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CHEEZY17 wrote: Wed Mar 06, 2019 12:49 am
analhamster wrote: Wed Mar 06, 2019 12:46 am
CHEEZY17 wrote: Wed Mar 06, 2019 12:30 am If 100,000 people trying to enter your country illegally within a 3 month span shouldn't be considered a crisis, what would be?
The bulk of them are actually just getting a toe across then waiting for border patrol to request asylum, and the reason they're doing that is Trump choosing to shut down asylum claims at ports of entry. It's a trump manufactured crisis and the solution, which congress was happy to fund, is providing more resources for immigration detention centres and courts.

Do you think there's been an emergency since 1971? Are you aware that even trump accidentally admitted that it's not really an emergency now?
Yes, it was a bigger problem then and it's still a problem now. You can spin it however you want: 100,000 people in a 3 month span trying to enter our country illegally is a problem.
It's not an emergency, particularly when the majority of them are actively seeking to claim asylum in a legal process. The only thing preventing them doing it at ports of entry is trump's choice not to let them. Under anyone other than trump congress would have been allowed to take the obvious step of increasing resources to process the slight increase in numbers. A competent president would be exploring aid packages to the countries that are the source of the migrants too.

You neglected to answer whether you are aware your incompetent hero accidentally admitted it wasn't an emergency while declaring it was.
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spudoc wrote: Wed Mar 06, 2019 12:59 am
captquint wrote: Wed Mar 06, 2019 12:55 am You would think Cheezy made the campaign promise lol
To be fair, with him living in Michigan and having illegals scurrying through his yard as they cross the border, it's an issue that is close to him.
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analhamster wrote: Wed Mar 06, 2019 12:59 am
CHEEZY17 wrote: Wed Mar 06, 2019 12:49 am
analhamster wrote: Wed Mar 06, 2019 12:46 am
CHEEZY17 wrote: Wed Mar 06, 2019 12:30 am If 100,000 people trying to enter your country illegally within a 3 month span shouldn't be considered a crisis, what would be?
The bulk of them are actually just getting a toe across then waiting for border patrol to request asylum, and the reason they're doing that is Trump choosing to shut down asylum claims at ports of entry. It's a trump manufactured crisis and the solution, which congress was happy to fund, is providing more resources for immigration detention centres and courts.

Do you think there's been an emergency since 1971? Are you aware that even trump accidentally admitted that it's not really an emergency now?
Yes, it was a bigger problem then and it's still a problem now. You can spin it however you want: 100,000 people in a 3 month span trying to enter our country illegally is a problem.
It's not an emergency, particularly when the majority of them are actively seeking to claim asylum in a legal process. The only thing preventing them doing it at ports of entry is trump's choice not to let them. Under anyone other than trump congress would have been allowed to take the obvious step of increasing resources to process the slight increase in numbers. A competent president would be exploring aid packages to the countries that are the source of the migrants too.

You neglected to answer whether you are aware your incompetent hero accidentally admitted it wasn't an emergency while declaring it was.
Yes, I am aware. That doesn't change the numbers. They are what they are. I agree with more resources to handle them. Everyone agrees there's a problem. Some just think it's more important than others do. Donny fucked himself when he said he'd own the shutdown. He had a solid deal and his ego got in the way.
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CHEEZY17 wrote: Wed Mar 06, 2019 1:04 am
analhamster wrote: Wed Mar 06, 2019 12:59 am
CHEEZY17 wrote: Wed Mar 06, 2019 12:49 am
analhamster wrote: Wed Mar 06, 2019 12:46 am
CHEEZY17 wrote: Wed Mar 06, 2019 12:30 am If 100,000 people trying to enter your country illegally within a 3 month span shouldn't be considered a crisis, what would be?
The bulk of them are actually just getting a toe across then waiting for border patrol to request asylum, and the reason they're doing that is Trump choosing to shut down asylum claims at ports of entry. It's a trump manufactured crisis and the solution, which congress was happy to fund, is providing more resources for immigration detention centres and courts.

Do you think there's been an emergency since 1971? Are you aware that even trump accidentally admitted that it's not really an emergency now?
Yes, it was a bigger problem then and it's still a problem now. You can spin it however you want: 100,000 people in a 3 month span trying to enter our country illegally is a problem.
It's not an emergency, particularly when the majority of them are actively seeking to claim asylum in a legal process. The only thing preventing them doing it at ports of entry is trump's choice not to let them. Under anyone other than trump congress would have been allowed to take the obvious step of increasing resources to process the slight increase in numbers. A competent president would be exploring aid packages to the countries that are the source of the migrants too.

You neglected to answer whether you are aware your incompetent hero accidentally admitted it wasn't an emergency while declaring it was.
Yes, I am aware. That doesn't change the numbers. They are what they are. I agree with more resources to handle them. Everyone agrees there's a problem. Some just think it's more important than others do. Donny fucked himself when he said he'd own the shutdown. He had a solid deal and his ego got in the way.
Uh huh, a national emergency starting 40 years ago suddenly becomes one when it hits the lowest point since then. Makes all kinds of sense.

