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Biker wrote: Sat Mar 23, 2019 10:28 pm No. New. Indictments.
Where. You. Expecting. Trump. To. Be. Indicted?
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Biker wrote: Sat Mar 23, 2019 10:28 pm No. New. Indictments.
Doesn't. Mean. No. Collusion.
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Biker wrote: Sat Mar 23, 2019 10:34 pm
CaptQuint wrote: Sat Mar 23, 2019 10:29 pm
Biker wrote: Sat Mar 23, 2019 10:28 pm No. New. Indictments.
Where. You. Expecting. Trump. To. Be. Indicted?
No, but you and your ilk were guaranteeing us that people close to him would be indicted for collusion with Russia. None of that happened.

You. Got. Punked.
So you think everyone is getting away with things without knowing the contents of the report?
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Biker wrote: Sat Mar 23, 2019 10:37 pm
Reservoir Dog wrote: Sat Mar 23, 2019 10:34 pm
Biker wrote: Sat Mar 23, 2019 10:28 pm No. New. Indictments.
Doesn't. Mean. No. Collusion.
So a two year investigation designed to uncover any collusion ends with no indictments regarding collusion. But in your warped world, there still was collusion.

Youre a special kind of stupid
What part of "no indictments" doesn't mean "no collusion" don't you understand?
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Reservoir Dog wrote: Sat Mar 23, 2019 10:34 pm
Biker wrote: Sat Mar 23, 2019 10:28 pm No. New. Indictments.
Doesn't. Mean. No. Collusion.
Who was it the Ukraine arrested for messing in the election?
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Antknot wrote: Sat Mar 23, 2019 11:55 pm
Reservoir Dog wrote: Sat Mar 23, 2019 10:34 pm
Biker wrote: Sat Mar 23, 2019 10:28 pm No. New. Indictments.
Doesn't. Mean. No. Collusion.
Who was it the Ukraine arrested for messing in the election?
Manafort sent expensive polling data to Ukraine
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CaptQuint wrote: Sun Mar 24, 2019 12:04 am
Antknot wrote: Sat Mar 23, 2019 11:55 pm
Reservoir Dog wrote: Sat Mar 23, 2019 10:34 pm
Biker wrote: Sat Mar 23, 2019 10:28 pm No. New. Indictments.
Doesn't. Mean. No. Collusion.
Who was it the Ukraine arrested for messing in the election?
Manafort sent expensive polling data to Ukraine
No this one
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Antknot wrote: Sun Mar 24, 2019 1:01 am
CaptQuint wrote: Sun Mar 24, 2019 12:04 am
Antknot wrote: Sat Mar 23, 2019 11:55 pm
Reservoir Dog wrote: Sat Mar 23, 2019 10:34 pm
Biker wrote: Sat Mar 23, 2019 10:28 pm No. New. Indictments.
Doesn't. Mean. No. Collusion.
Who was it the Ukraine arrested for messing in the election?
Manafort sent expensive polling data to Ukraine
No this one
But collusion isn't a crime?
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CaptQuint wrote: Sun Mar 24, 2019 1:06 am
Antknot wrote: Sun Mar 24, 2019 1:01 am
CaptQuint wrote: Sun Mar 24, 2019 12:04 am
Antknot wrote: Sat Mar 23, 2019 11:55 pm
Reservoir Dog wrote: Sat Mar 23, 2019 10:34 pm
Biker wrote: Sat Mar 23, 2019 10:28 pm No. New. Indictments.
Doesn't. Mean. No. Collusion.
Who was it the Ukraine arrested for messing in the election?
Manafort sent expensive polling data to Ukraine
No this one
But collusion isn't a crime?
Must be in the Ukraine, they started a criminal investigation.
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Antknot wrote: Sun Mar 24, 2019 1:28 am
CaptQuint wrote: Sun Mar 24, 2019 1:06 am
Antknot wrote: Sun Mar 24, 2019 1:01 am
CaptQuint wrote: Sun Mar 24, 2019 12:04 am
Antknot wrote: Sat Mar 23, 2019 11:55 pm
Reservoir Dog wrote: Sat Mar 23, 2019 10:34 pm Doesn't. Mean. No. Collusion.
Who was it the Ukraine arrested for messing in the election?
Manafort sent expensive polling data to Ukraine
No this one
But collusion isn't a crime?
Must be in the Ukraine, they started a criminal investigation.
Good, obviously did a terrible job of it
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Trump and Russia, Clinton and Ukraine: How do they compare?

Donald Trump Jr.’s 2016 meeting with a lawyer tied to the Russian government prompted a resolute response from Fox News host Sean Hannity: Democrats looked for dirt on the Republican nominee, too. And they were willing to turn to a foreign government to get it.

"Democrats, the mainstream media, are hysterical over the story," Hannity said July 11. "But they have completely ignored an example of actual election interference."

Hannity went on to summarize a January 2017 article from Politico headlined "Ukrainian efforts to sabotage Trump backfire." The story details the work of a Ukrainian-American consultant to the Democratic National Committee who looked for compromising information about former Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort. Manafort had provided extensive political guidance to deposed Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovych.

According to Politico, the pro-Western administration that replaced Yanukovych preferred Clinton over Trump and was eager to help the consultant.

For Hannity, this was a direct parallel to the Trump affair, and he asked people to consider, "which was worse."

"Now that you have evidence from both sides, you have to decide for yourself," he told his viewers.

Are the two episodes basically the same?

No one has all the facts, but we can compare the details that we do have. The cases have similarities and differences.

