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CaptQuint wrote: Mon Apr 19, 2021 7:47 pm
Animal wrote: Mon Apr 19, 2021 7:41 pm and hillary could have won and pushed the Garland nomination. You can play the "could have" game all day. The point is that every single one of these guys try to bend the rules to favor their wanted outcome. Biden did it the same as McConnell did it.
Biden didn't do it as there was no Supreme Court vacancy at the time of that speech. But please continue to display your lack of knowledge and epic McConnell ballwashing, you dumb cowboy.
i'm pretty sure i have plenty of knowledge on the subject of what he was hypothesizing about. Its only a 6 minute speech. Learn away, stupid.

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Animal wrote: Mon Apr 19, 2021 7:54 pm
CaptQuint wrote: Mon Apr 19, 2021 7:47 pm
Animal wrote: Mon Apr 19, 2021 7:41 pm and hillary could have won and pushed the Garland nomination. You can play the "could have" game all day. The point is that every single one of these guys try to bend the rules to favor their wanted outcome. Biden did it the same as McConnell did it.
Biden didn't do it as there was no Supreme Court vacancy at the time of that speech. But please continue to display your lack of knowledge and epic McConnell ballwashing, you dumb cowboy.
i'm pretty sure i have plenty of knowledge on the subject of what he was hypothesizing about. Its only a 6 minute speech. Learn away, stupid.

So Biden didn't do what McConnell did like you claimed, got it
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Poor Merrick Garland :lol:
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Just what a Democrat would say
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CaptQuint wrote: Mon Apr 19, 2021 7:55 pm So Biden didn't do what McConnell did like you claimed, got it
what in the fuck? you are saying that Biden says shit that he doesn't intend to do? Was he just popping off in front of the senate? Or do you think its possible that he was trying to go on record ahead of an event that he thought might happen? Jesus, what a tedious hair splitting fuck you are.
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Biker wrote: Mon Apr 19, 2021 7:55 pm Poor Merrick Garland :lol:
at least he gets to be attorney general and show us how he knows absolutely nothing about what an AR pistol is.
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Animal wrote: Mon Apr 19, 2021 7:58 pm
CaptQuint wrote: Mon Apr 19, 2021 7:55 pm So Biden didn't do what McConnell did like you claimed, got it
what in the fuck? you are saying that Biden says shit that he doesn't intend to do? Was he just popping off in front of the senate? Or do you think its possible that he was trying to go on record ahead of an event that he thought might happen? Jesus, what a tedious hair splitting fuck you are.
There was no Justice to replace, that isn't splitting hairs you dumb cowboy. It's a fact. And he said Bush could nominate and have a vote on his Justice. That didn't happen with Obama and Garland.
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Couldn’t be any more clear.
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Charliesheen wrote: Mon Apr 19, 2021 8:08 pm 1:45

Couldn’t be any more clear.
Nonetheless, Biden took to the floor in a speech addressing the Senate president to urge delay if a vacancy did appear. But he didn't argue for a delay until the next president began his term, as McConnell is doing. He said the nomination process should be put off until after the election, which was on Nov. 3, 1992.


Pretty damn clear
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Same difference.
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Charliesheen wrote: Mon Apr 19, 2021 8:21 pm Same difference.
No it isn't Obama was still President after the election was held. So it isn't the same at all dementia codger
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Charliesheen wrote: Mon Apr 19, 2021 8:08 pm 1:45

Couldn’t be any more clear.
Its actually at 2:40 in that video and he said that Bush should wait until after the election (which he lost) so it wouldn't have been Bush, it would have been Clinton. Which is what Biden was hoping for. Same as McConnell was hoping a republican would beat Hillary. It actually couldn't be any more clear. But you have to have even the slightest bit of an open mind.
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Animal wrote: Mon Apr 19, 2021 8:23 pm
Charliesheen wrote: Mon Apr 19, 2021 8:08 pm 1:45

Couldn’t be any more clear.
Its actually at 2:40 in that video and he said that Bush should wait until after the election (which he lost) so it wouldn't have been Bush, it would have been Clinton. Which is what Biden was hoping for. Same as McConnell was hoping a republican would beat Hillary. It actually couldn't be any more clear. But you have to have even the slightest bit of an open mind.
You're lying

"Should a justice resign this summer and the president move to name a successor, actions that will occur just days before the Democratic Presidential Convention and weeks before the Republican Convention meets, a process that is already in doubt in the minds of many will become distrusted by all. Senate consideration of a nominee under these circumstances is not fair to the president, to the nominee, or to the Senate itself.

