove they don't have any banned substances, like peanuts, in their meals under the premise that 'if we don't do this, someone might get sick'?

This is much more in line with what is happening than any of that block of text above.
actually, if me having a peanut in my possession could possibly float microbes through the air and make you sick, then it would be the same thing.

otherwise, if it was to protect that children can't always be trusted to have the best judgement when sharing lunches and such, then i guess i could see how it might be necessary.

its really not that big of a deal to me. if i had a kid that might die from a peanut allergy, then i would probably be more motivated to care. otherwise, i woulnd't fight it if they wanted it.
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Post by AnalHamster » Wed Feb 24, 2021 5:04 am

You're talking at cross purposes - he's a consiracy nut. You're thinking about the actual issues - the value of a vaccine, the public health benefits of requring vaccination/banning peanuts from schools etc, and he's thinking it's all a sinister plot to gain more power for the baby eating lizards who inhabit hillary clinton. To a conspiracy nut public health measures are all about gaining power for whatever mysterious fantasy group they think run things.

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Post by Cassandros » Thu Feb 25, 2021 1:13 am

Damn, I could have sworn someone early on in this thread told me the covid vaccine wouldn't become an annual event...

Moderna to begin clinical trials of Covid booster shots for variant from South Africa

Two things to say:
1) DAMN that's remarkably fast (though not surprising)
2) Seems like my point on page one has been vindicated; there is no point to track vaccine rollouts when this will be an annual thing... and likely one that few have any choice over.
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Post by Cassandros » Thu Feb 25, 2021 1:14 am

Animal wrote:
Wed Feb 24, 2021 4:10 am
Cassandros wrote:
Wed Feb 24, 2021 3:52 am
Bad examples to justify tyranny are still bad. No matter how often you repeat them.

Do you agree that every kid in a school should be forced to show their lunch to a lunch monitor every day to prove they don't have any banned substances, like peanuts, in their meals under the premise that 'if we don't do this, someone might get sick'?

This is much more in line with what is happening than any of that block of text above.
actually, if me having a peanut in my possession could possibly float microbes through the air and make you sick, then it would be the same thing.

otherwise, if it was to protect that children can't always be trusted to have the best judgement when sharing lunches and such, then i guess i could see how it might be necessary.

its really not that big of a deal to me. if i had a kid that might die from a peanut allergy, then i would probably be more motivated to care. otherwise, i woulnd't fight it if they wanted it.
So you really don't give a shit about needing to show your covid ID to go into a grocery store...

Knowing full well that governments rarely give back power they have taken (especially since covid will never "go away") and understanding there are promising treatments for those who do get extremely sick (lowering the fatality rate to even less than the already >1%), you are fine with having to present your medical data everywhere you go from now until you die...

And you accept this also knowing full well that human error, a computer glitch, or even malice intent can compromise your vaccination record and literally shut life down completely until some bureaucrat or tech guy is able to fix it (if its even fixable)?

You honestly can't imagine a single way this sort of system could be used against you later down the road?
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Post by Animal » Thu Feb 25, 2021 1:21 am

i don't have to show a covid id to buy groceries and I'm sure you don't either. and no, i'm not afraid that the government will impose things and then never take them back. just like i don't expect that I will have to wear a mask to go into a home depot in a year or so.

everything you speculate on is just that. speculation and conspiracy. the moderna "booster" isn't an annual shot. its a booster shot that they are "testing" to see if it might be necessary against this new strain. It's not some crystal ball prediction that you made on page 1.
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Post by Cassandros » Thu Feb 25, 2021 2:16 am

Animal wrote:
Thu Feb 25, 2021 1:21 am
i don't have to show a covid id to buy groceries and I'm sure you don't either. and no, i'm not afraid that the government will impose things and then never take them back. just like i don't expect that I will have to wear a mask to go into a home depot in a year or so.

everything you speculate on is just that. speculation and conspiracy. the moderna "booster" isn't an annual shot. its a booster shot that they are "testing" to see if it might be necessary against this new strain. It's not some crystal ball prediction that you made on page 1.
Of course this is (educated) speculation.

Looking at whats happening around you, trying to read between the lines, and thinking about the what's being said and done by the people in power --> is not being some "nut". In fact, its the exact opposite. And I imagine this Country (and World) as a whole would be a lot better place for it if more people did the same.

The whole back and forth between you and I has been me saying 'there is a good chance covid will not go away, that you will need boosters annually, and in addition to that you will need a covid passport, not just for international travel but to conduct your day to day life. That's dangerous and people should think about this and speak up if they don't like that idea.' ...And you making excuses and justifications on why its OK for such a situation.