Trump admitting he's faking an emergency indeed does not change the numbers, but it does make you look even more stoopid for not admitting what the numbers show. An emergency, it ain't.

And his wall, now fence, is not a solid idea, it's a pretty stupid idea. It was a campaign slogan rather than an actual plan. No affect on asylum claims and not really gonna have much effect on illegal crossings either since trump has to insist on it being a dumb wall (sans sensors) to avoid costs spiralling. 2000 miles of largely unmonitored fencing. However will anyone dig, climb or cut through that?
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analhamster wrote: Wed Mar 06, 2019 1:14 am
CHEEZY17 wrote: Wed Mar 06, 2019 1:04 am
analhamster wrote: Wed Mar 06, 2019 12:59 am
CHEEZY17 wrote: Wed Mar 06, 2019 12:49 am
analhamster wrote: Wed Mar 06, 2019 12:46 am
CHEEZY17 wrote: Wed Mar 06, 2019 12:30 am If 100,000 people trying to enter your country illegally within a 3 month span shouldn't be considered a crisis, what would be?
The bulk of them are actually just getting a toe across then waiting for border patrol to request asylum, and the reason they're doing that is Trump choosing to shut down asylum claims at ports of entry. It's a trump manufactured crisis and the solution, which congress was happy to fund, is providing more resources for immigration detention centres and courts.

Do you think there's been an emergency since 1971? Are you aware that even trump accidentally admitted that it's not really an emergency now?
Yes, it was a bigger problem then and it's still a problem now. You can spin it however you want: 100,000 people in a 3 month span trying to enter our country illegally is a problem.
It's not an emergency, particularly when the majority of them are actively seeking to claim asylum in a legal process. The only thing preventing them doing it at ports of entry is trump's choice not to let them. Under anyone other than trump congress would have been allowed to take the obvious step of increasing resources to process the slight increase in numbers. A competent president would be exploring aid packages to the countries that are the source of the migrants too.

You neglected to answer whether you are aware your incompetent hero accidentally admitted it wasn't an emergency while declaring it was.
Yes, I am aware. That doesn't change the numbers. They are what they are. I agree with more resources to handle them. Everyone agrees there's a problem. Some just think it's more important than others do. Donny fucked himself when he said he'd own the shutdown. He had a solid deal and his ego got in the way.
Uh huh, a national emergency starting 40 years ago suddenly becomes one when it hits the lowest point since then. Makes all kinds of sense.

Trump admitting he's faking an emergency indeed does not change the numbers, but it does make you look even more stoopid for not admitting what the numbers show. An emergency, it ain't.

And his wall, now fence, is not a solid idea, it's a pretty stupid idea. It was a campaign slogan rather than an actual plan. No affect on asylum claims and not really gonna have much effect on illegal crossings either since trump has to insist on it being a dumb wall (sans sensors) to avoid costs spiralling. 2000 miles of largely unmonitored fencing. However will anyone dig, climb or cut through that?
Just because the numbers were ridiculously high before and are lower now doesnt mean we should ignore them. 100,000 people trying to enter illegally is a problem no matter how you cut it. It doesnt matter what happened 30 years ago. It doesnt mnatter what happened 10 years ago. What matters is that 100,000 people trying to enter our country illegally right now in a 3 month span is a big fucking problem. This is pretty obvious and 2 lefties right here on the board just admitted it. You would too if you were honest. Imagine 100,000 unskilled, uneducated people trying to enter the UK in a 3 month span. No biggie, right? What, scales not the same? OK, cut in half: 50,000 people. No worries, right? lolz.

Ive never been in favor of a continuous wall. I am in favor of more resources to process illegals to eliminate catch and release. I am only in favor of walls and/or barriers in strategic locations.
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spudoc wrote: Wed Mar 06, 2019 12:59 am
captquint wrote: Wed Mar 06, 2019 12:55 am You would think Cheezy made the campaign promise lol
To be fair, with him living in Michigan and having illegals scurrying through his yard as they cross the border, it's an issue that is close to him.
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So since I don't live in a southern border state I cannot be concerned with who enters our country illegally? By that logic no one anywhere can have a comment or feeling about something that is not happening directly in their state. This is dumb even for you two.
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CHEEZY17 wrote: Wed Mar 06, 2019 3:11 am
spudoc wrote: Wed Mar 06, 2019 12:59 am
captquint wrote: Wed Mar 06, 2019 12:55 am You would think Cheezy made the campaign promise lol
To be fair, with him living in Michigan and having illegals scurrying through his yard as they cross the border, it's an issue that is close to him.
captquint wrote:
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So since I don't live in a southern border state I cannot be concerned with who enters our country illegally? By that logic no one anywhere can have a comment or feeling about something that is not happening directly in their state. This is dumb even for you two.
I’m suggesting that the only reason you see this as a crisis is because you’ve drank the kool aid of your thought masters.
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CHEEZY17 wrote: Wed Mar 06, 2019 3:09 am
analhamster wrote: Wed Mar 06, 2019 1:14 am
CHEEZY17 wrote: Wed Mar 06, 2019 1:04 am
analhamster wrote: Wed Mar 06, 2019 12:59 am
CHEEZY17 wrote: Wed Mar 06, 2019 12:49 am
analhamster wrote: Wed Mar 06, 2019 12:46 am The bulk of them are actually just getting a toe across then waiting for border patrol to request asylum, and the reason they're doing that is Trump choosing to shut down asylum claims at ports of entry. It's a trump manufactured crisis and the solution, which congress was happy to fund, is providing more resources for immigration detention centres and courts.

