Well, the Chinese government has always been pretty honest and open about things so if theyre saying it came from a wet market their word is as good as gold.necronomous wrote: ↑Sun Jun 20, 2021 3:34 am If it came from nature, so what?
If however, it came from a lab, then you are literally defending China by not demanding that they prove it. If there is nothing to worry about then they shouldn't be trying to protect something that never occurred. However, what does it matter if we put communist pieces of shits feet to the flame and actually hold them accountable for something they have done? Why are the ones here saying its almost for sure natural, so willing to stick their neck out FOR the Chinese. Because that's what you're doing.
So, was it a lab leak or nah?
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oh absolutelyCHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 20, 2021 1:55 pmWell, the Chinese government has always been pretty honest and open about things so if theyre saying it came from a wet market their word is as good as gold.necronomous wrote: ↑Sun Jun 20, 2021 3:34 am If it came from nature, so what?
If however, it came from a lab, then you are literally defending China by not demanding that they prove it. If there is nothing to worry about then they shouldn't be trying to protect something that never occurred. However, what does it matter if we put communist pieces of shits feet to the flame and actually hold them accountable for something they have done? Why are the ones here saying its almost for sure natural, so willing to stick their neck out FOR the Chinese. Because that's what you're doing.
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Stapes needs to know if this JRE clip was peer reviewed. Otherwise, it would not meet his demanding standards
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Another couple of evolutionary biologists who didnt have the common sense to discuss with Hammy first. dumbasses
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Capthammystapes would consider them retard conspiracy theorists with no real grasp on reality.
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Yep, pure speculation at a time when the entire genetic sequence is public domain and shows no evidence of tampering.
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There’s puhlenty of evidence. Doesn’t fit in the box you made for your pompous self, tho.
Looked around for what you’ve been seeking in your desperate struggle against the Orange Man.
Found this:
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/0 ... 2-j22.html
A lot of pretzel logic to demonstrate that proof isn’t proof. Thanks-World Socialist Web Site
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Found this:
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/0 ... 2-j22.html
A lot of pretzel logic to demonstrate that proof isn’t proof. Thanks-World Socialist Web Site
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Except that the sequence goes against the laws of physics.AnalHamster wrote: ↑Fri Jun 25, 2021 12:58 pm Yep, pure speculation at a time when the entire genetic sequence is public domain and shows no evidence of tampering.
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That kinda sounds like a claim that you have some evidence there, doesn't it?Biker wrote: ↑Fri Jun 25, 2021 3:47 pmExcept that the sequence goes against the laws of physics.AnalHamster wrote: ↑Fri Jun 25, 2021 12:58 pm Yep, pure speculation at a time when the entire genetic sequence is public domain and shows no evidence of tampering.
Do please feel free to present this undeniable evidence.
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When that little tidbit was thrown out there from your bogus report the scientific Community had quite a laugh. Not only is it not against the laws of physics it happens all the timeBiker wrote: ↑Fri Jun 25, 2021 3:47 pmExcept that the sequence goes against the laws of physics.AnalHamster wrote: ↑Fri Jun 25, 2021 12:58 pm Yep, pure speculation at a time when the entire genetic sequence is public domain and shows no evidence of tampering.
I blame Biker.
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The possibility that the pandemic began with an escape from the Wuhan Institute of Virology is attracting fresh attention. President Biden has asked the national intelligence community to redouble efforts to investigate.
Much of the public discussion has focused on circumstantial evidence: mysterious illnesses in late 2019; the lab’s work intentionally supercharging viruses to increase lethality (known as “gain of function” research). The Chinese Communist Party has been reluctant to release relevant information. Reports based on U.S. intelligence have suggested the lab collaborated on projects with the Chinese military.
But the most compelling reason to favor the lab leak hypothesis is firmly based in science. In particular, consider the genetic fingerprint of CoV-2, the novel coronavirus responsible for the disease Covid-19.
In gain-of-function research, a microbiologist can increase the lethality of a coronavirus enormously by splicing a special sequence into its genome at a prime location. Doing this leaves no trace of manipulation. But it alters the virus spike protein, rendering it easier for the virus to inject genetic material into the victim cell. Since 1992 there have been at least 11 separate experiments adding a special sequence to the same location. The end result has always been supercharged viruses.