So, tell me, considering how well treatments are coming along, and how human error, a computer glitch, or even malice intent can compromise your ability to live your life with such a system in place: Do you really not give a shit about a real possibility that someday in the not so distant future you will be required to show/scan your covid ID every time you go to the store??
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Post by Animal » Thu Feb 25, 2021 2:27 am

unlike you, i don't anticipate that i will ever have to scan a covid id card in order to go in a store. now, if i want to get inside an aluminum tube and sit inches away from other people for several hours, then, yeah, i can certainly see it in that scenario. at least until we get to some level of herd immunity through vaccinations. i can see cruise ships starting back up with vaccinated passengers only. or movie theaters doing that. you know, the kind of places where you sit for extended periods of time next to strangers.

not like a grocery store or home depot where you never stand next to the same person for more than a few seconds and social distancing is easily possible. i'm looking at this through the lens of a business owner and things that "I" would do if my business was impacted by social distance constraints. I would damn sure open back up to vaccine only and not give any fucks about who thought it was an invasion of their rights.
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Post by Cassandros » Thu Feb 25, 2021 2:51 am

Animal wrote:
Thu Feb 25, 2021 2:27 am
unlike you, i don't anticipate that i will ever have to scan a covid id card in order to go in a store. now, if i want to get inside an aluminum tube and sit inches away from other people for several hours, then, yeah, i can certainly see it in that scenario. at least until we get to some level of herd immunity through vaccinations. i can see cruise ships starting back up with vaccinated passengers only. or movie theaters doing that. you know, the kind of places where you sit for extended periods of time next to strangers.

not like a grocery store or home depot where you never stand next to the same person for more than a few seconds and social distancing is easily possible. i'm looking at this through the lens of a business owner and things that "I" would do if my business was impacted by social distance constraints. I would damn sure open back up to vaccine only and not give any fucks about who thought it was an invasion of their rights.
All that is reasonable, and if the people in power were openly charting that course I wouldn't worry much. But that is simply not the case.

Instead of looking though the lens of a business owner --> You need to look at this through the lens of a person of power.

I have posted in this thread several links to articles where they say point blank that you 'may need a vaccine passport to go to the grocery store.'
Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab said the government hasn’t “ruled out” requiring proof of vaccination in order to get into stores.
THAT is why I bring this up and why the discussion should be happening. Before such a thing happens.

Because if you wait until after --> then its already too late.
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Post by Animal » Thu Feb 25, 2021 3:21 am

Cassandros wrote:
Thu Feb 25, 2021 2:51 am
Animal wrote:
Thu Feb 25, 2021 2:27 am
unlike you, i don't anticipate that i will ever have to scan a covid id card in order to go in a store. now, if i want to get inside an aluminum tube and sit inches away from other people for several hours, then, yeah, i can certainly see it in that scenario. at least until we get to some level of herd immunity through vaccinations. i can see cruise ships starting back up with vaccinated passengers only. or movie theaters doing that. you know, the kind of places where you sit for extended periods of time next to strangers.

not like a grocery store or home depot where you never stand next to the same person for more than a few seconds and social distancing is easily possible. i'm looking at this through the lens of a business owner and things that "I" would do if my business was impacted by social distance constraints. I would damn sure open back up to vaccine only and not give any fucks about who thought it was an invasion of their rights.
All that is reasonable, and if the people in power were openly charting that course I wouldn't worry much. But that is simply not the case.

Instead of looking though the lens of a business owner --> You need to look at this through the lens of a person of power.

I have posted in this thread several links to articles where they say point blank that you 'may need a vaccine passport to go to the grocery store.'
Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab said the government hasn’t “ruled out” requiring proof of vaccination in order to get into stores.
THAT is why I bring this up and why the discussion should be happening. Before such a thing happens.

Because if you wait until after --> then its already too late.
well, i am a business owner, so that's how my brain is wired. and any business owner would do the same thing because waiting too late in that circumstance means you lose everything.

i assume you have some type of job security during this pandemic? you work for someone who is making sure the paycheck keeps coming? and whatever business yall are in isn't affected by lost customers because of social distance problems?
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Post by Cassandros » Thu Feb 25, 2021 4:02 am

Animal wrote:
Thu Feb 25, 2021 3:21 am
Cassandros wrote:
Thu Feb 25, 2021 2:51 am
Animal wrote:
Thu Feb 25, 2021 2:27 am
unlike you, i don't anticipate that i will ever have to scan a covid id card in order to go in a store. now, if i want to get inside an aluminum tube and sit inches away from other people for several hours, then, yeah, i can certainly see it in that scenario. at least until we get to some level of herd immunity through vaccinations. i can see cruise ships starting back up with vaccinated passengers only. or movie theaters doing that. you know, the kind of places where you sit for extended periods of time next to strangers.

not like a grocery store or home depot where you never stand next to the same person for more than a few seconds and social distancing is easily possible. i'm looking at this through the lens of a business owner and things that "I" would do if my business was impacted by social distance constraints. I would damn sure open back up to vaccine only and not give any fucks about who thought it was an invasion of their rights.
All that is reasonable, and if the people in power were openly charting that course I wouldn't worry much. But that is simply not the case.