Do you think there's been an emergency since 1971? Are you aware that even trump accidentally admitted that it's not really an emergency now?
Yes, it was a bigger problem then and it's still a problem now. You can spin it however you want: 100,000 people in a 3 month span trying to enter our country illegally is a problem.
It's not an emergency, particularly when the majority of them are actively seeking to claim asylum in a legal process. The only thing preventing them doing it at ports of entry is trump's choice not to let them. Under anyone other than trump congress would have been allowed to take the obvious step of increasing resources to process the slight increase in numbers. A competent president would be exploring aid packages to the countries that are the source of the migrants too.

You neglected to answer whether you are aware your incompetent hero accidentally admitted it wasn't an emergency while declaring it was.
Yes, I am aware. That doesn't change the numbers. They are what they are. I agree with more resources to handle them. Everyone agrees there's a problem. Some just think it's more important than others do. Donny fucked himself when he said he'd own the shutdown. He had a solid deal and his ego got in the way.
Uh huh, a national emergency starting 40 years ago suddenly becomes one when it hits the lowest point since then. Makes all kinds of sense.

Trump admitting he's faking an emergency indeed does not change the numbers, but it does make you look even more stoopid for not admitting what the numbers show. An emergency, it ain't.

And his wall, now fence, is not a solid idea, it's a pretty stupid idea. It was a campaign slogan rather than an actual plan. No affect on asylum claims and not really gonna have much effect on illegal crossings either since trump has to insist on it being a dumb wall (sans sensors) to avoid costs spiralling. 2000 miles of largely unmonitored fencing. However will anyone dig, climb or cut through that?
Just because the numbers were ridiculously high before and are lower now doesnt mean we should ignore them. 100,000 people trying to enter illegally is a problem no matter how you cut it. It doesnt matter what happened 30 years ago. It doesnt mnatter what happened 10 years ago. What matters is that 100,000 people trying to enter our country illegally right now in a 3 month span is a big fucking problem. This is pretty obvious and 2 lefties right here on the board just admitted it. You would too if you were honest. Imagine 100,000 unskilled, uneducated people trying to enter the UK in a 3 month span. No biggie, right? What, scales not the same? OK, cut in half: 50,000 people. No worries, right? lolz.

Ive never been in favor of a continuous wall. I am in favor of more resources to process illegals to eliminate catch and release. I am only in favor of walls and/or barriers in strategic locations.
It's a problem, it may even be a trump manufactured crisis, but it's not an emergency. Interesting how all the righties are suddenly looking for new terms to avoid saying national emergency, was there a talking points memo? If the UK gets a surge, which happens from time to time, we up the resources needed to lock em all up in camps and process their claims in the courts. It's not rocket science.

Btw, with your opposition to trump's dumb wall and support for increasing INS resources, you're actually in support of dem policy and opposed to trump policy. Whoopsydaisy.
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spudoc wrote: Wed Mar 06, 2019 3:52 am
CHEEZY17 wrote: Wed Mar 06, 2019 3:11 am
spudoc wrote: Wed Mar 06, 2019 12:59 am
captquint wrote: Wed Mar 06, 2019 12:55 am You would think Cheezy made the campaign promise lol
To be fair, with him living in Michigan and having illegals scurrying through his yard as they cross the border, it's an issue that is close to him.
captquint wrote:
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So since I don't live in a southern border state I cannot be concerned with who enters our country illegally? By that logic no one anywhere can have a comment or feeling about something that is not happening directly in their state. This is dumb even for you two.
I’m suggesting that the only reason you see this as a crisis is because you’ve drank the kool aid of your thought masters.
And your suggestion would be wrong. I've hated our porous southern border since I was a kid and learned the history of my family. My family went through the process before coming here legally. All of these people coming illegally are giving a giant "FUCK YOU" to every single person and family who did, are are doing, it the right way.
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Yes, I'm sure the Guatemalans are thinking about all the Germans, Irish and Dutch whilst traversing the desert
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analhamster wrote: Wed Mar 06, 2019 7:03 am
CHEEZY17 wrote: Wed Mar 06, 2019 3:09 am
analhamster wrote: Wed Mar 06, 2019 1:14 am
CHEEZY17 wrote: Wed Mar 06, 2019 1:04 am
analhamster wrote: Wed Mar 06, 2019 12:59 am
CHEEZY17 wrote: Wed Mar 06, 2019 12:49 am Yes, it was a bigger problem then and it's still a problem now. You can spin it however you want: 100,000 people in a 3 month span trying to enter our country illegally is a problem.
It's not an emergency, particularly when the majority of them are actively seeking to claim asylum in a legal process. The only thing preventing them doing it at ports of entry is trump's choice not to let them. Under anyone other than trump congress would have been allowed to take the obvious step of increasing resources to process the slight increase in numbers. A competent president would be exploring aid packages to the countries that are the source of the migrants too.