A genome is a blueprint for the factory of a cell to make proteins. The language is made up of three-letter “words,” 64 in total, that represent the 20 different amino acids. For example, there are six different words for the amino acid arginine, the one that is often used in supercharging viruses. Every cell has a different preference for which word it likes to use most.
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This seems like a good, unbiased, middle of the road article that explains both sides theories and what can and cannot be debunked.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01529-3
It, at least, convinces me that the coincidence of the lab being in Wuhan, and the virus coming out of Wuhan are not all that great of a coincidence. Its like finding a bait shop near a fishing location. That's just where they are. Since most coronaviruses come out of that area of the globe, and Wuhan is a HUGE city and animals from all over that area of china are brought to Wuhan, the coincidence is not that great of a lab being there AND the virus starting there.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01529-3
It, at least, convinces me that the coincidence of the lab being in Wuhan, and the virus coming out of Wuhan are not all that great of a coincidence. Its like finding a bait shop near a fishing location. That's just where they are. Since most coronaviruses come out of that area of the globe, and Wuhan is a HUGE city and animals from all over that area of china are brought to Wuhan, the coincidence is not that great of a lab being there AND the virus starting there.
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Animal wrote: ↑Fri Jun 25, 2021 5:01 pm This seems like a good, unbiased, middle of the road article that explains both sides theories and what can and cannot be debunked.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01529-3
It, at least, convinces me that the coincidence of the lab being in Wuhan, and the virus coming out of Wuhan are not all that great of a coincidence. Its like finding a bait shop near a fishing location. That's just where they are. Since most coronaviruses come out of that area of the globe, and Wuhan is a HUGE city and animals from all over that area of china are brought to Wuhan, the coincidence is not that great of a lab being there AND the virus starting there.
Yet in private, he writes this:Does the virus have features that suggest it was created in a lab?
Several researchers have looked into whether features of SARS-CoV-2 signal that it was bioengineered. One of the first teams to do so, led by Kristian Andersen, a virologist at Scripps Research in La Jolla, California, determined that this was “improbable” for a few reasons, including a lack of signatures of genetic manipulation6. Since then, others have asked whether the virus’s furin cleavage site — a feature that helps it to enter cells — is evidence of engineering, because SARS-CoV-2 has these sites but its closest relatives don’t. The furin cleavage site is important because it's in the virus's spike protein, and cleavage of the protein at that site is necessary for the virus to infect cells.
Then when the emails were released, he deleted his Twitter account. Yeah, perfectly normal and rational behavior
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Gee almost like he started back in febuary of last year with questions but then answered them isn't it. Either that or its just another worldwide conspiracy with thousands of scientists in on it. They are sneaky like that.
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POLITICO-Harvard poll: Most Americans believe Covid leaked from lab
Opinion on the lab leak scenario, once seen as a fringe theory, has shifted dramatically.
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/07/0 ... eak-498847
Opinion on the lab leak scenario, once seen as a fringe theory, has shifted dramatically.
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/07/0 ... eak-498847
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I was listening to Adam Curry and he thought that the Jon Stewart rant on Colbert was an op by the administration to mainstream the lab leak theory. Makes sense since the media and big tech punished people for suggesting it just a mere eight months agoCHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 09, 2021 10:47 am POLITICO-Harvard poll: Most Americans believe Covid leaked from lab
Opinion on the lab leak scenario, once seen as a fringe theory, has shifted dramatically.
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Looks like the Biden administration is not checking in with Hammy.
Senior Biden officials finding that Covid lab leak theory as credible as natural origins explanation
https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/16/politics ... index.html
Senior Biden officials finding that Covid lab leak theory as credible as natural origins explanation
https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/16/politics ... index.html
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WHO calls for audit of Chinese labs where COVID-19 was first identified
https://www.euronews.com/2021/07/16/who ... identified
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Fringe theory to those covering up for the communists.Biker wrote: ↑Fri Jul 09, 2021 1:42 pmI was listening to Adam Curry and he thought that the Jon Stewart rant on Colbert was an op by the administration to mainstream the lab leak theory. Makes sense since the media and big tech punished people for suggesting it just a mere eight months agoCHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 09, 2021 10:47 am POLITICO-Harvard poll: Most Americans believe Covid leaked from lab
Opinion on the lab leak scenario, once seen as a fringe theory, has shifted dramatically.