"Mr. President, where the nation should be treated to a consideration of constitutional philosophy, all it will get in such circumstances is a partisan bickering and political posturing from both parties and from both ends of Pennsylvania Avenue. As a result, it is my view that if a Supreme Court Justice resigns tomorrow, or within the next several weeks, or resigns at the end of the summer, President Bush should consider following the practice of a majority of his predecessors and not — and not — name a nominee until after the November election is completed."
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CaptQuint wrote: Mon Apr 19, 2021 8:24 pm
Animal wrote: Mon Apr 19, 2021 8:23 pm
Charliesheen wrote: Mon Apr 19, 2021 8:08 pm 1:45

Couldn’t be any more clear.
Its actually at 2:40 in that video and he said that Bush should wait until after the election (which he lost) so it wouldn't have been Bush, it would have been Clinton. Which is what Biden was hoping for. Same as McConnell was hoping a republican would beat Hillary. It actually couldn't be any more clear. But you have to have even the slightest bit of an open mind.
You're lying

"Should a justice resign this summer and the president move to name a successor, actions that will occur just days before the Democratic Presidential Convention and weeks before the Republican Convention meets, a process that is already in doubt in the minds of many will become distrusted by all. Senate consideration of a nominee under these circumstances is not fair to the president, to the nominee, or to the Senate itself.

"Mr. President, where the nation should be treated to a consideration of constitutional philosophy, all it will get in such circumstances is a partisan bickering and political posturing from both parties and from both ends of Pennsylvania Avenue. As a result, it is my view that if a Supreme Court Justice resigns tomorrow, or within the next several weeks, or resigns at the end of the summer, President Bush should consider following the practice of a majority of his predecessors and not — and not — name a nominee until after the November election is completed."
Wow. i have seen some attempts to re-write history. That one takes the cake.
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What a low down dirty liar Flumpy is. Sad really.
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CaptQuint wrote: Mon Apr 19, 2021 8:31 pm What a low down dirty liar Flumpy is. Sad really.
so you disregard that hours upon hours speech about republicans dominating the court and regan having a bazillion picks and this being a huge power grab, and blah fucking blah blah

and you want to dissect one sentence where he says for Bush to wait until AFTER the election to make an appointment if one comes up (because there was huge speculation that Blackmon would retire and his whole point was to get ahead of that event if it happened) and in your view that meant he was still pitching for Bush to make the nomination even if he lost the election and he would be on board with rushing the vote in those last 2 months before the Democrat took office?

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I might as well talk to my cat, Flumpy straight relying on supposition to defend his lie.
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CaptQuint wrote: Mon Apr 19, 2021 8:48 pm I might as well talk to my cat, Flumpy straight relying on supposition to defend his lie.
the timing of Garland's nomination was very clearly within the "political season" timeframe Biden had mentioned for avoiding court nominations in his 1992 speech.

however, Biden only (expressly) argued for delaying the nomination of a candidate until after the election season, not explicitly until after the next President took office.

However, the political reasoning for this is pretty obvious. By the end of the 102nd Congress, the Senate had 58 Democrats and only 42 Republicans. If a candidate weren't even nominated, let alone vetted by the Senate before the election, then the majority party in the Senate (Democrats at that time) would have a major upper-hand, even if the President nominated someone the day after the election was over.

In such a scenario, one of two things could play out:

President Bush (a Republican) was re-elected. Senate Democrats have lost nothing and can just proceed with the nomination hearings as usual after the election.

Bill Clinton (a Democrat) was elected President. They can now trivially stall the nomination proceedings for a couple of months under the guise of "thoroughly vetting" the candidate. Or even just drag it out for a month and a half, hold a vote, and reject the nominee without enough time for another nomination to be considered. Bush's nomination expires at the end of his term and Clinton fills the seat. The ruse is now obvious to most voters, but the next Senate election isn't for 2 more years and, thus, is much less likely to be negatively affected for them by this behavior than an ongoing election would be.

Of course, in 2016, the shoe was on the other foot and was real rather than merely hypothetical like in 1992. Had Hillary Clinton won the election in 2016, I have little doubt that the Senate Republicans would have decided to "graciously" give Democrats what they asked for and voted to confirm Garland (by far the most moderate of Obama's nominees) in the lame-duck session rather than letting Clinton nominate a more liberal candidate. And this would been doubly true if Republicans had lost control of the Senate in the election (though they didn't.)

The only difference is that, of course, President Obama did not follow the "recommendation" that Biden made for President Bush and wait until after the election was over to nominate someone (because, obviously, that would have been playing into the hands of Senate Republicans, just as Biden was wanting Bush to do for Senate Democrats in 1992.) So, Senate Republicans did face criticism for employing this obviously-political move during an election season, though it didn't end up having enough impact for them to lose their control of the Senate.

Is this tactic all completely politically motivated? Absolutely. Is it unsavory? I suppose that's a matter of opinion, but I'd say so. Is it a formal rule of any sort? Obviously not (though Biden did make the claim in '92 that it was a precedent.) Do both parties do it when it favors them? Yep, at least if they think they can get away with it.
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Yet only one party did it
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And then nominated and confirmed another while people were already voting
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Easy peasy. I know the left’s talking points better than most of ‘em.

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