Trump has concealed details of his face-to-face encounters with Putin from senior officials in administration

[PimpDaddy]

In general, do you think Joe Public should have access to every meeting a President has? If you say yes, you are an ignorant cunt. Nothing to do with Trump.

[CaptQuint]

In general, do you think Joe Public should have access to every meeting a President has? If you say yes, you are an ignorant cunt. Nothing to do with Trump.

Nobody is saying Joe Public, Trump is hiding this from his own people. That is suspicious to say the least.

[AnalHamster]

In general, do you think Joe Public should have access to every meeting a President has? If you say yes, you are an ignorant cunt. Nothing to do with Trump.

Eventually, yes. See the edit. You're confusing no public record with no record of any kind. Sensitive meetings get classified, for finite amounts of time, they don't get hidden from your own government.

[stymiegreen]

In general, do you think Joe Public should have access to every meeting a President has? If you say yes, you are an ignorant cunt. Nothing to do with Trump.

You are a monumetally cuckoldy TrumpCuck. If you trust every politician by default cause hey....they say so then you are just a dumb motherfucker period. But we know your trust only goes one way so that makes you a disingenuous douchebag on top of that. Congrats?

[AnalHamster]

Russia's actual involvement in the US election is a great topic, but not what this conversation is about. Focus kiddo.

WASHINGTON — In the days after President Trump fired James B. Comey as F.B.I. director, law enforcement officials became so concerned by the president’s behavior that they began investigating whether he had been working on behalf of Russia against American interests, according to former law enforcement officials and others familiar with the investigation.
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They became so concerned...

...so concerned...

Remember when I asked:

Have they been investigating a crime, or are they in search of one?

Hate to break it to you, but "so concerned" is not evidence of a crime. It is evidence of them in search of a crime.

This sets a dangerous precedent.

You asked what investigation he was obstructing you blibbering idiot. The fucking russia investigation you keep pretending doesn't/didn't exist. You're delusional. Even lyin' trump was capable of recognising the investigation actually existed, that's why he fired comey over it.

[stymiegreen]

Russia's actual involvement in the US election is a great topic, but not what this conversation is about. Focus kiddo.

WASHINGTON — In the days after President Trump fired James B. Comey as F.B.I. director, law enforcement officials became so concerned by the president’s behavior that they began investigating whether he had been working on behalf of Russia against American interests, according to former law enforcement officials and others familiar with the investigation.
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They became so concerned...

...so concerned...

Remember when I asked:

Have they been investigating a crime, or are they in search of one?

Hate to break it to you, but "so concerned" is not evidence of a crime. It is evidence of them in search of a crime.

This sets a dangerous precedent.

You keep repeating your nonsense and ignoring the responses. You're phony and yeah...you're definitely a reposter. No one is fooled and no one is impressed. This movie has been played a few hundred times now.

[stymiegreen]

My point has, and remains simple: Are they investigating a crime, or in search of one.

The former is good, the latter is bad. "So concerned" != Evidence of a crime... No matter how much you try to skew reality.

I'm not sure who told you these two things are mutually exclusive, but they're not. They have been investigating what ties Trump or his inner circle may have had with Russians and their operatives who indisputably attempted to influence our elections. And in the process they keep finding that Trump and his minions have lied about their contacts pretty much every step of the way. These lies have lead to numerous indictments already and they are trying to determine whether any of Trump's actions were criminal as well. So they are both investigating crimes and searching for additional ones that may have involved Trump and any more of his people. Yes, that point is very simple.

[PimpDaddy]

Russia's actual involvement in the US election is a great topic, but not what this conversation is about. Focus kiddo.

WASHINGTON — In the days after President Trump fired James B. Comey as F.B.I. director, law enforcement officials became so concerned by the president’s behavior that they began investigating whether he had been working on behalf of Russia against American interests, according to former law enforcement officials and others familiar with the investigation.
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They became so concerned...

...so concerned...

