We Should Be Very Worried About Joe Biden’s “Domestic Terrorism” Bill

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We Should Be Very Worried About Joe Biden’s “Domestic Terrorism” Bill

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Post by Cassandros » Wed Jan 27, 2021 1:21 am

Nearly two decades since its initial passage in the aftermath of the 9/11 attacks, the Patriot Act has continued to linger in our collective memory. Though few Americans probably remember much about its provisions or specifics, the Bush-era legislation long ago entered into general usage as an synonym for heavy-handed domestic surveillance and institutional overreach — the words “Patriot Act” now being practically synonymous with secrecy, eavesdropping, and the rolling back of civil liberties under the intentionally broad guise of “national security.”

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Ahead of the nearly unanimous October 25, 2001, Senate vote on the Patriot Act, Joe Biden was regularly claiming the law as his own, boasting in an interview with the New Republic: “I drafted a terrorism bill after the Oklahoma City bombing. And the bill John Ashcroft sent up was my bill.” Biden wasn’t wrong. In fact, key parts of the Bush administration’s signature national security law were drawn from provisions contained in Biden’s own 1995 anti-terrorism bill. Originally called the Omnibus Counterterrorism Act, Jacobin’s Branco Marcetic summarized it contents as follows:
The bill made “terrorism” a new federal crime, allowed those charged with terrorism to be automatically detained before trial, outlawed donations to government-designated terrorist groups, allowed electronic surveillance of suspected terrorists, and created a special court to deport noncitizens accused of terrorism (ironically, when Bush had proposed a similar measure years before, Biden had denounced it as “the very antithesis of our legal system”). It also let the government use evidence from secret sources in those trials.
Calling the Patriot Act “measured and prudent” during an approving speech on the Senate floor, Biden would nonetheless lament the removal of sections from his 1995 bill that would have given police even more sweeping powers of surveillance.

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However such legislation may be justified with liberal-sounding language, there’s absolutely no reason to believe authorities wouldn’t use new powers to target groups that have nothing to do with Donald Trump or Trumpism. Police almost certainly infiltrated Black Lives Matter protests last summer, and American law enforcement has a long and ignominious history of targeting progressive groups — not to mention socialists, trade unions, and civil rights activists. As this history suggests, the premise behind any new anti-terrorism law will also be wrong on its face: the American state hardly faces excessive restrictions on its capacity to surveil, discipline, and punish. (The FBI, to take an obvious example, already possesses considerable power to investigate groups suspected of extremist activity.)

Read the whole article here. Worth it.
Realize this sort of power won't just be used on 'the other side' --> it will be used against YOU.
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Post by Stapes » Wed Jan 27, 2021 1:44 am

I really think he would get so much push back on something like that from the left and the right it really won't get traction. The administration would get sued from every angle starting with the ACLU.
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Post by AnalHamster » Thu Jan 28, 2021 12:02 pm

You think that covid is a man made virus made by fauci. You're a conspiracy nut. Nothing you say without solid evidence should be seriously looked at.

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Post by Cassandros » Fri Jan 29, 2021 1:48 am

Shit, even if I thought the moon was made of cheese --> it has no relevance to this Domestic Terror Bill.

If this bill passes, and there is a lot of media fear mongering right now about 'domestic terror' to help gain public support for it, the entire Country is fucked. Read the article I posted and its very clear that every American will lose (red & blue) should this pass.

No one has to take my word for anything, my links are solid.

(Which is exactly why you are attempting this pathetically weak ass diversion play in hopes that people won't look at the material that directly affects them; as opposed to challenging the material itself. Disgraceful behavior analhamster. Absolutely Disgraceful. But certainly par for course).
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Post by Biker » Fri Jan 29, 2021 3:30 pm

Cassandros wrote:
Fri Jan 29, 2021 1:48 am
Shit, even if I thought the moon was made of cheese --> it has no relevance to this Domestic Terror Bill.

If this bill passes, and there is a lot of media fear mongering right now about 'domestic terror' to help gain public support for it, the entire Country is fucked. Read the article I posted and its very clear that every American will lose (red & blue) should this pass.

No one has to take my word for anything, my links are solid.

(Which is exactly why you are attempting this pathetically weak ass diversion play in hopes that people won't look at the material that directly affects them; as opposed to challenging the material itself. Disgraceful behavior analhamster. Absolutely Disgraceful. But certainly par for course).
You need to understand that Hammy lives in a country where civil liberties and government intrusion into people's lives is considered patriotic. He simply cannot understand why any of this is an issue
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Post by Cassandros » Tue Mar 23, 2021 1:40 am

Two spree killings back to back... Oy!

