I took allergy shots for 8 years as a child. I have no problem with needles. What I have a problem with is shit being pushed through without the proper testing.
Anti vaxers making for an interesting ending to the pandemic
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MY PEOPLE SKILLS ARE JUST FINE. IT"S MY TOLERANCE FOR IDIOTS THAT NEEDS WORK
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The label "anti-vaxxer' is no different than 'conspiracy theorist'.
Its tossed out to discredit someone's point of view so that no one will actually look at or consider said point of view.
Of course there are some true nut cases in the camp; but, the vast majority of people who get labeled and their voice dismissed are good, smart people, who came to their point of view through research and/or real life experience. Also, most are not "anti-vaccine" --> they actually just want safer vaccines, more transparency and less protections for vaccine makers, and a better accountability system than what's in place.
Big pharma spends a LOT of money to keep people of the mind that 'vaccines are 100% safe' and 'anyone who disagrees is an anti-vaccine nut' for a reason...
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Re: Anti vaxers making for an interesting ending to the pandemic
Here is one reason the vax is pushed so hard.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/21/business ... index.html
https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/21/business ... index.html
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Cytokine storm. What if next flu season all the vaxxed people start dropping like prom dresses?Cassandros wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 12:11 amIt could be worse than that.
I was listening to some of Geert Vanden Bossche, a very pro-vaccine and prominent microbiologist, and he made an interesting point that very few people have considered. In a nutshell, he talks about how the vaccine antibodies are both 'targeted' for covid specifically and that they kind of overpower the natural immune systems more versitile antibodies (that can react to any virus).
This could mean two things: one, something I have said a lot, there will be constant needs for new vaccines to match the new covid mutations; and two, which I never considered, is people who get the vaccine(s) are potentially making themselves more vulnerable to other diseases.
He is real dry and has a thick accent, but if you can manage to power through all that he is worth a listen.
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Then tell the president to stop buying millions of doses to just hand out to other countries. I get that its the thing to do, but if it is creeping people out with conspiracy type theories then it isn't worth it. These spending spreeds have to end. We have already bought more than enough to vaccinate everyone. We just need to work now to convince the people like yourself that its for the greater good of the country.theclap wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 7:49 pm Here is one reason the vax is pushed so hard.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/21/business ... index.html
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WE need to CONVINCE people like me it's for the greater good? That statement has some frightening connotations.Animal wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 7:57 pmThen tell the president to stop buying millions of doses to just hand out to other countries. I get that its the thing to do, but if it is creeping people out with conspiracy type theories then it isn't worth it. These spending spreeds have to end. We have already bought more than enough to vaccinate everyone. We just need to work now to convince the people like yourself that its for the greater good of the country.theclap wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 7:49 pm Here is one reason the vax is pushed so hard.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/21/business ... index.html
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calm down, Nancy. What kind of conspiracy did you think it was when your mom told you to drink your milk? Or when you had to sit down on the school bus?theclap wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 8:23 pmWE need to CONVINCE people like me it's for the greater good? That statement has some frightening connotations.Animal wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 7:57 pmThen tell the president to stop buying millions of doses to just hand out to other countries. I get that its the thing to do, but if it is creeping people out with conspiracy type theories then it isn't worth it. These spending spreeds have to end. We have already bought more than enough to vaccinate everyone. We just need to work now to convince the people like yourself that its for the greater good of the country.theclap wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 7:49 pm Here is one reason the vax is pushed so hard.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/21/business ... index.html
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Here is the problem for people like you that feel it's your job to make everybody think like you.... I am not a conspiracy theorist nor an anti-vaxxer. The world and people in it are often more complicated than those labels. Focusing on those labels has you punching at shadows.Animal wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 8:57 pmcalm down, Nancy. What kind of conspiracy did you think it was when your mom told you to drink your milk? Or when you had to sit down on the school bus?theclap wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 8:23 pmWE need to CONVINCE people like me it's for the greater good? That statement has some frightening connotations.Animal wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 7:57 pmThen tell the president to stop buying millions of doses to just hand out to other countries. I get that its the thing to do, but if it is creeping people out with conspiracy type theories then it isn't worth it. These spending spreeds have to end. We have already bought more than enough to vaccinate everyone. We just need to work now to convince the people like yourself that its for the greater good of the country.theclap wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 7:49 pm Here is one reason the vax is pushed so hard.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/21/business ... index.html
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maybe, but i tend to keep things pretty simple. this virus could completely go away if "we" gave it fewer options to survive. If we create enough dead ends, then it has no host left and dies off. We are seeing that to some degree right now. We are so close we can actually feel the difference in our lives. If just a few more people, like you, would get the freaking vaccine, then we could move on. I really don't need any labels to have that discussion.theclap wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 9:21 pm Here is the problem for people like you that feel it's your job to make everybody think like you.... I am not a conspiracy theorist nor an anti-vaxxer. The world and people in it are often more complicated than those labels. Focusing on those labels has you punching at shadows.
its sort of like a rumor. if people stop repeating it, then at some point no one will have heard it so they won't know to repeat it even if they want to.
