does a football coach wear a helmet and pads when he's on the sidelines? does a hospital administrator wear a gown when he's in his office? Does a construction foreman wear a harness when he's in his pickup and his crew are up on some scaffolding? you are literally the dumbest fuck alive.Stapes wrote: ↑Tue Dec 08, 2020 10:34 pmSo just going to ignore the whole lead by example part then fraud? Everybody on that stage in masked up but Mr. I fucking know better has to strut around while infections and deaths are higher than ever on his watch. Never even mentions the death rate or infections anymore......won't take questions.....Didn't even mention Pearl Harbor even once yesterday the fucking so called war time president.....what a joke you defenders areBiker wrote: ↑Tue Dec 08, 2020 10:26 pmThe science that there is no need for someone with antibodies to wear a mask that they cannot get, you ignorant fuck.Stapes wrote: ↑Tue Dec 08, 2020 10:19 pm
What science DINO? The science you find on parler that backs up your stupid assertions that masks dont work? You're wrong...you have been wrong since March....you will continue to be wrong every step of the way because you are ignorant.
And what kind of Democrat loves him some guns? Fuck you, DINO
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Does a Republican wear kneepads whilst washing Chump's balls?
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That isn't Donald Trump talking about it though is it.....He can tweet a 100 times a day about election fraud but no acknowledgement of covid deaths or pearl harbor.....you know....like the Commander in Chief is expected to do.
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Thats literally his tweet acknowledging Pearl Harbor Day. Can you read?
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He only likes losers and suckers that don't drown in capsized battleships
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Animal wrote: ↑Tue Dec 08, 2020 10:44 pmdoes a football coach wear a helmet and pads when he's on the sidelines? does a hospital administrator wear a gown when he's in his office? Does a construction foreman wear a harness when he's in his pickup and his crew are up on some scaffolding? you are literally the dumbest fuck alive.Stapes wrote: ↑Tue Dec 08, 2020 10:34 pmSo just going to ignore the whole lead by example part then fraud? Everybody on that stage in masked up but Mr. I fucking know better has to strut around while infections and deaths are higher than ever on his watch. Never even mentions the death rate or infections anymore......won't take questions.....Didn't even mention Pearl Harbor even once yesterday the fucking so called war time president.....what a joke you defenders areBiker wrote: ↑Tue Dec 08, 2020 10:26 pmThe science that there is no need for someone with antibodies to wear a mask that they cannot get, you ignorant fuck.Stapes wrote: ↑Tue Dec 08, 2020 10:19 pm
What science DINO? The science you find on parler that backs up your stupid assertions that masks dont work? You're wrong...you have been wrong since March....you will continue to be wrong every step of the way because you are ignorant.
And what kind of Democrat loves him some guns? Fuck you, DINO
Pathetic arguement.....lol It's so silly I'm not even going to bother.
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Biker wrote: ↑Tue Dec 08, 2020 10:50 pmThats literally his tweet acknowledging Pearl Harbor Day. Can you read?
So an aide copy and pasted something from whitehouse.gov......I'm inspired.
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Nice goalpost shiftStapes wrote: ↑Tue Dec 08, 2020 10:54 pmBiker wrote: ↑Tue Dec 08, 2020 10:50 pmThats literally his tweet acknowledging Pearl Harbor Day. Can you read?
So an aide copy and pasted something from whitehouse.gov......I'm inspired.
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Biker wrote: ↑Tue Dec 08, 2020 10:56 pmNice goalpost shiftStapes wrote: ↑Tue Dec 08, 2020 10:54 pmBiker wrote: ↑Tue Dec 08, 2020 10:50 pmThats literally his tweet acknowledging Pearl Harbor Day. Can you read?
So an aide copy and pasted something from whitehouse.gov......I'm inspired.
Never saw a Democrat work so hard to defend trump...lol
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I'll pull off my shorts and you can wash my balls, traitor
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Here’s Why Vaccinated People Still Need to Wear a Mask
The new vaccines will probably prevent you from getting sick with Covid. No one knows yet whether they will keep you from spreading the virus to others — but that information is coming.
The new Covid-19 vaccines from Pfizer and Moderna seem to be remarkably good at preventing serious illness. But it’s unclear how well they will curb the spread of the coronavirus.
