That he died of covidBiker wrote: ↑Wed Dec 30, 2020 4:07 pmThats our point.FSchmertz wrote: ↑Wed Dec 30, 2020 4:04 pmhttps://nypost.com/2020/12/30/congressm ... operation/LSU Health Shreveport Chancellor G.E. Ghali confirmed Letlow underwent an operation related to the virus and later went into cardiac arrest.
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And I don't see "our" point.Biker wrote: ↑Wed Dec 30, 2020 4:07 pmThats our point.FSchmertz wrote: ↑Wed Dec 30, 2020 4:04 pmhttps://nypost.com/2020/12/30/congressm ... operation/LSU Health Shreveport Chancellor G.E. Ghali confirmed Letlow underwent an operation related to the virus and later went into cardiac arrest.
He wouldn't have needed the procedure if he didn't get the plague. Failure to acknowledge that means he died as a result of the plague is illogical, and any further attempts to do so should be dismissed by intelligent adults.
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Michigan Governor vetoes bill extending unemployment benefits, refuses to lift lockdowns
The bill would have provided $220 million in funding to the Unemployment Insurance Trust Fund, which would have pooled funds to help businesses provide financial support for laid-off workers.
Democratic Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer vetoed a bill on Tuesday which would have extended unemployment benefits for workers affected by the ongoing coronavirus pandemic, MLive reports.
The bill would have provided $220 million in funding to the Unemployment Insurance Trust Fund, which would have pooled funds to help businesses provide financial support for laid-off workers. The trust fund had $4.6 billion to support workers at the beginning of the pandemic, but has since been depleted to $864 million.
Michigan Republican Party Chairwoman Laura Cox criticized the veto. "First, Governor Whitmer put people out of work with her shutdown orders," Cox said. "Then, through her administration's incompetence, it became almost impossible for out-of-work Michiganders to receive unemployment benefits."
"Now, Whitmer has vetoed extending aid to workers even though her draconian shutdowns continue. Clearly, the 'science' Whitmer is following doesn't include basic economics, and Michigan families are paying the price," Cox finished.
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The Governor said she vetoed the Trust Fund replenishment due to Republicans not negotiating that provision with her office beforehand. She also approved an extension of unemployment benefits from 20 to 26 weeks.
“To be very clear, this will not impact individual workers,” Whitmer said of the Trust Fund veto. “General Fund dollars have got to be used to fund essential services, like vaccines and PPE not to give tax breaks to big businesses right now.”
Senate Bill 748 added $220 million from the state’s general fund into the dangerously low unemployment trust fund – which is where unemployment benefits are paid from. At the start of the pandemic, the trust fund had $4.6 billion, but has dropped to $864 million as of Dec. 21 – meaning more than 80% of the fund has dried up in nine months. Employers typically pay into the unemployment trust fund to cover benefits for laid off workers. Proponents of the veto say the bill would have essentially given large corporations tax cuts by not having to pay into the trust fund.
Read more: Here’s what the state’s $465 million, the feds’ $908 billion COVID aid bills mean for Michiganders
Whitmer justified the move by pointing to the federal stimulus approved by President Donald Trump on Sunday, Dec. 27. The impact to the Unemployment Insurance Trust Fund would be mitigated by the federal stimulus providing all unemployment recipients with an additional $300 a week.
“The continuation of these benefits coupled with the additional $300 per week for all claimants will provide our workers with the emergency financial assistance to buy essential items like groceries and prescription drugs,” according to the release.
https://www.mlive.com/public-interest/2 ... -fund.html
“To be very clear, this will not impact individual workers,” Whitmer said of the Trust Fund veto. “General Fund dollars have got to be used to fund essential services, like vaccines and PPE not to give tax breaks to big businesses right now.”
Senate Bill 748 added $220 million from the state’s general fund into the dangerously low unemployment trust fund – which is where unemployment benefits are paid from. At the start of the pandemic, the trust fund had $4.6 billion, but has dropped to $864 million as of Dec. 21 – meaning more than 80% of the fund has dried up in nine months. Employers typically pay into the unemployment trust fund to cover benefits for laid off workers. Proponents of the veto say the bill would have essentially given large corporations tax cuts by not having to pay into the trust fund.