Odds are high the media is going to start a serious 'pro-domestic terror bill' push in the not too distant future.
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Post by Animal » Tue Mar 23, 2021 1:54 am

just when powder and primers were finally starting to show up in small quantities. fuck.
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Post by Reservoir Dog » Tue Mar 23, 2021 1:58 am

Is this the QAnon thread?
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Post by Cassandros » Tue Mar 23, 2021 2:02 am

Reservoir Dog wrote:
Tue Mar 23, 2021 1:58 am
Is this the QAnon thread?
Obviously no...

So, why ask an utter bullshit question???

Especially in a thread about a bill as treacherous as this.
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Post by Biker » Tue Mar 23, 2021 2:07 am

Cassandros wrote:
Tue Mar 23, 2021 2:02 am
Reservoir Dog wrote:
Tue Mar 23, 2021 1:58 am
Is this the QAnon thread?
Obviously no...

So, why ask an utter bullshit question???

Especially in a thread about a bill as treacherous as this.
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Post by Reservoir Dog » Tue Mar 23, 2021 2:10 am

Cassandros wrote:
Tue Mar 23, 2021 2:02 am
Reservoir Dog wrote:
Tue Mar 23, 2021 1:58 am
Is this the QAnon thread?
Obviously no...

So, why ask an utter bullshit question???

Especially in a thread about a bill as treacherous as this.
What bill?
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Post by Cassandros » Tue Mar 23, 2021 2:29 am

Reservoir Dog wrote:
Tue Mar 23, 2021 2:10 am
Cassandros wrote:
Tue Mar 23, 2021 2:02 am
Reservoir Dog wrote:
Tue Mar 23, 2021 1:58 am
Is this the QAnon thread?
Obviously no...

So, why ask an utter bullshit question???

Especially in a thread about a bill as treacherous as this.
What bill?
The current domestic terror bill sitting in Congress right now.

This might come as a shock to you --> but all this info is in the first post.

Worth a read, if you like to be informed on how the government aims to fuck you and me over.
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Post by Reservoir Dog » Tue Mar 23, 2021 2:43 am

Cassandros wrote:
Tue Mar 23, 2021 2:29 am
Reservoir Dog wrote:
Tue Mar 23, 2021 2:10 am
Cassandros wrote:
Tue Mar 23, 2021 2:02 am
Reservoir Dog wrote:
Tue Mar 23, 2021 1:58 am
Is this the QAnon thread?
Obviously no...

So, why ask an utter bullshit question???

Especially in a thread about a bill as treacherous as this.
What bill?
The current domestic terror bill sitting in Congress right now.

This might come as a shock to you --> but all this info is in the first post.

Worth a read, if you like to be informed on how the government aims to fuck you and me over.
Your article is full of hypotheticals. Biden ordered the existing law to be reviewed. But there is no new bill.
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Post by Cassandros » Tue Mar 23, 2021 2:52 am

Reservoir Dog wrote:
Tue Mar 23, 2021 2:43 am
Cassandros wrote:
Tue Mar 23, 2021 2:29 am
Reservoir Dog wrote:
Tue Mar 23, 2021 2:10 am
Cassandros wrote:
Tue Mar 23, 2021 2:02 am
Reservoir Dog wrote:
Tue Mar 23, 2021 1:58 am
Is this the QAnon thread?
Obviously no...

So, why ask an utter bullshit question???

Especially in a thread about a bill as treacherous as this.
What bill?
The current domestic terror bill sitting in Congress right now.

This might come as a shock to you --> but all this info is in the first post.

Worth a read, if you like to be informed on how the government aims to fuck you and me over.
Your article is full of hypotheticals. Biden ordered the existing law to be reviewed. But there is no new bill.
Is this wishful thinking or outright ignorance on your part?

Either way, you are mistaken: H.R.350 - Domestic Terrorism Prevention Act of 2021

Those 'hypotheticals' come from the language used in this bill. This is not a partisan issue.
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Post by Reservoir Dog » Tue Mar 23, 2021 2:58 am

Cassandros wrote:
Tue Mar 23, 2021 2:52 am
Reservoir Dog wrote:
Tue Mar 23, 2021 2:43 am
Cassandros wrote:
Tue Mar 23, 2021 2:29 am
Reservoir Dog wrote:
Tue Mar 23, 2021 2:10 am
Cassandros wrote:
Tue Mar 23, 2021 2:02 am
Reservoir Dog wrote:
Tue Mar 23, 2021 1:58 am
Is this the QAnon thread?
Obviously no...