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/07/0 ... eak-498847
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Its not shady at all how the Chinese wont let investigators into the Wuhan virus facility.
‘The virus is winning’: China’s rebuff of WHO’s new Covid probe alarms experts
The experts say a complete probe inside China is necessary to pinpoint the origins of the virus, which has had a devastating toll around the world.
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/07/2 ... obe-500711
‘The virus is winning’: China’s rebuff of WHO’s new Covid probe alarms experts
The experts say a complete probe inside China is necessary to pinpoint the origins of the virus, which has had a devastating toll around the world.
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Good thing they have a guy to has their backs in the White HouseCHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 11:00 am Its not shady at all how the Chinese wont let investigators into the Wuhan virus facility.
‘The virus is winning’: China’s rebuff of WHO’s new Covid probe alarms experts
The experts say a complete probe inside China is necessary to pinpoint the origins of the virus, which has had a devastating toll around the world.
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GOP report says evidence points to COVID emerging from Wuhan lab
House Foreign Affairs Committee Republicans released their report on COVID-19’s origins, pointing to evidence of a lab leak, genetic modification, and a cover-up, making the case the virus accidentally emerged from the Wuhan lab in the fall of 2019.
The report concluded that “the preponderance of evidence suggests SARS-CoV-2 was accidentally released from a Wuhan Institute of Virology laboratory sometime prior to September 12, 2019,” and “the virus, or the viral sequence that was genetically manipulated, was likely collected in a cave in Yunnan province, PRC, between 2012 and 2015."
The report said Wuhan lab researchers, CCP officials, and “potentially American citizens” all “directly engaged in efforts to obfuscate information related to the origins of the virus and to suppress public debate of a possible lab leak.”
Rep. Michael McCaul of Texas led the GOP’s China Task Force and released a report in September alleging a Chinese cover-up and detailing serious concerns about the Wuhan lab. The House Foreign Affairs ranking member's new addendum to that report puts a spotlight on the Wuhan lab.
The new report “outlines evidence that points to the Wuhan Institute of Virology as the source of the outbreak, and outlines some of the many steps researchers at the WIV along with Peter Daszak of EcoHealth Alliance took to cover up the research being done there.”
It also “breaks down how scientific papers written by researchers at the WIV not only prove the WIV was doing dangerous genetic modification research on coronaviruses at unsafe biosafety levels, but also that WIV researchers had the ability to genetically modify coronaviruses as early as 2016 without leaving any trace of that modification.”
McCaul said he believes now is the right time to "completely dismiss" the hypothesis that the Wuhan wet market was the source of the outbreak.
“We know gain-of-function research was happening at the WIV and we know it was being done in unsafe conditions. We also now know the head of the Chinese CDC and the director of the WIV's Biosafety Level-4 lab publicly expressed concerns about safety at PRC labs in the summer of 2019. It is our belief the virus leaked sometime in late August or early September 2019. When they realized what happened, Chinese Communist Party officials and scientists at the WIV began frantically covering up the leak, including taking their virus database offline in the middle of the night and requesting more than $1 million for additional security,” he said.
McCaul added: “But their cover-up was too late — the virus was already spreading throughout the megacity of Wuhan. Within a month, satellite images show a significant uptick in the number of people at hospitals around the WIV with symptoms similar to COVID-19. At the same time, athletes at the Military World Games became sick with symptoms similar to COVID-19. Some of them carried the virus back to their home countries — creating one of the earliest super spreader events in the world.”
The report concludes that “the preponderance of the evidence proves the virus did leak from" a Wuhan lab, and it contends that the removal of the WIV's virus and sample database in September 2019, as well as safety concerns expressed by Chinese scientists and a host of circumstantial evidence, points to the conclusion that the virus leaked from the lab.
A State Department fact sheet released in January contended that Wuhan lab researchers “conducted experiments involving RaTG13, the bat coronavirus identified by the WIV in January 2020 as its closest sample to SARS-CoV-2 (96.2% similar)” and the lab “has a published record of conducting ‘gain-of-function’ research to engineer chimeric viruses.” The fact sheet asserted the lab “engaged in classified research, including laboratory animal experiments, on behalf of the Chinese military” and that lab workers became sick with coronaviruslike symptoms in autumn 2019.