Read more: Here’s what the state’s $465 million, the feds’ $908 billion COVID aid bills mean for Michiganders
Whitmer justified the move by pointing to the federal stimulus approved by President Donald Trump on Sunday, Dec. 27. The impact to the Unemployment Insurance Trust Fund would be mitigated by the federal stimulus providing all unemployment recipients with an additional $300 a week.
“The continuation of these benefits coupled with the additional $300 per week for all claimants will provide our workers with the emergency financial assistance to buy essential items like groceries and prescription drugs,” according to the release.
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Biker wrote: ↑Wed Dec 30, 2020 4:15 pmMichigan Governor vetoes bill extending unemployment benefits, refuses to lift lockdowns
The bill would have provided $220 million in funding to the Unemployment Insurance Trust Fund, which would have pooled funds to help businesses provide financial support for laid-off workers.
Democratic Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer vetoed a bill on Tuesday which would have extended unemployment benefits for workers affected by the ongoing coronavirus pandemic, MLive reports.
The bill would have provided $220 million in funding to the Unemployment Insurance Trust Fund, which would have pooled funds to help businesses provide financial support for laid-off workers. The trust fund had $4.6 billion to support workers at the beginning of the pandemic, but has since been depleted to $864 million.
Michigan Republican Party Chairwoman Laura Cox criticized the veto. "First, Governor Whitmer put people out of work with her shutdown orders," Cox said. "Then, through her administration's incompetence, it became almost impossible for out-of-work Michiganders to receive unemployment benefits."
"Now, Whitmer has vetoed extending aid to workers even though her draconian shutdowns continue. Clearly, the 'science' Whitmer is following doesn't include basic economics, and Michigan families are paying the price," Cox finished.
Number one..... you know if a biker posted it there is more to the story.
If Republicans were for it then they definitely had some kind.
of shenanigans going on in the bill and that's why she vetoed it.
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Stapes wrote: ↑Wed Dec 30, 2020 4:21 pmBiker wrote: ↑Wed Dec 30, 2020 4:15 pmMichigan Governor vetoes bill extending unemployment benefits, refuses to lift lockdowns
The bill would have provided $220 million in funding to the Unemployment Insurance Trust Fund, which would have pooled funds to help businesses provide financial support for laid-off workers.
Democratic Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer vetoed a bill on Tuesday which would have extended unemployment benefits for workers affected by the ongoing coronavirus pandemic, MLive reports.
The bill would have provided $220 million in funding to the Unemployment Insurance Trust Fund, which would have pooled funds to help businesses provide financial support for laid-off workers. The trust fund had $4.6 billion to support workers at the beginning of the pandemic, but has since been depleted to $864 million.
Michigan Republican Party Chairwoman Laura Cox criticized the veto. "First, Governor Whitmer put people out of work with her shutdown orders," Cox said. "Then, through her administration's incompetence, it became almost impossible for out-of-work Michiganders to receive unemployment benefits."
"Now, Whitmer has vetoed extending aid to workers even though her draconian shutdowns continue. Clearly, the 'science' Whitmer is following doesn't include basic economics, and Michigan families are paying the price," Cox finished.
Number one..... you know if a biker posted it there is more to the story.
If Republicans were for it then they definitely had some kind.
of shenanigans going on in the bill and that's why she vetoed it.
https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/ ... 071250001/"To be very clear, this will not impact individual workers. General fund dollars have got to be used to fund essential services, like vaccines and PPE, not to give tax breaks to big businesses right now," Whitmer said during a news conference earlier Tuesday.
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What part of the additional 220 million into the UITF are you not understanding?FSchmertz wrote: ↑Wed Dec 30, 2020 4:23 pmStapes wrote: ↑Wed Dec 30, 2020 4:21 pmBiker wrote: ↑Wed Dec 30, 2020 4:15 pmMichigan Governor vetoes bill extending unemployment benefits, refuses to lift lockdowns
The bill would have provided $220 million in funding to the Unemployment Insurance Trust Fund, which would have pooled funds to help businesses provide financial support for laid-off workers.