You neglected to answer whether you are aware your incompetent hero accidentally admitted it wasn't an emergency while declaring it was.
Yes, I am aware. That doesn't change the numbers. They are what they are. I agree with more resources to handle them. Everyone agrees there's a problem. Some just think it's more important than others do. Donny fucked himself when he said he'd own the shutdown. He had a solid deal and his ego got in the way.
Uh huh, a national emergency starting 40 years ago suddenly becomes one when it hits the lowest point since then. Makes all kinds of sense.

Trump admitting he's faking an emergency indeed does not change the numbers, but it does make you look even more stoopid for not admitting what the numbers show. An emergency, it ain't.

And his wall, now fence, is not a solid idea, it's a pretty stupid idea. It was a campaign slogan rather than an actual plan. No affect on asylum claims and not really gonna have much effect on illegal crossings either since trump has to insist on it being a dumb wall (sans sensors) to avoid costs spiralling. 2000 miles of largely unmonitored fencing. However will anyone dig, climb or cut through that?
Just because the numbers were ridiculously high before and are lower now doesnt mean we should ignore them. 100,000 people trying to enter illegally is a problem no matter how you cut it. It doesnt matter what happened 30 years ago. It doesnt mnatter what happened 10 years ago. What matters is that 100,000 people trying to enter our country illegally right now in a 3 month span is a big fucking problem. This is pretty obvious and 2 lefties right here on the board just admitted it. You would too if you were honest. Imagine 100,000 unskilled, uneducated people trying to enter the UK in a 3 month span. No biggie, right? What, scales not the same? OK, cut in half: 50,000 people. No worries, right? lolz.

Ive never been in favor of a continuous wall. I am in favor of more resources to process illegals to eliminate catch and release. I am only in favor of walls and/or barriers in strategic locations.
It's a problem, it may even be a trump manufactured crisis, but it's not an emergency. Interesting how all the righties are suddenly looking for new terms to avoid saying national emergency, was there a talking points memo? If the UK gets a surge, which happens from time to time, we up the resources needed to lock em all up in camps and process their claims in the courts. It's not rocket science.

Btw, with your opposition to trump's dumb wall and support for increasing INS resources, you're actually in support of dem policy and opposed to trump policy. Whoopsydaisy.
I'm not in opposition to a wall. I'm opposed to a continuous wall. Walls in strategic places, manned and monitored are effective deterents. In more obscure and remote places electronic monitoring is fine. Then you add in more resources and personnel to handle the problem, catch and release is eliminated and the tantalizing thought of ease of entry is mitigated if not eliminated. There will still be those who try...and some will even succeed but there is no denying that what we have now is a fucking disaster.

I am aware that that is what the Dims propose. And? The Dims dont want to add any money whatsoever for barriers because the evil orange man wants them; even though thery all approved of barriers just a few years ago. lolz.

I want a mix of more resources and solid effective barriers (call them whatever you want) in strategic places. This is the most eggective way to combat the problem.
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Everywhere except authorized crossing should be seeded with landmines. Drones with high def cameras and camera towers should be posted in all areas. Livestream the feeds on the internet. BorderChallengeMAGA.com It's $10 a month to log on and see the streams, this pays for cameras and new mines. If you make it across the mine field there are Judges on the other side to swear you in as a citizen.
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CHEEZY17 wrote: Wed Mar 06, 2019 12:01 pm I'm not in opposition to a wall. I'm opposed to a continuous wall. Walls in strategic places, manned and monitored are effective deterents. In more obscure and remote places electronic monitoring is fine. Then you add in more resources and personnel to handle the problem, catch and release is eliminated and the tantalizing thought of ease of entry is mitigated if not eliminated. There will still be those who try...and some will even succeed but there is no denying that what we have now is a fucking disaster.

I am aware that that is what the Dims propose. And? The Dims dont want to add any money whatsoever for barriers because the evil orange man wants them; even though thery all approved of barriers just a few years ago. lolz.

I want a mix of more resources and solid effective barriers (call them whatever you want) in strategic places. This is the most eggective way to combat the problem.
The Dems offered 1.5 bn for upgrading sections and building additional smart fencing, before the shutdown, and 1.35bn after trump displayed his incredibly incompetent negotiating skills. Face it, you're a democrat on this one. You stinking commie.

Except for one thing, Dems like catch and release and want to expand it. Trump is too incompetent to end it anyway though.
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analhamster wrote: Wed Mar 06, 2019 12:47 pm
CHEEZY17 wrote: Wed Mar 06, 2019 12:01 pm I'm not in opposition to a wall. I'm opposed to a continuous wall. Walls in strategic places, manned and monitored are effective deterents. In more obscure and remote places electronic monitoring is fine. Then you add in more resources and personnel to handle the problem, catch and release is eliminated and the tantalizing thought of ease of entry is mitigated if not eliminated. There will still be those who try...and some will even succeed but there is no denying that what we have now is a fucking disaster.