Remember when I asked:

Have they been investigating a crime, or are they in search of one?

Hate to break it to you, but "so concerned" is not evidence of a crime. It is evidence of them in search of a crime.

This sets a dangerous precedent.

You asked what investigation he was obstructing you blibbering idiot. The fucking russia investigation you keep pretending doesn't/didn't exist. You're delusional. Even lyin' trump was capable of recognising the investigation actually existed, that's why he fired comey over it.

AH is threatened by Cassandros posts. True story. Funny to watch him go full FSF on us

[Charliesheen]

Clearly he is. Notice how and what he attacks. He gave up on the duped thing and went with questioning his identity. And of course the usual nitpicking. And my favorite, "if im ever wrong I'll admit it."

[PimpDaddy]

You know AH has gone full Styime when he has to point out typos to feel superior in an argument he already lost.

[stymiegreen]

You know AH has gone full Styime when he has to point out typos to feel superior in an argument he already lost.

Pulling the vaunted double nipper in this thread. I sure missed thread-commentary guy...he always makes great points! Lulz.

[PimpDaddy]

You know AH has gone full Styime when he has to point out typos to feel superior in an argument he already lost.

Pulling the vaunted double nipper in this thread. I sure missed thread-commentary guy...he always makes great points! Lulz.

Triple nipper...commenting on the commentary guy. Great point! You can't help being such an idiot.

[AnalHamster]

You know AH has gone full Styime when he has to point out typos to feel superior in an argument he already lost.

What typos am I supposed to have pointed out?

[AnalHamster]

Russia's actual involvement in the US election is a great topic, but not what this conversation is about. Focus kiddo.

WASHINGTON — In the days after President Trump fired James B. Comey as F.B.I. director, law enforcement officials became so concerned by the president’s behavior that they began investigating whether he had been working on behalf of Russia against American interests, according to former law enforcement officials and others familiar with the investigation.
Source

They became so concerned...

...so concerned...

Remember when I asked:

Have they been investigating a crime, or are they in search of one?

Hate to break it to you, but "so concerned" is not evidence of a crime. It is evidence of them in search of a crime.

This sets a dangerous precedent.

You asked what investigation he was obstructing you blibbering idiot. The fucking russia investigation you keep pretending doesn't/didn't exist. You're delusional. Even lyin' trump was capable of recognising the investigation actually existed, that's why he fired comey over it.

I asked... what now? I have less than 30 post, feel free to point me to when I asked that question.

You like to twist people words, and then throw insults. Bad form from a poor actor. But then, I don't usually read your post for this very reason; I am only doing so now because, unlike you- I try to have actual civil discourse.

My point has, and remains simple: Are they investigating a crime, or in search of one.

The former is good, the latter is bad. "So concerned" != Evidence of a crime... No matter how much you try to skew reality.

You have been arguing throughout that the investigation is wrong because it went in search of a crime rather than investigating an alleged crime, you just can't seem to grasp that the russia investigation, into russian interference, was in full swing when trump attempted to obstruct it, triggering the counterintelligence investigation into trump himself. Investigations do not ignore additional crimes they come across.

[stymiegreen]

You know AH has gone full Styime when he has to point out typos to feel superior in an argument he already lost.

Pulling the vaunted double nipper in this thread. I sure missed thread-commentary guy...he always makes great points! Lulz.

Triple nipper...commenting on the commentary guy. Great point! You can't help being such an idiot.

You're really good at this.

[necronomous]

You are continuing to confuse investigation and indictment/search warrants. The fourth amendment means a judge has to approve a search warrant, it doesn't mean the police can't ask for one or look into whether one is in fact required. If I told the FBI you were in contact with the russkies, or told the po-po you were dealing crack, you'd be investigated if my tip were credible. There is absolutely zero constitutional protection against being investigated. The protections kick in when there is a search of protected property, or when you there is evidence for an indictment. You are presumed innocent whilst being investigated, but if you think about it for the tiniest fraction of a moment it's kinda obvious that if the presumption of innocence prevented investigations occurring in the first place then no one anywhere ever could be found guilty of anything, isn't it?