Democratic Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer vetoed a bill on Tuesday which would have extended unemployment benefits for workers affected by the ongoing coronavirus pandemic, MLive reports.
The bill would have provided $220 million in funding to the Unemployment Insurance Trust Fund, which would have pooled funds to help businesses provide financial support for laid-off workers. The trust fund had $4.6 billion to support workers at the beginning of the pandemic, but has since been depleted to $864 million.
Michigan Republican Party Chairwoman Laura Cox criticized the veto. "First, Governor Whitmer put people out of work with her shutdown orders," Cox said. "Then, through her administration's incompetence, it became almost impossible for out-of-work Michiganders to receive unemployment benefits."
"Now, Whitmer has vetoed extending aid to workers even though her draconian shutdowns continue. Clearly, the 'science' Whitmer is following doesn't include basic economics, and Michigan families are paying the price," Cox finished.
Number one..... you know if a biker posted it there is more to the story.
If Republicans were for it then they definitely had some kind.
of shenanigans going on in the bill and that's why she vetoed it.https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/ ... 071250001/"To be very clear, this will not impact individual workers. General fund dollars have got to be used to fund essential services, like vaccines and PPE, not to give tax breaks to big businesses right now," Whitmer said during a news conference earlier Tuesday.
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Youre a fucking sheep.Stapes wrote: ↑Wed Dec 30, 2020 4:21 pmBiker wrote: ↑Wed Dec 30, 2020 4:15 pmMichigan Governor vetoes bill extending unemployment benefits, refuses to lift lockdowns
The bill would have provided $220 million in funding to the Unemployment Insurance Trust Fund, which would have pooled funds to help businesses provide financial support for laid-off workers.
Democratic Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer vetoed a bill on Tuesday which would have extended unemployment benefits for workers affected by the ongoing coronavirus pandemic, MLive reports.
The bill would have provided $220 million in funding to the Unemployment Insurance Trust Fund, which would have pooled funds to help businesses provide financial support for laid-off workers. The trust fund had $4.6 billion to support workers at the beginning of the pandemic, but has since been depleted to $864 million.
Michigan Republican Party Chairwoman Laura Cox criticized the veto. "First, Governor Whitmer put people out of work with her shutdown orders," Cox said. "Then, through her administration's incompetence, it became almost impossible for out-of-work Michiganders to receive unemployment benefits."
"Now, Whitmer has vetoed extending aid to workers even though her draconian shutdowns continue. Clearly, the 'science' Whitmer is following doesn't include basic economics, and Michigan families are paying the price," Cox finished.
Number one..... you know if a biker posted it there is more to the story.
If Republicans were for it then they definitely had some kind.
of shenanigans going on in the bill and that's why she vetoed it.
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You're taking the Rethugs part of this and dismissing the Governor's. They don't like each other. Don't know who's right myself. Apparently you've already decided, as "a democrat," that it's the Rethugs. "Surprising"Biker wrote: ↑Wed Dec 30, 2020 5:25 pmWhat part of the additional 220 million into the UITF are you not understanding?FSchmertz wrote: ↑Wed Dec 30, 2020 4:23 pmStapes wrote: ↑Wed Dec 30, 2020 4:21 pmBiker wrote: ↑Wed Dec 30, 2020 4:15 pmMichigan Governor vetoes bill extending unemployment benefits, refuses to lift lockdowns
The bill would have provided $220 million in funding to the Unemployment Insurance Trust Fund, which would have pooled funds to help businesses provide financial support for laid-off workers.
Democratic Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer vetoed a bill on Tuesday which would have extended unemployment benefits for workers affected by the ongoing coronavirus pandemic, MLive reports.
The bill would have provided $220 million in funding to the Unemployment Insurance Trust Fund, which would have pooled funds to help businesses provide financial support for laid-off workers. The trust fund had $4.6 billion to support workers at the beginning of the pandemic, but has since been depleted to $864 million.
Michigan Republican Party Chairwoman Laura Cox criticized the veto. "First, Governor Whitmer put people out of work with her shutdown orders," Cox said. "Then, through her administration's incompetence, it became almost impossible for out-of-work Michiganders to receive unemployment benefits."