I am aware that that is what the Dims propose. And? The Dims dont want to add any money whatsoever for barriers because the evil orange man wants them; even though thery all approved of barriers just a few years ago. lolz.

I want a mix of more resources and solid effective barriers (call them whatever you want) in strategic places. This is the most eggective way to combat the problem.
The Dems offered 1.5 bn for upgrading sections and building additional smart fencing, before the shutdown, and 1.35bn after trump displayed his incredibly incompetent negotiating skills. Face it, you're a democrat on this one. You stinking commie.

Except for one thing, Dems like catch and release and want to expand it. Trump is too incompetent to end it anyway though.
And that is why I said a few posts ago he fucked himself with the shutdown. He had a decent deal and his ego got in the way and he shit the bed. This is just another one of the areas where I wish he would have been better. As I mentioned earlier: at the very least Donny has pushed the issue to the forefront of the national debate and we are finally discussing tangible efforts to confront the problem.
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Stupid decisions have consequences, perhaps the next GOP reality tv gameshow host will have better instincts
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CHEEZY17 wrote: Wed Mar 06, 2019 1:00 pm
analhamster wrote: Wed Mar 06, 2019 12:47 pm
CHEEZY17 wrote: Wed Mar 06, 2019 12:01 pm I'm not in opposition to a wall. I'm opposed to a continuous wall. Walls in strategic places, manned and monitored are effective deterents. In more obscure and remote places electronic monitoring is fine. Then you add in more resources and personnel to handle the problem, catch and release is eliminated and the tantalizing thought of ease of entry is mitigated if not eliminated. There will still be those who try...and some will even succeed but there is no denying that what we have now is a fucking disaster.

I am aware that that is what the Dims propose. And? The Dims dont want to add any money whatsoever for barriers because the evil orange man wants them; even though thery all approved of barriers just a few years ago. lolz.

I want a mix of more resources and solid effective barriers (call them whatever you want) in strategic places. This is the most eggective way to combat the problem.
The Dems offered 1.5 bn for upgrading sections and building additional smart fencing, before the shutdown, and 1.35bn after trump displayed his incredibly incompetent negotiating skills. Face it, you're a democrat on this one. You stinking commie.

Except for one thing, Dems like catch and release and want to expand it. Trump is too incompetent to end it anyway though.
And that is why I said a few posts ago he fucked himself with the shutdown. He had a decent deal and his ego got in the way and he shit the bed. This is just another one of the areas where I wish he would have been better. As I mentioned earlier: at the very least Donny has pushed the issue to the forefront of the national debate and we are finally discussing tangible efforts to confront the problem.
Well incremental baby steps at least, as before. The big immigration overhaul will have to wait for a competent negotiator who isn't obsessed over a campaign slogan. Something like the 2013 senate bill that the gop house majority refused to consider.
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https://pjmedia.com/michaelwalsh/somali ... something/

Minneapolis is becoming Mogadishu.
There's a problem, though. The Somalis are classified as refugees (from what? Their own societal dysfunction?) but traditionally refugees and displaced persons have been settled safely in DP camps until such time as their home countries have at least a semblance of order restored, and then they are sent home. But the Left has changed the definition to mean that "refugees" are now simply permanent Americans-in-waiting. The Greeks who came to America in the 19th and 20th centuries often stayed for a time, made some money, and then went back to their wives and children in Hellas; the same was true to a lesser extent of the Sicilians. But the likelihood of the Somalis ever returning to Somalia is nil.
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Charliesheen wrote: Wed Mar 06, 2019 3:29 pm https://pjmedia.com/michaelwalsh/somali ... something/

Minneapolis is becoming Mogadishu.
There's a problem, though. The Somalis are classified as refugees (from what? Their own societal dysfunction?) but traditionally refugees and displaced persons have been settled safely in DP camps until such time as their home countries have at least a semblance of order restored, and then they are sent home. But the Left has changed the definition to mean that "refugees" are now simply permanent Americans-in-waiting. The Greeks who came to America in the 19th and 20th centuries often stayed for a time, made some money, and then went back to their wives and children in Hellas; the same was true to a lesser extent of the Sicilians. But the likelihood of the Somalis ever returning to Somalia is nil.
I'm not certain but I believe that's where the Jew hater in congress hails from.
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captquint wrote: Wed Mar 06, 2019 11:57 am Yes, I'm sure the Guatemalans are thinking about all the Germans, Irish and Dutch whilst traversing the desert
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There wasn't a crisis when Clinton and Obama said there was one.
There isn't a crisis now.
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:dope:
CHEEZY17 wrote: Wed Mar 06, 2019 11:52 am
spudoc wrote: Wed Mar 06, 2019 3:52 am
CHEEZY17 wrote: Wed Mar 06, 2019 3:11 am
spudoc wrote: Wed Mar 06, 2019 12:59 am
captquint wrote: Wed Mar 06, 2019 12:55 am You would think Cheezy made the campaign promise lol
To be fair, with him living in Michigan and having illegals scurrying through his yard as they cross the border, it's an issue that is close to him.
The biggest fuck you is to minorities, tradespeople and those working menial jobs. But then again, supply and demand is anathema to the really smart economists. Can’t let wages rise to an unreasonable level, unless it’s by big gubmint fiat/decree, can we?
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So since I don't live in a southern border state I cannot be concerned with who enters our country illegally? By that logic no one anywhere can have a comment or feeling about something that is not happening directly in their state. This is dumb even for you two.
I’m suggesting that the only reason you see this as a crisis is because you’ve drank the kool aid of your thought masters.
And your suggestion would be wrong. I've hated our porous southern border since I was a kid and learned the history of my family. My family went through the process before coming here legally. All of these people coming illegally are giving a giant "FUCK YOU" to every single person and family who did, are are doing, it the right way.
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The biggest fuck you is to minorities, tradespeople and those working menial jobs. But then again, supply and demand is anathema to the really smart economists. Can’t let wages rise to an unreasonable level, unless it’s by big gubmint fiat/decree, can we?
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If communicable disease outbreaks like homo super clap don’t cause a rise, mumps probably won’t do it either.