That’s because the Pfizer and Moderna trials tracked only how many vaccinated people became sick with Covid-19. That leaves open the possibility that some vaccinated people get infected without developing symptoms, and could then silently transmit the virus — especially if they come in close contact with others or stop wearing masks.
If vaccinated people are silent spreaders of the virus, they may keep it circulating in their communities, putting unvaccinated people at risk.
“A lot of people are thinking that once they get vaccinated, they’re not going to have to wear masks anymore,” said Michal Tal, an immunologist at Stanford University. “It’s really going to be critical for them to know if they have to keep wearing masks, because they could still be contagious.”
In most respiratory infections, including the new coronavirus, the nose is the main port of entry. The virus rapidly multiplies there, jolting the immune system to produce a type of antibodies that are specific to mucosa, the moist tissue lining the nose, mouth, lungs and stomach. If the same person is exposed to the virus a second time, those antibodies, as well as immune cells that remember the virus, rapidly shut down the virus in the nose before it gets a chance to take hold elsewhere in the body.
The coronavirus vaccines, in contrast, are injected deep into the muscles and quickly absorbed into the blood, where they stimulate the immune system to produce antibodies. This appears to be enough protection to keep the vaccinated person from getting ill.
Some of those antibodies will circulate to the nasal mucosa and stand guard there, but it’s not clear how much of the antibody pool can be mobilized, or how quickly. If the answer is not much, then viruses could bloom in the nose — and be sneezed or breathed out to infect others.
“It’s a race: It depends whether the virus can replicate faster, or the immune system can control it faster,” said Marion Pepper, an immunologist at the University of Washington in Seattle. “It’s a really important question.”
This is why mucosal vaccines, like the nasal spray FluMist or the oral polio vaccine, are better than intramuscular injections at fending off respiratory viruses, experts said.
The next generation of coronavirus vaccines may elicit immunity in the nose and the rest of the respiratory tract, where it’s most needed. Or people could get an intramuscular injection followed by a mucosal boost that produces protective antibodies in the nose and throat.
The coronavirus vaccines have proved to be powerful shields against severe illness, but that is no guarantee of their efficacy in the nose. The lungs — the site of severe symptoms — are much more accessible to the circulating antibodies than the nose or throat, making them easier to safeguard.
“Preventing severe disease is easiest, preventing mild disease is harder, and preventing all infections is the hardest,” said Deepta Bhattacharya, an immunologist at the University of Arizona. “If it’s 95 percent effective at preventing symptomatic disease, it’s going to be something less than that in preventing all infections, for sure.”
Still, he and other experts said they were optimistic that the vaccines would suppress the virus enough even in the nose and throat to prevent immunized people from spreading it to others.
“My feeling is that once you develop some form of immunity with the vaccine, your ability to get infected will also go down,” said Akiko Iwasaki, an immunologist at Yale University. “Even if you’re infected, the level of virus that you replicate in your nose should be reduced.”
The vaccine trials have not produced data on how many vaccinated people were infected with the virus but did not have symptoms. Some hints are emerging, however.
AstraZeneca, which announced some of its trial results in November, said that volunteers had been testing themselves regularly for the virus, and that those results suggested that the vaccine might prevent some infections.
Pfizer will test a subset of its trial participants for antibodies against a viral protein called N. Because the vaccines have nothing to do with this protein, N antibodies would reveal whether the volunteers had become infected with the virus after immunization, said Jerica Pitts, a spokeswoman for the company.
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The new vaccines will probably prevent you from getting sick with Covid. No one knows yet whether they will keep you from spreading the virus to others — but that information is coming.
The new Covid-19 vaccines from Pfizer and Moderna seem to be remarkably good at preventing serious illness. But it’s unclear how well they will curb the spread of the coronavirus.
That’s because the Pfizer and Moderna trials tracked only how many vaccinated people became sick with Covid-19. That leaves open the possibility that some vaccinated people get infected without developing symptoms, and could then silently transmit the virus — especially if they come in close contact with others or stop wearing masks.
If vaccinated people are silent spreaders of the virus, they may keep it circulating in their communities, putting unvaccinated people at risk.
“A lot of people are thinking that once they get vaccinated, they’re not going to have to wear masks anymore,” said Michal Tal, an immunologist at Stanford University. “It’s really going to be critical for them to know if they have to keep wearing masks, because they could still be contagious.”