The GOP report noted that the Wuhan lab’s online database contained “more than 22,000 entries consisting of sample and pathogen data collected from bats and mice." The database was pulled offline on Sept. 12, 2019, and the report noted there has been "no consistent answer" as to why it has not been put back online.
The report contends that one or more researchers could have become infected with the virus after collecting it in the wild or manipulation in the lab and could have subsequently provided a "vector for the virus to spread" while traveling to and from the WIV on the Wuhan Metro or a daily shuttle service that was available.
The Republicans said the report “lays out ample evidence that researchers at the WIV, in conjunction with U.S. scientists and funded by both the PRC government and the U.S. government, were conducting gain-of-function research on coronaviruses at the WIV."
Its conclusion is that there is "ample proof that the virus could have been genetically manipulated.”
The GOP report noted that there is ample evidence the Chinese government, WIV researchers, and others were working to discredit the suggestion the virus could have been human-made or leaked from the lab.
It also points to the “installation of a People’s Liberation Army’s bioweapons expert as the head of the WIV’s Biosafety Level 4 lab" in late 2019 rather than January 2020, as has been previously reported. The new report said that a PLA major general "taking over part of the WIV demonstrates the CCP was concerned about the activity happening there as news of the virus was spreading" and that if the Chinese military actually took control in 2019, then "it would mean the CCP knew about the virus earlier, and that the outbreak began earlier."
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GOP report findings don't count. they are just propoganda.Biker wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 4:23 pmGOP report says evidence points to COVID emerging from Wuhan lab
House Foreign Affairs Committee Republicans released their report on COVID-19’s origins, pointing to evidence of a lab leak, genetic modification, and a cover-up, making the case the virus accidentally emerged from the Wuhan lab in the fall of 2019.
The report concluded that “the preponderance of evidence suggests SARS-CoV-2 was accidentally released from a Wuhan Institute of Virology laboratory sometime prior to September 12, 2019,” and “the virus, or the viral sequence that was genetically manipulated, was likely collected in a cave in Yunnan province, PRC, between 2012 and 2015."
The report said Wuhan lab researchers, CCP officials, and “potentially American citizens” all “directly engaged in efforts to obfuscate information related to the origins of the virus and to suppress public debate of a possible lab leak.”
Rep. Michael McCaul of Texas led the GOP’s China Task Force and released a report in September alleging a Chinese cover-up and detailing serious concerns about the Wuhan lab. The House Foreign Affairs ranking member's new addendum to that report puts a spotlight on the Wuhan lab.
The new report “outlines evidence that points to the Wuhan Institute of Virology as the source of the outbreak, and outlines some of the many steps researchers at the WIV along with Peter Daszak of EcoHealth Alliance took to cover up the research being done there.”
It also “breaks down how scientific papers written by researchers at the WIV not only prove the WIV was doing dangerous genetic modification research on coronaviruses at unsafe biosafety levels, but also that WIV researchers had the ability to genetically modify coronaviruses as early as 2016 without leaving any trace of that modification.”
McCaul said he believes now is the right time to "completely dismiss" the hypothesis that the Wuhan wet market was the source of the outbreak.
“We know gain-of-function research was happening at the WIV and we know it was being done in unsafe conditions. We also now know the head of the Chinese CDC and the director of the WIV's Biosafety Level-4 lab publicly expressed concerns about safety at PRC labs in the summer of 2019. It is our belief the virus leaked sometime in late August or early September 2019. When they realized what happened, Chinese Communist Party officials and scientists at the WIV began frantically covering up the leak, including taking their virus database offline in the middle of the night and requesting more than $1 million for additional security,” he said.
McCaul added: “But their cover-up was too late — the virus was already spreading throughout the megacity of Wuhan. Within a month, satellite images show a significant uptick in the number of people at hospitals around the WIV with symptoms similar to COVID-19. At the same time, athletes at the Military World Games became sick with symptoms similar to COVID-19. Some of them carried the virus back to their home countries — creating one of the earliest super spreader events in the world.”
The report concludes that “the preponderance of the evidence proves the virus did leak from" a Wuhan lab, and it contends that the removal of the WIV's virus and sample database in September 2019, as well as safety concerns expressed by Chinese scientists and a host of circumstantial evidence, points to the conclusion that the virus leaked from the lab.
