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i skimmed through it (long ass read), but I can't find any chemical analysis of any of these "radioactive" particles that are in the water. They talked about a process they tried using reverse osmosis to remove the particles from the water, and it worked, but they dumped the solids back into the pool and just increased the concentration. then it rained and diluted it right back to where it was before. so that's a pretty stupid solution.
The solution seems to me to be a chemical stabilization process of some kind. but without them talking about the chemistry of what is actually in the water, who knows what that might be. i can't imagine the only solution is to just dump it into the ocean and dilute the shit out of it and cross your fingers. But I would also assume that the much smarter than us people have already determined there is no way to chemically stabilize it.
i have never heard of manufacturing fertilizer to result in radioactive byproducts.
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Animal wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 4:11 pmi skimmed through it (long ass read), but I can't find any chemical analysis of any of these "radioactive" particles that are in the water. They talked about a process they tried using reverse osmosis to remove the particles from the water, and it worked, but they dumped the solids back into the pool and just increased the concentration. then it rained and diluted it right back to where it was before. so that's a pretty stupid solution.
The solution seems to me to be a chemical stabilization process of some kind. but without them talking about the chemistry of what is actually in the water, who knows what that might be. i can't imagine the only solution is to just dump it into the ocean and dilute the shit out of it and cross your fingers. But I would also assume that the much smarter than us people have already determined there is no way to chemically stabilize it.
i have never heard of manufacturing fertilizer to result in radioactive byproducts.
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so, that's kind of what i was thinking. Its uranium and radium that naturally occur in the raw materials. But nuclear power plants use Uranium and some of that uranium ends up in the cooling water that cools the fuel rods. And they have ways to filter that radiation from the water. Why won't those methods work the same on this water?
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Plus it’s so close to Tahoe. I’d move there in a heartbeat if I could get the same kind of work there as I get here.
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Check if there is a Montgomery Ward retail location there.Charliesheen wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 5:58 pm Plus it’s so close to Tahoe. I’d move there in a heartbeat if I could get the same kind of work there as I get here.
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You get more radiation from a banana than you do from an X-ray. Lots of elements are radioactive.
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Is it true that bananas are radioactive?
That is absolutely true. But the same can be said for spinach, potatoes, oranges, brazil nuts, kitty litter, granite counter tops, the very air you breathe and even your own body! Radioactivity is all around us and is unavoidable.
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It may be true that there is trace radioactivity in a banana, but not more than what you would get from an x ray.FSchmertz wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 11:27 pmhttps://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/you-a ... adioactive
Is it true that bananas are radioactive?
That is absolutely true. But the same can be said for spinach, potatoes, oranges, brazil nuts, kitty litter, granite counter tops, the very air you breathe and even your own body! Radioactivity is all around us and is unavoidable.
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If I lived in yer holler I’m sure I could afford a nice cabin on a furniture department head’s salary.CaptQuint wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 6:01 pmCheck if there is a Montgomery Ward retail location there.Charliesheen wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 5:58 pm Plus it’s so close to Tahoe. I’d move there in a heartbeat if I could get the same kind of work there as I get here.
But my town’s median resale price was 1.3 last year. It’s even higher now.
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It can, but itll be expensive. Like really expensive.Animal wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 4:35 pmso, that's kind of what i was thinking. Its uranium and radium that naturally occur in the raw materials. But nuclear power plants use Uranium and some of that uranium ends up in the cooling water that cools the fuel rods. And they have ways to filter that radiation from the water. Why won't those methods work the same on this water?
Radioactive water is treated with carbon and reverse osmosis. When dealing with water with low total dissolved solids, like the water cooling nuclear fuel rods, its not an issue. You filter the water, dispose of the water by pumping it deep underground or dissolve in a larger body, like the ocean. The now loaded filter material being osmosis membrane or carbon get tagged as nuclear waste, canned and stored.
The issue with these gypsum ponds is the total dissolved solids are enormous and filtration isn't practical. Dissolve plaster in water and pass it through a Brita pitcher, it wont make it long at all. You would have to centrifuge the solids from the water, and removing fine particles from the water would require very specialized centrifuges with massive air containment and filtering, just an absolute nightmare and not the least bit portable. Who wants radioactive water trucked through your town or floated up on shore in a boat? Then everything it touches is now contaminated. How about a 100 million dollar centrifuge that is only used once, is now contaminated its self, and too expensive to dismantle and store as it is contaminated?
It can be done but a logistical nightmare that only billions can solve.
Realistically the best option is identify an area nearby that can be drilled to depths far below the water table, pump this shit into it and hope it doesn't migrate. There has already been sinkholes formed under similar ponds and it collapses in and massively contaminates the water table. Get it deeper and cross your fingers, or cross your fingers and hope the sinkhole capital of the states doesn't swallow it.
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so reading through all of that it sounds to me that the concentration level is the problem. its too diluted. So the solution to that is to evaporate off the water and get a higher and higher concentration of the radioactive waste, right? Assuming you could keep the rain out of it and it just naturally sat there and evaporated, it would take a while, but it would happen. Once you get it down to where the concentration levels are high enough, then you use the reverse osmosis process?
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Charliesheen wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 5:55 pmIf I lived in yer holler I’m sure I could afford a nice cabin on a furniture department head’s salary.CaptQuint wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 6:01 pmCheck if there is a Montgomery Ward retail location there.Charliesheen wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 5:58 pm Plus it’s so close to Tahoe. I’d move there in a heartbeat if I could get the same kind of work there as I get here.
But my town’s median resale price was 1.3 last year. It’s even higher now.
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You want to concentrate it but evaporation is a danger, not the solution. You dont want this stuff getting airborne. The salt water pool is used to replenish the pools housing the really bad shit as far as I understand. The issue all the other solids in the water, primarily gypsum, will clog every viable method of filtration to the point its not practical.Animal wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 7:55 pmso reading through all of that it sounds to me that the concentration level is the problem. its too diluted. So the solution to that is to evaporate off the water and get a higher and higher concentration of the radioactive waste, right? Assuming you could keep the rain out of it and it just naturally sat there and evaporated, it would take a while, but it would happen. Once you get it down to where the concentration levels are high enough, then you use the reverse osmosis process?
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evaporation can't be much of a danger. if this shit has been sitting out in the open in Florida for over 20 years. i know water from a swimming pool will evaporate about 1 inch per day in the summer. so, imagine based on the sf of surface area of that pond how much water has evaporated over those 20+ years.woohooguy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 8:12 pmYou want to concentrate it but evaporation is a danger, not the solution. You dont want this stuff getting airborne. The salt water pool is used to replenish the pools housing the really bad shit as far as I understand. The issue all the other solids in the water, primarily gypsum, will clog every viable method of filtration to the point its not practical.Animal wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 7:55 pmso reading through all of that it sounds to me that the concentration level is the problem. its too diluted. So the solution to that is to evaporate off the water and get a higher and higher concentration of the radioactive waste, right? Assuming you could keep the rain out of it and it just naturally sat there and evaporated, it would take a while, but it would happen. Once you get it down to where the concentration levels are high enough, then you use the reverse osmosis process?