"Now, Whitmer has vetoed extending aid to workers even though her draconian shutdowns continue. Clearly, the 'science' Whitmer is following doesn't include basic economics, and Michigan families are paying the price," Cox finished.
Number one..... you know if a biker posted it there is more to the story.
If Republicans were for it then they definitely had some kind.
of shenanigans going on in the bill and that's why she vetoed it.https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/ ... 071250001/"To be very clear, this will not impact individual workers. General fund dollars have got to be used to fund essential services, like vaccines and PPE, not to give tax breaks to big businesses right now," Whitmer said during a news conference earlier Tuesday.
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So you dont tie small businesses with individual workers? Who do you think works in those businesses?FSchmertz wrote: ↑Wed Dec 30, 2020 5:27 pmYou're taking the Rethugs part of this and dismissing the Governor's. They don't like each other. Don't know who's right myself. Apparently you've already decided, as "a democrat," that it's the Rethugs. "Surprising"Biker wrote: ↑Wed Dec 30, 2020 5:25 pmWhat part of the additional 220 million into the UITF are you not understanding?FSchmertz wrote: ↑Wed Dec 30, 2020 4:23 pmStapes wrote: ↑Wed Dec 30, 2020 4:21 pmBiker wrote: ↑Wed Dec 30, 2020 4:15 pmMichigan Governor vetoes bill extending unemployment benefits, refuses to lift lockdowns
The bill would have provided $220 million in funding to the Unemployment Insurance Trust Fund, which would have pooled funds to help businesses provide financial support for laid-off workers.
Democratic Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer vetoed a bill on Tuesday which would have extended unemployment benefits for workers affected by the ongoing coronavirus pandemic, MLive reports.
The bill would have provided $220 million in funding to the Unemployment Insurance Trust Fund, which would have pooled funds to help businesses provide financial support for laid-off workers. The trust fund had $4.6 billion to support workers at the beginning of the pandemic, but has since been depleted to $864 million.
Michigan Republican Party Chairwoman Laura Cox criticized the veto. "First, Governor Whitmer put people out of work with her shutdown orders," Cox said. "Then, through her administration's incompetence, it became almost impossible for out-of-work Michiganders to receive unemployment benefits."
"Now, Whitmer has vetoed extending aid to workers even though her draconian shutdowns continue. Clearly, the 'science' Whitmer is following doesn't include basic economics, and Michigan families are paying the price," Cox finished.
Number one..... you know if a biker posted it there is more to the story.
If Republicans were for it then they definitely had some kind.
of shenanigans going on in the bill and that's why she vetoed it.https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/ ... 071250001/"To be very clear, this will not impact individual workers. General fund dollars have got to be used to fund essential services, like vaccines and PPE, not to give tax breaks to big businesses right now," Whitmer said during a news conference earlier Tuesday.
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Biker wrote: ↑Wed Dec 30, 2020 5:32 pmSo you dont tie small businesses with individual workers? Who do you think works in those businesses?FSchmertz wrote: ↑Wed Dec 30, 2020 5:27 pmYou're taking the Rethugs part of this and dismissing the Governor's. They don't like each other. Don't know who's right myself. Apparently you've already decided, as "a democrat," that it's the Rethugs. "Surprising"Biker wrote: ↑Wed Dec 30, 2020 5:25 pmWhat part of the additional 220 million into the UITF are you not understanding?FSchmertz wrote: ↑Wed Dec 30, 2020 4:23 pmhttps://www.freep.com/story/news/local/ ... 071250001/"To be very clear, this will not impact individual workers. General fund dollars have got to be used to fund essential services, like vaccines and PPE, not to give tax breaks to big businesses right now," Whitmer said during a news conference earlier Tuesday.