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I wonder when simps like Stapes get their cuttheclap wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 7:49 pm Here is one reason the vax is pushed so hard.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/21/business ... index.html
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Same way we erradicated the flu with vaccines?Animal wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 9:42 pmmaybe, but i tend to keep things pretty simple. this virus could completely go away if "we" gave it fewer options to survive. If we create enough dead ends, then it has no host left and dies off. We are seeing that to some degree right now. We are so close we can actually feel the difference in our lives. If just a few more people, like you, would get the freaking vaccine, then we could move on. I really don't need any labels to have that discussion.theclap wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 9:21 pm Here is the problem for people like you that feel it's your job to make everybody think like you.... I am not a conspiracy theorist nor an anti-vaxxer. The world and people in it are often more complicated than those labels. Focusing on those labels has you punching at shadows.
its sort of like a rumor. if people stop repeating it, then at some point no one will have heard it so they won't know to repeat it even if they want to.
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influenza and coronaviruses are the same! DERP
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No. More like how we eradicated small pox. The flu changes significantly from year to year. Vaccines have certainly helped minimize the effects of the flu, but I would suppose you don't get flu vaccines either. So we have a bunch of people like you that don't do it. And, since the flu isn't all that deadly, people just blow it off. Small pox, on the other hand, was quite deadly, so people took it more seriously and we were fortunate enough to completely get rid of it.theclap wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 10:05 pmSame way we erradicated the flu with vaccines?Animal wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 9:42 pmmaybe, but i tend to keep things pretty simple. this virus could completely go away if "we" gave it fewer options to survive. If we create enough dead ends, then it has no host left and dies off. We are seeing that to some degree right now. We are so close we can actually feel the difference in our lives. If just a few more people, like you, would get the freaking vaccine, then we could move on. I really don't need any labels to have that discussion.theclap wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 9:21 pm Here is the problem for people like you that feel it's your job to make everybody think like you.... I am not a conspiracy theorist nor an anti-vaxxer. The world and people in it are often more complicated than those labels. Focusing on those labels has you punching at shadows.
its sort of like a rumor. if people stop repeating it, then at some point no one will have heard it so they won't know to repeat it even if they want to.
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Would you consider a .2% fatality rate to be high?
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. 2% is inaccurate......You're cherry picking numbers and it's just disingenuous biker think
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From what I read Covid mutates faster than the flu, small pox barely mutated at all and actually got less deadly as time went by, not more.Animal wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 10:11 pmNo. More like how we eradicated small pox. The flu changes significantly from year to year. Vaccines have certainly helped minimize the effects of the flu, but I would suppose you don't get flu vaccines either. So we have a bunch of people like you that don't do it. And, since the flu isn't all that deadly, people just blow it off. Small pox, on the other hand, was quite deadly, so people took it more seriously and we were fortunate enough to completely get rid of it.theclap wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 10:05 pmSame way we erradicated the flu with vaccines?Animal wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 9:42 pmmaybe, but i tend to keep things pretty simple. this virus could completely go away if "we" gave it fewer options to survive. If we create enough dead ends, then it has no host left and dies off. We are seeing that to some degree right now. We are so close we can actually feel the difference in our lives. If just a few more people, like you, would get the freaking vaccine, then we could move on. I really don't need any labels to have that discussion.theclap wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 9:21 pm Here is the problem for people like you that feel it's your job to make everybody think like you.... I am not a conspiracy theorist nor an anti-vaxxer. The world and people in it are often more complicated than those labels. Focusing on those labels has you punching at shadows.
its sort of like a rumor. if people stop repeating it, then at some point no one will have heard it so they won't know to repeat it even if they want to.
Which is probably the difference between a natural disease and a gain-of-function one. But I digress...
The vaccine is like having a specific key for a specific lock - as the covid virus mutates the 'lock' changes... and the 'key' starts to not fit anymore. Be happy as more successful treatments are created, because eradicating this virus is pretty much off the table (and honestly, never really was on the table to begin with).
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Its certainly a possibility.theclap wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 7:51 pmCytokine storm. What if next flu season all the vaxxed people start dropping like prom dresses?Cassandros wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 12:11 amIt could be worse than that.
I was listening to some of Geert Vanden Bossche, a very pro-vaccine and prominent microbiologist, and he made an interesting point that very few people have considered. In a nutshell, he talks about how the vaccine antibodies are both 'targeted' for covid specifically and that they kind of overpower the natural immune systems more versitile antibodies (that can react to any virus).
This could mean two things: one, something I have said a lot, there will be constant needs for new vaccines to match the new covid mutations; and two, which I never considered, is people who get the vaccine(s) are potentially making themselves more vulnerable to other diseases.
He is real dry and has a thick accent, but if you can manage to power through all that he is worth a listen.
Especially as annual covid boosters become a thing...