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The president’s sons entrusted their private hunting retreat to a caretaker. He was working in the country illegally.

WINGDALE, N.Y. — One morning last May, Eric Trump sent a text message to the caretaker of the shooting range he and his brother own in Upstate New York. The weather was getting warmer, and it was time to plant crops to attract deer that the Trumps and their friends could hunt.

“Juan — how are the fields coming along,” Eric Trump wrote to Juan Quintero. “They need to be planted in the next week or so in order to make the season. Hope you are great.”

“I’m working in it,” Quintero replied in his limited English.

Quintero, 42, was so trusted by the Trumps that he had not one but two jobs working for the family. He was a greenskeeper at the Trump National Golf Club Hudson Valley in Hopewell Junction, N.Y., where he would work eight-hour shifts on weekdays. Then he would put in five more hours each day as a contractor at the 171-acre hunting retreat called Leather Hill Preserve, which serves as a private weekend playground for President Trump’s sons and the property’s co-owners.


He also was an immigrant from Mexico who had crossed the border more than two decades ago and was working illegally in the United States.

In January, Quintero lost his golf course job after 18 years of employment — part of a purge of undocumented workers from Trump’s businesses amid revelations that the company relied on illegal labor for years, well into Trump’s presidency. Gone, too, was his side job at the hunting retreat.

“All of the years you give them, and they just let you go,” Quintero said in a recent interview at his home in Poughkeepsie, N.Y. “They do not say, ‘Let’s do something, let’s try to help you.’ They simply said, ‘Your documents are not valid,’ and that is it.”

Quintero said he never directly told Eric Trump about his immigration status. But he said he remained employed by the hunting lodge for more than a year after not providing the owners with a Social Security number when they sought to issue him a debit card.


Quintero, whose work at the shooting range has not been previously disclosed, is the second undocumented employee to step forward in recent weeks to say he did work directly to assist Eric Trump, who along with brother Donald Trump Jr. has been running the Trump Organization’s day-to-day operations.

Eric Trump, who separately owns Leather Hill Preserve with his brother and several other partners, declined to comment. Trump Jr. did not respond to requests for comment. It is unclear whether they knew about Quintero’s immigration status.

Quintero’s relationship with the president’s son shows how the Trump family’s reliance on low-wage immigrants without legal status has gone beyond its golf courses. His work at the shooting range deepens questions about what measures the Trump family and its businesses have taken to prevent the hiring of workers the president casts as invaders and criminals.


[‘My whole town practically lived there’: From Costa Rica to New Jersey, a pipeline of illegal workers for Trump goes back years]

Quintero said he met with Eric Trump to discuss his job duties and shared copies of text messages sent from a number matching that of Trump’s personal cellphone — saved in his contacts under the name “Erik Boss.”

The exchanges show that Eric Trump closely tracked Quintero’s work.

“Hi Juan. How is the planting coming along? Did you ever get to the small fields — the two off of the rifle range and the soy bean plot?” Trump wrote nine days after first texting the caretaker about the fields.

“Rapido, my friend,” another owner, Jeffrey Ferraro, chimed in. “Mas rapido pot favor ,” he wrote, making an apparent typo.

In recent months, The Washington Post has reported that the Trump Organization employed immigrant workers without legal status at five golf courses in New York and New Jersey. One of the president’s prized properties, a club in Bedminster, N.J., was built and maintained by dozens of laborers from Costa Rica and other Latin American countries who worked there for more than 16 years.


In all, The Post has interviewed 33 immigrants who have worked for the president’s clubs without legal status. Among them was Gabriel Sedano, a maintenance worker from Mexico who told The Post in January that he had a set of keys for a home that Eric Trump used at the Trump course in Westchester County, N.Y. Sedano was responsible for taking out the trash and making repairs, he said.

Quintero and other former Trump workers said they believe that their supervisors knew they lacked legal status — and that the company appeared concerned about violating immigration laws only in recent months.

After the New York Times published a report in December about two immigrant housekeepers who worked at the Bedminster club without proper documentation, the company began an audit of its workforce and fired workers at various properties.


In January, the Trump Organization announced that it would expand the use of the government’s E-Verify program to screen new hires at all of its U.S. properties. The company had not widely used the tool, despite a claim to the contrary by Trump during the 2016 presidential campaign.