A State Department fact sheet released in January contended that Wuhan lab researchers “conducted experiments involving RaTG13, the bat coronavirus identified by the WIV in January 2020 as its closest sample to SARS-CoV-2 (96.2% similar)” and the lab “has a published record of conducting ‘gain-of-function’ research to engineer chimeric viruses.” The fact sheet asserted the lab “engaged in classified research, including laboratory animal experiments, on behalf of the Chinese military” and that lab workers became sick with coronaviruslike symptoms in autumn 2019.
The GOP report noted that the Wuhan lab’s online database contained “more than 22,000 entries consisting of sample and pathogen data collected from bats and mice." The database was pulled offline on Sept. 12, 2019, and the report noted there has been "no consistent answer" as to why it has not been put back online.
The report contends that one or more researchers could have become infected with the virus after collecting it in the wild or manipulation in the lab and could have subsequently provided a "vector for the virus to spread" while traveling to and from the WIV on the Wuhan Metro or a daily shuttle service that was available.
The Republicans said the report “lays out ample evidence that researchers at the WIV, in conjunction with U.S. scientists and funded by both the PRC government and the U.S. government, were conducting gain-of-function research on coronaviruses at the WIV."
Its conclusion is that there is "ample proof that the virus could have been genetically manipulated.”
The GOP report noted that there is ample evidence the Chinese government, WIV researchers, and others were working to discredit the suggestion the virus could have been human-made or leaked from the lab.
It also points to the “installation of a People’s Liberation Army’s bioweapons expert as the head of the WIV’s Biosafety Level 4 lab" in late 2019 rather than January 2020, as has been previously reported. The new report said that a PLA major general "taking over part of the WIV demonstrates the CCP was concerned about the activity happening there as news of the virus was spreading" and that if the Chinese military actually took control in 2019, then "it would mean the CCP knew about the virus earlier, and that the outbreak began earlier."
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Sad thing is, Capt Stapes will continue to believe the CCP over their own citizens. But we're the traitorsAnimal wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 4:47 pmGOP report findings don't count. they are just propoganda.Biker wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 4:23 pmGOP report says evidence points to COVID emerging from Wuhan lab
House Foreign Affairs Committee Republicans released their report on COVID-19’s origins, pointing to evidence of a lab leak, genetic modification, and a cover-up, making the case the virus accidentally emerged from the Wuhan lab in the fall of 2019.
The report concluded that “the preponderance of evidence suggests SARS-CoV-2 was accidentally released from a Wuhan Institute of Virology laboratory sometime prior to September 12, 2019,” and “the virus, or the viral sequence that was genetically manipulated, was likely collected in a cave in Yunnan province, PRC, between 2012 and 2015."
The report said Wuhan lab researchers, CCP officials, and “potentially American citizens” all “directly engaged in efforts to obfuscate information related to the origins of the virus and to suppress public debate of a possible lab leak.”
Rep. Michael McCaul of Texas led the GOP’s China Task Force and released a report in September alleging a Chinese cover-up and detailing serious concerns about the Wuhan lab. The House Foreign Affairs ranking member's new addendum to that report puts a spotlight on the Wuhan lab.
The new report “outlines evidence that points to the Wuhan Institute of Virology as the source of the outbreak, and outlines some of the many steps researchers at the WIV along with Peter Daszak of EcoHealth Alliance took to cover up the research being done there.”
It also “breaks down how scientific papers written by researchers at the WIV not only prove the WIV was doing dangerous genetic modification research on coronaviruses at unsafe biosafety levels, but also that WIV researchers had the ability to genetically modify coronaviruses as early as 2016 without leaving any trace of that modification.”
McCaul said he believes now is the right time to "completely dismiss" the hypothesis that the Wuhan wet market was the source of the outbreak.
“We know gain-of-function research was happening at the WIV and we know it was being done in unsafe conditions. We also now know the head of the Chinese CDC and the director of the WIV's Biosafety Level-4 lab publicly expressed concerns about safety at PRC labs in the summer of 2019. It is our belief the virus leaked sometime in late August or early September 2019. When they realized what happened, Chinese Communist Party officials and scientists at the WIV began frantically covering up the leak, including taking their virus database offline in the middle of the night and requesting more than $1 million for additional security,” he said.