Instead of looking though the lens of a business owner --> You need to look at this through the lens of a person of power.

I have posted in this thread several links to articles where they say point blank that you 'may need a vaccine passport to go to the grocery store.'
Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab said the government hasn’t “ruled out” requiring proof of vaccination in order to get into stores.
THAT is why I bring this up and why the discussion should be happening. Before such a thing happens.

Because if you wait until after --> then its already too late.
well, i am a business owner, so that's how my brain is wired. and any business owner would do the same thing because waiting too late in that circumstance means you lose everything.

i assume you have some type of job security during this pandemic? you work for someone who is making sure the paycheck keeps coming? and whatever business yall are in isn't affected by lost customers because of social distance problems?
Which makes sense. Its easy for people to focus on what is in front of them, to make the moves that are best for their business (employees, customers), and assume that those in the arenas of power think, more or less, in similar fashion.

But there is ample evidence that shows that isn't likely the case. We should all know by now --> power corrupts.

Again, its about getting people to consider the possibility that those in power are more than willing to use the pandemic as a means to expand their power (under the guise of national/health security). It should also be noted I have only taken their words and their actions as the motivator in this discussion.

To answer your question I do fine (and no, I'm not on a government tit). Not at all sure why my employment status is relevant though.

The bottom line is simple.

If you don't like the idea of needing to show your medical papers before going to the store, then you should be alert to that narrative and be ready to say "no" if/when that time comes. Its much easier to stop the government (or big business, whatever) from expanding its power than having them 'give it back' later.
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Cassandros wrote:
Thu Feb 25, 2021 1:13 am
Damn, I could have sworn someone early on in this thread told me the covid vaccine wouldn't become an annual event...

Moderna to begin clinical trials of Covid booster shots for variant from South Africa

Two things to say:
1) DAMN that's remarkably fast (though not surprising)
2) Seems like my point on page one has been vindicated; there is no point to track vaccine rollouts when this will be an annual thing... and likely one that few have any choice over.
And the funny thing? Liberals will be cheering for this, the same bunch that a mere 10 years ago despised Big Pharma. Now theyre simping for them. Good stuff :lol:
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Post by Cassandros » Fri Feb 26, 2021 1:42 am

Fear is a powerful tool.
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Post by Animal » Fri Feb 26, 2021 3:33 pm

:lol: We need Who to come in and explain how deficits work. What a joke.
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Post by Who » Fri Feb 26, 2021 4:02 pm

Whom the hell is congressman mike johnson?

I’ll need this fact checked please
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Post by Animal » Sat Mar 06, 2021 1:11 am

Now, I am all for Biden's claim that every adult in the US can get a vaccine by the end of May 2021. But I am having trouble with the math.

I know the J&J vaccine messes up the numbers just a bit since it is a 1 dose vaccine, but they don't have much of it, so just for simplicity let's say it takes 2 shots.

There are 210,000,000 adults in the US. As of today, there have been 85,000,000 shots given in the US. Now, to vaccinate 210,000,000 it would take 420,000,000 total shots. Subtract the 85,000,000 already given and you need to give 335,000,000 more shots to vaccinate all of the adults. There are a little less than 90 days left between now and May 31. So, if you divide 335,000,000 by those 90 days you get around 3.71 million vaccines per day.

Right now we are at almost exactly 2 million vaccines per day. So, to AVERAGE 3.71 million in the next 90 days, you would think we would have to end up at about 5.5 million per day by the end of May. I just don't see how that is possible.
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Irrelevant old man wants to be relevant again:

“I hope everyone remembers when they’re getting the COVID-19 (often referred to as the China Virus) Vaccine, that if I wasn’t President, you wouldn’t be getting that beautiful ‘shot’ for 5 years, at best, and probably wouldn’t be getting it at all,” the ex-president said in a statement released by his office Wednesday evening. “I hope everyone remembers!”
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Post by Animal » Thu Mar 11, 2021 1:19 am

Texas is opening up their vaccines to people 50 years old and older now. I am still not following why we rank #47 out of 50 of the states in % of people vaccinated. It seems like it is going like clockwork. I guess that just goes to show how much better it must be going in all the other states.
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Post by Animal » Mon Mar 15, 2021 1:05 am

I got my 2nd dose of Moderna this morning. Then worked all day building a saloon/gun range on some property. So far I couldn't tell you I even had a shot today, other than I remember doing it this morning.
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