What difference does is make, if that's true?this will not impact individual workers
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I dunno, if the fund runs out of money? Its down to 800 million when at the start of the pandemic it was at 4.5 billion. You really think adding another 220 million is a bad idea just because someone with a D beside her name said so? Thats not really being 'above the fray', is it?FSchmertz wrote: ↑Wed Dec 30, 2020 5:34 pmBiker wrote: ↑Wed Dec 30, 2020 5:32 pmSo you dont tie small businesses with individual workers? Who do you think works in those businesses?FSchmertz wrote: ↑Wed Dec 30, 2020 5:27 pmYou're taking the Rethugs part of this and dismissing the Governor's. They don't like each other. Don't know who's right myself. Apparently you've already decided, as "a democrat," that it's the Rethugs. "Surprising"Biker wrote: ↑Wed Dec 30, 2020 5:25 pmWhat part of the additional 220 million into the UITF are you not understanding?FSchmertz wrote: ↑Wed Dec 30, 2020 4:23 pmhttps://www.freep.com/story/news/local/ ... 071250001/"To be very clear, this will not impact individual workers. General fund dollars have got to be used to fund essential services, like vaccines and PPE, not to give tax breaks to big businesses right now," Whitmer said during a news conference earlier Tuesday.What difference does is make, if that's true?this will not impact individual workers
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She thinks it's only to bail out businesses, doesn't think it's necessary, so she doesn't want it. Is she right? No idea. Are the Rethugs right to ask for it? No idea. Don't live there, so it's really not my business anyhow.Biker wrote: ↑Wed Dec 30, 2020 5:36 pmI dunno, if the fund runs out of money? Its down to 800 million when at the start of the pandemic it was at 4.5 billion. You really think adding another 220 million is a bad idea just because someone with a D beside her name said so? Thats not really being 'above the fray', is it?FSchmertz wrote: ↑Wed Dec 30, 2020 5:34 pmBiker wrote: ↑Wed Dec 30, 2020 5:32 pmSo you dont tie small businesses with individual workers? Who do you think works in those businesses?FSchmertz wrote: ↑Wed Dec 30, 2020 5:27 pmYou're taking the Rethugs part of this and dismissing the Governor's. They don't like each other. Don't know who's right myself. Apparently you've already decided, as "a democrat," that it's the Rethugs. "Surprising"What difference does is make, if that's true?this will not impact individual workers
If it "runs out of money," what keeps them from putting more money in later?
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If there are no businesses there is no need for "individual workers". They go hand-in-hand.
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Isn't that one of the reasons for the Fed $903 billion, to give more money to businesses?
There's a legitimate debate over COVID restrictions and economic damage. Difficult balancing act, weighing immediate risk to life against probable long term effects on lives of possible economic devastation. Won't pretend there's one right answer (or answers).
P.S. And yeah, the bill is gonna come due eventually for all of this Fed credit card gifting.
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Whitmer removed a $220 million section of a bill slated to go toward unemployment. She argued there were already funds allocated through a different bill that she signed Monday to extend unemployment through March.
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if you opened up businesses and let them get to work and hire people back you wouldn't be having to print up money to bail them out. this is such a stupid debate. only a fucking democrat could shut down business and then ask taxpayers to bail them out.FSchmertz wrote: ↑Wed Dec 30, 2020 5:49 pmIsn't that one of the reasons for the Fed $903 billion, to give more money to businesses?
There's a legitimate debate over COVID restrictions and economic damage. Difficult balancing act, weighing immediate risk to life against probable long term effects on lives of possible economic devastation. Won't pretend there's one right answer (or answers).
P.S. And yeah, the bill is gonna come due eventually for all of this Fed credit card gifting.
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Lee County in florida is having a first come first serve for over 65 year olds....no appointments......for 300 doses..... Lol. Fucking old people doing a mad scramble.... Sleeping on lawn chairs overnight.... Lol. Christ on a cross
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Not sure why, Dawn Wells was over 80 and didn't die from it
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what place in the line did you get?
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Oh snap... What a witty burn.... I don't know where you Texans come up with this stuff.... golly
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Biker wrote: ↑Wed Dec 30, 2020 3:31 pmSounds like another case of died with COVID, not from itBigRedRetard wrote: ↑Wed Dec 30, 2020 3:26 pmI believe the hospital over his spokesman. He died during surgery you dupe.
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Died of a heart attack while being intubated because he couldn't breathe on his own. Pretty hard to blame that on covid amirite?
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