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i notice one thing about you anti-vaxxers (sorry, but if it quacks....)
if you make a point with some kind of study you have heard and then you find out its completely debunked and wrong, that doesn't matter. you just move on to some new reason. When a person goes to that much trouble to defend a position, then they aren't using logic. I have to go back to just assuming you are scared of a needle. its the only thing that makes any sense.
if you make a point with some kind of study you have heard and then you find out its completely debunked and wrong, that doesn't matter. you just move on to some new reason. When a person goes to that much trouble to defend a position, then they aren't using logic. I have to go back to just assuming you are scared of a needle. its the only thing that makes any sense.
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Moving on to the next reason may just mean we have several reasons why we feel the way we do. You have not debunked every reason. Also you are wrong..No problem with needles. I am just not convinced it's a good choice for me.Animal wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 12:33 am i notice one thing about you anti-vaxxers (sorry, but if it quacks....)
if you make a point with some kind of study you have heard and then you find out its completely debunked and wrong, that doesn't matter. you just move on to some new reason. When a person goes to that much trouble to defend a position, then they aren't using logic. I have to go back to just assuming you are scared of a needle. its the only thing that makes any sense.
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Anual boosters! Yay!! Keep the grift going, keep pharmas money rolling in!Cassandros wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 12:18 amIts certainly a possibility.theclap wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 7:51 pmCytokine storm. What if next flu season all the vaxxed people start dropping like prom dresses?Cassandros wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 12:11 amIt could be worse than that.
I was listening to some of Geert Vanden Bossche, a very pro-vaccine and prominent microbiologist, and he made an interesting point that very few people have considered. In a nutshell, he talks about how the vaccine antibodies are both 'targeted' for covid specifically and that they kind of overpower the natural immune systems more versitile antibodies (that can react to any virus).
This could mean two things: one, something I have said a lot, there will be constant needs for new vaccines to match the new covid mutations; and two, which I never considered, is people who get the vaccine(s) are potentially making themselves more vulnerable to other diseases.
He is real dry and has a thick accent, but if you can manage to power through all that he is worth a listen.
Especially as annual covid boosters become a thing...
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You said "it's not a good choice for me" 14 times in this thread. How about you shut the fuck up already?theclap wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 1:18 amMoving on to the next reason may just mean we have several reasons why we feel the way we do. You have not debunked every reason. Also you are wrong..No problem with needles. I am just not convinced it's a good choice for me.Animal wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 12:33 am i notice one thing about you anti-vaxxers (sorry, but if it quacks....)
if you make a point with some kind of study you have heard and then you find out its completely debunked and wrong, that doesn't matter. you just move on to some new reason. When a person goes to that much trouble to defend a position, then they aren't using logic. I have to go back to just assuming you are scared of a needle. its the only thing that makes any sense.
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Animal says he needs to work to change my mind so my thought is relevant. Grow up, get a women, have some kids. Stop drooling over sailors.CaptQuint wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 1:22 amYou said "it's not a good choice for me" 14 times in this thread. How about you shut the fuck up already?theclap wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 1:18 amMoving on to the next reason may just mean we have several reasons why we feel the way we do. You have not debunked every reason. Also you are wrong..No problem with needles. I am just not convinced it's a good choice for me.Animal wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 12:33 am i notice one thing about you anti-vaxxers (sorry, but if it quacks....)
if you make a point with some kind of study you have heard and then you find out its completely debunked and wrong, that doesn't matter. you just move on to some new reason. When a person goes to that much trouble to defend a position, then they aren't using logic. I have to go back to just assuming you are scared of a needle. its the only thing that makes any sense.
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list a reason that i haven't debunked. i would honestly like to hear one that makes sense to me.theclap wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 1:18 amMoving on to the next reason may just mean we have several reasons why we feel the way we do. You have not debunked every reason. Also you are wrong..No problem with needles. I am just not convinced it's a good choice for me.Animal wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 12:33 am i notice one thing about you anti-vaxxers (sorry, but if it quacks....)
if you make a point with some kind of study you have heard and then you find out its completely debunked and wrong, that doesn't matter. you just move on to some new reason. When a person goes to that much trouble to defend a position, then they aren't using logic. I have to go back to just assuming you are scared of a needle. its the only thing that makes any sense.
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5% of covid deaths are from covid only.Animal wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 1:26 amlist a reason that i haven't debunked. i would honestly like to hear one that makes sense to me.theclap wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 1:18 amMoving on to the next reason may just mean we have several reasons why we feel the way we do. You have not debunked every reason. Also you are wrong..No problem with needles. I am just not convinced it's a good choice for me.Animal wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 12:33 am i notice one thing about you anti-vaxxers (sorry, but if it quacks....)
if you make a point with some kind of study you have heard and then you find out its completely debunked and wrong, that doesn't matter. you just move on to some new reason. When a person goes to that much trouble to defend a position, then they aren't using logic. I have to go back to just assuming you are scared of a needle. its the only thing that makes any sense.
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When you go thru this much effort to defend your position, you aren't using logic.