So, why ask an utter bullshit question???

Especially in a thread about a bill as treacherous as this.
What bill?
The current domestic terror bill sitting in Congress right now.

This might come as a shock to you --> but all this info is in the first post.

Worth a read, if you like to be informed on how the government aims to fuck you and me over.
Your article is full of hypotheticals. Biden ordered the existing law to be reviewed. But there is no new bill.
Is this wishful thinking or outright ignorance on your part?

Either way, you are mistaken: H.R.350 - Domestic Terrorism Prevention Act of 2021

Those 'hypotheticals' come from the language used in this bill. This is not a partisan issue.
Dude, read your link. That bill involves surveillance of domestic terrorist activity only. It has nothing to do with law enforcement entering your house without a warrant.
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Post by Cassandros » Tue Mar 23, 2021 3:11 am

Reservoir Dog wrote:
Tue Mar 23, 2021 2:58 am
Cassandros wrote:
Tue Mar 23, 2021 2:52 am
Reservoir Dog wrote:
Tue Mar 23, 2021 2:43 am
Cassandros wrote:
Tue Mar 23, 2021 2:29 am
Reservoir Dog wrote:
Tue Mar 23, 2021 2:10 am
Cassandros wrote:
Tue Mar 23, 2021 2:02 am


Obviously no...

So, why ask an utter bullshit question???

Especially in a thread about a bill as treacherous as this.
What bill?
The current domestic terror bill sitting in Congress right now.

This might come as a shock to you --> but all this info is in the first post.

Worth a read, if you like to be informed on how the government aims to fuck you and me over.
Your article is full of hypotheticals. Biden ordered the existing law to be reviewed. But there is no new bill.
Is this wishful thinking or outright ignorance on your part?

Either way, you are mistaken: H.R.350 - Domestic Terrorism Prevention Act of 2021

Those 'hypotheticals' come from the language used in this bill. This is not a partisan issue.
Dude, read your link. That bill involves surveillance of domestic terrorist activity only. It has nothing to do with law enforcement entering your house without a warrant.
Very astute.

Two different threads, two different issues.

Same overall problem for Americans in both topics.
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Post by Cassandros » Sun Apr 04, 2021 10:35 pm

Biden Steps Up Federal Efforts to Combat Domestic Extremism

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WASHINGTON — The Biden administration is stepping up efforts to combat domestic extremism, increasing funding to prevent attacks, weighing strategies historically used against foreign terrorist groups and more openly warning the public about the threat.
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The Homeland Security Department has begun a review of how it handles domestic extremism. For the first time this year, the department designated domestic extremism as a “national priority area,” requiring that 7.5 percent of the billions in grant funds be spent on combating it.
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And in related news:
March 29, 2021 1:15PM
“Domestic Terrorism Prevention Act” Gains Steam

’m not aware of a piece of legislation that has ever actually prevented an attack of any kind, but that’s not stopping Rep. Brad Schneider (D-IL), who earlier this Congressional session reintroduced his Domestic Terrorism Prevention Act (H.R. 350). And contrary to a Bloomberg Government story out today suggesting that “lawmakers aren’t likely to pursue expanded powers to fight the domestic threat any time soon”, Schneider’s bill has gained tremendous momentum in the House in the nearly three months since the Capitol Insurrection on January 6.

Just last week, the bill picked up 22 new cosponsors, bringing the total supporting it to 166, including Republicans Fred Upton (MI-6), Don Bacon (NE-2), and Brian Fitzpatrick (PA-1). Of particular note is the number of House Democratic committee chairs on the bill: DeLauro (Appropriations), Pallone (E & C), Meeks (Foreign Affairs), Nadler (Judiciary), Maloney (Oversight & Government Reform), Thompson (Homeland Security), DeFazio (T & I), and McGovern (Rules).

To be fair, Schneider’s legislation is not–at least in its current form–quite the Constitutionally invasive monster the PATRIOT Act has been over the last two decades. Even so, it has the potential to spawn expanded domestic surveillance activities by law enforcement and intelligence elements of the Departments of Justice and Homeland Security.
Bad times.

Red and blue, that bill is bad news for Americans.
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Post by FSchmertz » Sun Apr 04, 2021 11:49 pm

I have all kinds of problems with stuff created by government post-9/11

Secret warrants with little or no judicial oversight and mandatory gag orders have always made me nervous. Way too easy for government abuse.

"National Security Letters"? Should be an oxymoron because they make me insecure just thinking about them. :shifty:

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