McCaul added: “But their cover-up was too late — the virus was already spreading throughout the megacity of Wuhan. Within a month, satellite images show a significant uptick in the number of people at hospitals around the WIV with symptoms similar to COVID-19. At the same time, athletes at the Military World Games became sick with symptoms similar to COVID-19. Some of them carried the virus back to their home countries — creating one of the earliest super spreader events in the world.”
The report concludes that “the preponderance of the evidence proves the virus did leak from" a Wuhan lab, and it contends that the removal of the WIV's virus and sample database in September 2019, as well as safety concerns expressed by Chinese scientists and a host of circumstantial evidence, points to the conclusion that the virus leaked from the lab.
A State Department fact sheet released in January contended that Wuhan lab researchers “conducted experiments involving RaTG13, the bat coronavirus identified by the WIV in January 2020 as its closest sample to SARS-CoV-2 (96.2% similar)” and the lab “has a published record of conducting ‘gain-of-function’ research to engineer chimeric viruses.” The fact sheet asserted the lab “engaged in classified research, including laboratory animal experiments, on behalf of the Chinese military” and that lab workers became sick with coronaviruslike symptoms in autumn 2019.
The GOP report noted that the Wuhan lab’s online database contained “more than 22,000 entries consisting of sample and pathogen data collected from bats and mice." The database was pulled offline on Sept. 12, 2019, and the report noted there has been "no consistent answer" as to why it has not been put back online.
The report contends that one or more researchers could have become infected with the virus after collecting it in the wild or manipulation in the lab and could have subsequently provided a "vector for the virus to spread" while traveling to and from the WIV on the Wuhan Metro or a daily shuttle service that was available.
The Republicans said the report “lays out ample evidence that researchers at the WIV, in conjunction with U.S. scientists and funded by both the PRC government and the U.S. government, were conducting gain-of-function research on coronaviruses at the WIV."
Its conclusion is that there is "ample proof that the virus could have been genetically manipulated.”
The GOP report noted that there is ample evidence the Chinese government, WIV researchers, and others were working to discredit the suggestion the virus could have been human-made or leaked from the lab.
It also points to the “installation of a People’s Liberation Army’s bioweapons expert as the head of the WIV’s Biosafety Level 4 lab" in late 2019 rather than January 2020, as has been previously reported. The new report said that a PLA major general "taking over part of the WIV demonstrates the CCP was concerned about the activity happening there as news of the virus was spreading" and that if the Chinese military actually took control in 2019, then "it would mean the CCP knew about the virus earlier, and that the outbreak began earlier."
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Unredacted email correspondence between Anthony Fauci and Peter Daszak reveals the
EcoHealth Alliance President admitting to working “in collaboration with Chinese virologist” on “bat-origin coronaviruses.”
The Informed Consent Action Network (ICAN) sued the National Institutes of Health (NIH) for the unredacted portion of the April 18th, 2020 email. The original email was released under a prior Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request resulting in the release of thousands of National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) Director Anthony Fauci’s emails.
The email – titled “Thank you for your public comments re COVID-19’s origins” – reveals EcoHealth Alliance President Peter Daszak offering a robust “thank you” to Fauci for affirming a natural origin for COVID-19. The National Pulse has previously highlighted Daszak’s financial and personnel ties to the Chinese Communist Party, which ultimately led to his recusal from the Lancet’s COVID-19 commission.
Despite Fauci’s insistence the NIAID never funded gain-of-function research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology – a “longtime collaborator” of Daszak’s EcoHealth Alliance – the redacted portion of the email indicates otherwise. Daszak acknowledges “the work we’ve been doing in collaboration with Chinese virologists,” adding that the work focused on “bat-origin coronaviruses.”
In full, the redacted portion of the email reads:
It’s been a very hard few months as these conspiracy theorists have gradually become politicized and hardened in their stance. Especially because the work we’ve been doing in collaboration with Chinese virologists has given us incredible insight into the risks that these viruses represent, so that we can directly help protect our nation from bat-origin coronaviruses. We’re fighting to keep the communications open with our Chinese colleagues, so that we can better address future pandemics like COVID-19.