In most respiratory infections, including the new coronavirus, the nose is the main port of entry. The virus rapidly multiplies there, jolting the immune system to produce a type of antibodies that are specific to mucosa, the moist tissue lining the nose, mouth, lungs and stomach. If the same person is exposed to the virus a second time, those antibodies, as well as immune cells that remember the virus, rapidly shut down the virus in the nose before it gets a chance to take hold elsewhere in the body.
The coronavirus vaccines, in contrast, are injected deep into the muscles and quickly absorbed into the blood, where they stimulate the immune system to produce antibodies. This appears to be enough protection to keep the vaccinated person from getting ill.
Some of those antibodies will circulate to the nasal mucosa and stand guard there, but it’s not clear how much of the antibody pool can be mobilized, or how quickly. If the answer is not much, then viruses could bloom in the nose — and be sneezed or breathed out to infect others.
“It’s a race: It depends whether the virus can replicate faster, or the immune system can control it faster,” said Marion Pepper, an immunologist at the University of Washington in Seattle. “It’s a really important question.”
This is why mucosal vaccines, like the nasal spray FluMist or the oral polio vaccine, are better than intramuscular injections at fending off respiratory viruses, experts said.
The next generation of coronavirus vaccines may elicit immunity in the nose and the rest of the respiratory tract, where it’s most needed. Or people could get an intramuscular injection followed by a mucosal boost that produces protective antibodies in the nose and throat.
The coronavirus vaccines have proved to be powerful shields against severe illness, but that is no guarantee of their efficacy in the nose. The lungs — the site of severe symptoms — are much more accessible to the circulating antibodies than the nose or throat, making them easier to safeguard.
“Preventing severe disease is easiest, preventing mild disease is harder, and preventing all infections is the hardest,” said Deepta Bhattacharya, an immunologist at the University of Arizona. “If it’s 95 percent effective at preventing symptomatic disease, it’s going to be something less than that in preventing all infections, for sure.”
Still, he and other experts said they were optimistic that the vaccines would suppress the virus enough even in the nose and throat to prevent immunized people from spreading it to others.
“My feeling is that once you develop some form of immunity with the vaccine, your ability to get infected will also go down,” said Akiko Iwasaki, an immunologist at Yale University. “Even if you’re infected, the level of virus that you replicate in your nose should be reduced.”
The vaccine trials have not produced data on how many vaccinated people were infected with the virus but did not have symptoms. Some hints are emerging, however.
AstraZeneca, which announced some of its trial results in November, said that volunteers had been testing themselves regularly for the virus, and that those results suggested that the vaccine might prevent some infections.
Pfizer will test a subset of its trial participants for antibodies against a viral protein called N. Because the vaccines have nothing to do with this protein, N antibodies would reveal whether the volunteers had become infected with the virus after immunization, said Jerica Pitts, a spokeswoman for the company.
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Rudy Giuliani insists ‘you can overdo the masks’ despite being hospitalised with Covid
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Gonna put you in for meme propaganda detention unit. You make one critical of democrats Han will beat you with bamboo.
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Another reason to get lot of people vaccinated is it's likely to bring transmission down. But it's probably going to take almost everyone getting it.
As indicated, some folks might still be able to transmit it after vaccination, but the window is likely to be shorter and if most are vaccinated, transmission will be unlikely.
As indicated, some folks might still be able to transmit it after vaccination, but the window is likely to be shorter and if most are vaccinated, transmission will be unlikely.
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60 to 70% i hear.FSchmertz wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 12:42 am Another reason to get lot of people vaccinated is it's likely to bring transmission down. But it's probably going to take almost everyone getting it.
As indicated, some folks might still be able to transmit it after vaccination, but the window is likely to be shorter and if most are vaccinated, transmission will be unlikely.
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OH NOES!!! We are dying with you guys!
Canada crushed the Covid-19 curve but complacency is fueling a deadly second wave
Canada crushed the Covid-19 curve but complacency is fueling a deadly second wave
https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/08/world/ca ... index.htmlOttawa (CNN)"At least we're not as bad as the States."
Those were the words uttered by so many Canadians during the first wave of coronavirus, perhaps without malice although with a good dose of smugness.
But that complacency may have helped fuel a deadly second wave in Canada that is now straining hospital capacity in nearly every region of the country as health officials impose more restrictions and lockdowns.