The similarities
Benjamin Wittes, editor of the respected Lawfare blog, told us he doesn’t think the comparison is frivolous.

"If everyone is running around with the assumption that it’s illegitimate to work with a foreign government in a campaign, then it’s perfectly fair to ask what was the relationship between the Clinton campaign and the Ukrainians," Wittes said.

The American intelligence agencies say Russia interfered in the election with the goal of defeating Clinton and helping Donald Trump. According to Politico, some Ukrainian officials were happy to accomplish the same thing, except they preferred Clinton over Trump.

Politico reporters said that top Ukrainian diplomats deny any interference, but they cited a former Ukrainian embassy staffer who said that he had been told to "research connections between Trump, Manafort and Russia."

He said he coordinated with the key person in the Politico story, a Ukrainian-American consultant to the DNC named Alexandra Chalupa. Chalupa told Politico that she took it on herself to dig into Manafort’s past and reached out to the embassy. She had a network of sources in Washington and Ukraine, and as she learned things, she would sometimes share them with colleagues at the DNC.

By the summer of 2016, more and more journalists were interested in Manafort, and Chalupa said she and people at the embassy would guide them in the right direction.

The Politico article’s point was that Ukraine preferred Clinton. From what it reported, Chalupa’s efforts produced no specific result. The most significant revelation came from a Ukrainian lawmaker who held a news conference to disclose an accounting book that purportedly showed over $12 million set aside for Manafort by the party of the deposed president. The ledger emerged from an anti-corruption investigation.

The pressure grew and in mid August, Manafort stepped down from the campaign.

At the end of the day, information emerged from Ukraine that disrupted the Trump campaign. Taking the Politico report at face value, at least some Ukrainian officials helped in that process.

By contrast, private emails acquired by the Russians and distributed through Wikileaks and DCleaks, in conjunction with a false news disinformation campaign, disrupted the Clinton campaign.

The differences
If the broad outlines are similar, some key elements distinguish these episodes from each other.

The Politico article highlighted a major one.

"Russia’s effort was personally directed by Russian President Vladimir Putin (and) involved the country’s military and foreign intelligence services," the article said. "There’s little evidence of such a top-down effort by Ukraine."

So, according to American intelligence agencies, the Kremlin shaped and directed the email hacking of Democrats and subsequent distribution. In contrast, a variety of actors on the Ukrainian side responded to American queries and provided public documents.

Which leads to the other big distinction: The Russians got their materials through cyber-attacks, while the only telling document revealed by a Ukrainian lawmaker was the product of an official investigation.

"There’s a difference between dealing with the embassy and dealing with a covert intelligence operation," Wittes said. "Are you dealing with government records, or are you dealing in stolen dirt?"

To be clear, we do not know if the hacked emails had any ties to contacts the Trump campaign did or didn’t have with Russians. But hacked emails are different from the results of a public investigation.

Taking that difference one step further, there was nothing inherently illegal in the quest for information on Manafort and how that might link Donald Trump to Russia. Wittes noted that from a research perspective, since Manafort’s work took place in Ukraine, "you pretty much have to go to the Ukrainians to get that."

Other details also separate the two narratives.

Ukraine is seen as an ally to the United States, while Russia is at best a competitor and often called an enemy.

Lastly, the stories from Trump associates have changed over time as more press reports emerge. In the case of Donald Trump Jr., he first said he never represented the campaign in any meetings with Russians. Then he said there was a meeting, but it was about adoption laws. Then he said it was about Clinton, but it represented ordinary opposition research.

It’s best to think of both stories as moving targets. The more they are explored, the more we will learn.

But to paraphrase Hannity, you have the information. You can decide how similar these stories are.

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Biker wrote: Sun Mar 24, 2019 4:01 pm
Reservoir Dog wrote: Sat Mar 23, 2019 10:48 pm
Biker wrote: Sat Mar 23, 2019 10:37 pm
Reservoir Dog wrote: Sat Mar 23, 2019 10:34 pm
Biker wrote: Sat Mar 23, 2019 10:28 pm No. New. Indictments.
Doesn't. Mean. No. Collusion.
So a two year investigation designed to uncover any collusion ends with no indictments regarding collusion. But in your warped world, there still was collusion.

Youre a special kind of stupid
What part of "no indictments" doesn't mean "no collusion" don't you understand?
What part of its illegal dont you understand?
What is? Collusion? Don't you recall your handlers had you repeating the line collusion isn't illegal at various points in between repeating the no collusion line? Now you're crowing about there being no indictment for something that isn't a crime against someone who the DOJ thinks is not indictable.
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Barr just doing a quick skim read then covering up the evidence is why he was appointed. Naturally all the trump fans who were calling for full release, including trump, will now support suppression to avoid scrutiny of Barr's decision.
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AnalHamster wrote: Mon Mar 25, 2019 11:24 am Barr just doing a quick skim read then covering up the evidence is why he was appointed. Naturally all the trump fans who were calling for full release, including trump, will now support suppression to avoid scrutiny of Barr's decision.
I've been laying out the last few days in my posts. Whitewater did not get Bill Clinton impeached. The Watergate Burglary did not make Nixon resign. Mueller dropped a rock into a pond and the rock will ripple out. It might be in the report and out of the scope of the special counsel or stem from another investigation or trial.
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AnalHamster wrote: Mon Mar 25, 2019 11:24 am Barr just doing a quick skim read then covering up the evidence is why he was appointed. Naturally all the trump fans who were calling for full release, including trump, will now support suppression to avoid scrutiny of Barr's decision.
Wrong. I still want full release.
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