Eric Trump has described the process of firing workers as “truly heartbreaking,” adding, “Our employees are like family, but when presented with fake documents, an employer has little choice.

“This situation is not unique to Trump Organization — it is one that all companies face,” he said. “It demonstrates that our immigration system is severely broken and needs to be fixed immediately.”

[Trump’s company plans to expand check of employees’ legal status following report that it hired undocumented workers for years]


Like other Trump workers who have lost their jobs, Quintero said he presented a phony green card when he was hired at the golf course by its previous owners. He said he used the same false papers to continue working there after Trump acquired the property in 2009. When Quintero got the offer in 2016 to tend to the brothers’ hunting retreat, he said, no one asked about his legal status.


Having lost both jobs, Quintero now fears being deported and separated from his wife and four U.S.-born sons.

His attorney, Anibal Romero, who represents dozens of immigrants fired from Trump properties, said Quintero is among several clients who have been interviewed by the New York State Attorney General’s Office in recent weeks.

Attorney General Letitia James (D) has not announced a formal investigation of the Trumps’ hiring practices. A spokeswoman for James declined to comment.

Romero said his clients are cooperating with authorities and should be shielded from deportation. “They are material witnesses to federal and state crimes, and any attempt to remove them from the United States should be considered obstruction of justice,” he said.

Quintero said he wanted to speak publicly because he has been stung by the president’s disparaging words about Hispanic migrants.


“I want them to recognize the good that we do,” Quintero said. “Eighteen years of working [at the golf club] should shed a light that we are not the people that he says we are: bad, rapist, drug dealers, the worst that they say that we are.”



Quintero’s journey to the Trump golf club and the Trump brothers’ hunting retreat began in Valle de Chalco, a working-class suburb of Mexico City. As a teenager, he said, he crossed the border in Tijuana, then made his way to New York City, where his father was living.

Quintero said he sold flowers without a permit on the sidewalks of Chinatown, dodging police who would confiscate his merchandise on occasion. He eventually moved to Poughkeepsie, where his uncle lived, and worked at a furniture factory. Then, through a family friend, Quintero said, he found a job watering the grass at the Branton Woods Golf Club, about 60 miles north of Manhattan.


He filled out the paperwork with a fake green card in his name. “They never told me anything about whether they were good or not,” he said of his bosses.

When Trump bought the golf course in 2009, he changed its name to Trump National Golf Club Hudson Valley. Quintero said he showed his new managers the same phony documents he’d used before. Golf club officials did not respond to requests for comment.

Trump increased his salary — first by a dollar, to $15 an hour, and eventually to the $18.75 rate he was earning at the time he lost his job, Quintero said.

Quintero, who specialized in spraying herbicides and other chemicals on the course, said he was proud to work for such a famous man.

Once, when Trump was playing at the course, Quintero remembers sitting on a tractor by the 14th hole. Trump shook his hand and asked Quintero how long he’d worked there, he recalled. Trump tipped him $50 and told him to buy his wife a nice lunch. They bought beer instead and had a backyard cookout.

“He’s not bad,” Quintero recalled thinking of Trump. “To give us a job and not check papers.”

In 2016, Quintero said, one of his bosses at the golf club offered him a second job at the shooting range that belonged to the president’s sons. They were looking for someone to clear brush, mow the grass and maintain the off-road vehicles in the garage.

The Trump brothers and at least three partners had bought the Leather Hill estate — a house, some fields and a wooded hillside — for $665,000 in 2013, public records show. The property abuts the crumbling campus of a former state psychiatric hospital. Trump does not appear to have any ownership of the property.

Leather Hill’s previous owners had raised free-range chickens and sold produce at the Union Square farmers market in Manhattan, neighbor Elisabetta Berghold said.

The forest near the house had an easement where a utility line once cut through, leaving a long, straight slash through the trees. It was an ideal spot for target practice, with a tower from which the brothers could fire the kind of rifles used for trophy and big-game hunting.

“One of the fields has a 500-yard range thanks to Eric Trump, who put it together,” wrote Peter Lewis Horn II, one of the owners of the property, who described it in his memoir, “Hunting Across the Danube.” Horn declined to comment.

Last year, several neighbors began complaining publicly that loud booms of gunfire on the weekends rattled their windows and frightened their pets.

“Every neighbor I’ve talked to is against” the shooting range, said Mike Dougherty, who lives about half a mile away. “You’re sitting outside and enjoying a lunch, and suddenly you hear an explosion. You can’t relax. It’s very unsettling.”


President Trump’s two eldest sons co-own the Leather Hill Preserve, a hunting retreat in Wingdale, where Quintero would go on weekdays, at the end of an eight-hour shift at the Trump golf course, to put in five more hours of work. (Alice Li/The Washington Post)




For Quintero, who was usually there alone during the week, the shooting range was a peaceful, somewhat solitary place — but a welcome source of extra income. He liked the responsibility of working for the president’s family and learning new skills. He said he would watch online videos about growing crops and attracting deer.

“It was the first time I was responsible for an estate or property like this,” Quintero said. “It felt like a new challenge in life.”

When he was hired, Quintero was required to sign a contract stating that he “will not disclose to anyone, and always keep secret” any details about the property and its owners, according to a copy he showed The Post. The contract stated that he would be paid on a “Project by Project basis” and would be responsible for paying all taxes.

Quintero was not asked to fill out a form attesting to his employment eligibility, his attorney said.

Quintero was paid $1,000 a month for working up to 25 hours per week, according to a copy of a paycheck he provided to The Post.

He said he usually communicated via group text with Eric Trump and Ferraro, who was listed in Quintero’s phone contacts as “Boss Montaña.”

They talked about planting schedules and repairs; at one point, Quintero was instructed to install a hose in a chicken coop where the owners field-dressed dead deer. He alerted them in August when a small snake slipped into the house.

Although the work was spooky at times, alone in the woods, he considered it “an honor.”

“One feels happy to say, ‘Oh, wow, I am working for the president’s son, on his property,’ ” he said.

Quintero said that his job didn’t change when Trump was elected president, but that the security did. At one point in early 2017, he said, Ferraro called him to the property — and Secret Service agents stopped him at the gate.

“That day to me was shocking,” Quintero said. “I did not expect to find the Secret Service or Eric when I arrived. My reaction was, ‘Wow, he is here,’ ” referring to the president’s son.

The meeting was to discuss Quintero’s maintenance duties on the property. When he sat down, he recalled that Eric Trump asked him if he needed anything.

“The thought hit me that yes, I need my papers,” Quintero recalled. “Right now, that’s the only thing I need.”

But Quintero said his immigration status was not discussed during that 15- to 20-minute encounter.

However, the subject came up several months later. In mid-2017, Quintero said, Ferraro sent him a message asking for his Social Security number because he wanted to get him a debit card to buy supplies for the property.

Quintero never responded. Panicked, he said he turned to the closest neighbor to Leather Hill, a man named Thomas Sartoris, who was friendly with Ferraro and the Trumps.

“He always helped me whenever I had a problem,” Quintero said.

Quintero said Sartoris urged him to be honest.

“Tell him you don’t have a Social. Even better, tell him to help fix your papers,” Quintero recalled Sartoris saying. “You work for the son of the president, you work for the president. How many years have you worked for them? Let them help you.”

A few weeks later, Quintero found a debit card left for him in a garage on the property where he collected his paychecks and left his receipts. The card, a photo of which was viewed by The Post, was under the name Jason Decker, Leather Hill Preserve, and issued by TD Bank, where Ferraro works as a financial adviser.

Quintero said that Sartoris told him that he had passed along Quintero’s concerns about having a fake Social Security number to Ferraro.

Sartoris told The Post that he knew Quintero but declined to comment further. Ferraro did not return repeated requests for comment.

Quintero said he never spoke about the issue with Ferraro or the Trumps.

Jason Decker is one of the owners of the hunting property, according to another owner, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the group’s private dealings.

Quintero said he had never heard of Decker. The Post could not reach Decker to confirm his connection to Leather Hill.

Quintero said he used the card in Decker’s name regularly, making purchases of up to $1,900 at a time for repairs and supplies such as seed and fertilizer.

In January, Quintero said he was called to a meeting with a human resources executive at the Hudson Valley golf course, who told him that his papers were not genuine and that he needed to submit real documents.

Quintero said he never went back — and assumed that meant he also had lost his job at the hunting retreat. He did not return to the property and said he has not heard from Eric Trump. He said Ferraro called once last month, after inquiries from The Post, but Quintero did not call him back.





U.S. labor laws require employers to verify an employee’s eligibility to work, and companies can face civil and criminal penalties for hiring illegal workers.

Employers generally do not have to file a form used to verify identity and work authorization for independent contractors or those who do “casual domestic services,” according to U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services. Federal law still prohibits people from knowingly hiring a person not authorized to work in the United States as a contractor.

Romero said that Quintero’s relationship with Leather Hill’s owners was in effect that of an employee, not a contractor. Unlike a typical contractor — such as a house painter or a handyman working a short-term job — Quintero did not bring his own tools or supplies. He worked a regular schedule — up to 25 hours per week. And contractors typically aren’t provided with a debit card for expenses, Romero said.

“You can put many things on paper, but if the reality of the facts are not a reflection of what actually happens, then that’s what matters in court,” he said.

Quintero now worries about how to find a new job and support his family. He could apply at other golf courses in the Hudson Valley area, but he said he doesn’t think they would be willing to hire someone without real documents.

“I am the backbone of the house — what am I going to do now?” Quintero said. “One feels worst when you have kids and a family, and you’re the only provider. The kids ask me: ‘What are you doing here, Daddy? You did not go to work?’ ”

“It hurts to tell them, ‘Well, I don’t have this paper, I don’t have papers,’ ” he added.

He said his oldest son now knows what that means, asking, “Are they are going to deport you?”

Quintero said he cannot imagine relocating his American children to Mexico.

“I believe they belong here,” he said. “What happened to me is a part of life for not having the right papers.”

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No children are in cages Mr. Chairman. Secretary Nielsen.


Okay lets just call them kennels then


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