I presume you posted before under a different name since you know what side of the pond I'm on, unless it's just my perfect diction giving it away. Who were you?

That part underlined, focus on it. Does an assessment by the US office of the Director of National Intelligence making a claim that Russia favored Trump, and that Putin personally ordered a campaign to affect the US election a credible tip against the POTUS himself?

I am skeptical. Seems like the investigation should have been squarely on how Russia (bots) affected the campaign- and if during that process other connections are found- follow them, even if they lead to the top. But, that isn't really what happened, is it? The investigation was targeted at the POTUS directly and those around him at the start. Now Trump helped justify this greatly by firing people and tweeting idiocy, but the fact remains, they aren't following a rabbit trail and its leading to this and that --> they are investigating the people themselves and seeing what they can find, if anything. And that is a dangerous precedent.

Once upon a time you needed a warrant before you could go through personal belongings; the drug war helped create the FISA court to retroactively approve such events under the pretense of 'National Security', and thanks to the asinine war on terror the po-po can arrest your stuff (civil forfeiture) and can get a blanket warrant that doesn't even need to really specify what they are seeking or where. There should be no reason to ever investigate someone because of an open ended claim like 'we think someone did something to help this other person'.

My true fear is, when the dust settles Trump himself will be deemed innocent- and he will use this precedent against others. As will other agencies throughout the government.

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And to answer your question: Yes, I have passively lurked and occasionally posted on this board for years, back before that crash that made everyone join date 1969 in fact. Though I can probably count on two hands the number of post I have made since I started coming to UJ.

Trump was not the initial focus of the investigation into Flynn or Manafort or the now entirely proven tip which has resulted in multiple convictions and indictments that Russia really did conduct an influence campaign to get trump elected. Trump brought himself in by blatantly obstructing those investigations. The investigation was simply not focused at Trump at the start, and it was focused on those around him in terms of Manafort before he was even around him. Flynn was picked up on routine surveillance of legitimate Russkie targets who are spied on year round. You have been deceived by Trump team propaganda.

Who is running the bots and why is the relevant question. The connections found are exactly what has been investigated, you've just been duped by propaganda aimed pretty openly at undermining that investigation. You have always and continue to need a warrant to go through personal belongings, you yet again make the same mistake there. Civil forfeiture is a separate issue that has simply not come up in the trump investigation. If you wanted to argue civil forfeiture violates fourth amendment rights, sure, I agree with you, but that is wholly irrelevant to the Mueller investigation because it simply has not come up.

I expect we'll find out who you are eventually. I'm guessing necro.

I have no other accounts. I dont bother doing that shit.

[VinceBordenIII]

Well, they had balls, anyway. And they really believed.

[beagleboy]

Meh, the Guardian is still sticking with their story that Manafort met secretly with Assange in the embassy to coordinate the email leaks. No proof presented and every other major news outlet has pointed out that there would be tons of evidence. The police are on site 24x7 and cameras are all over the place, you are required to sign in and out of the embassy which was shown to not have happened but the Guardian is sticking with it. Probably not an accident, the journalists who wrote the article also wrote books outlining how Trump colluded with the Russians.

[CHEEZY17]

There is still big money in being an anti-trumper. Hell, maybe even more so now. Now that the lefties heart has been broken they will be looking for comforting solace in their media bubbles. They will be looking and clicking for any confirmation they can find that rubber stamps their burning hatred. The reality is that this doesn't really change anything. The books will still be coming, the late night hacks and liberal media will still be 100% devoted to taking him down. There is simply too much money and emotional capital invested in their hatred to change course now. It's a win for trump and a blow to the media but they're both temporary. The media, literally, doesn't give a shit.

[Stapes]

President Trump has gone to extraordinary lengths to conceal details of his conversations with Russian President Vladi­mir Putin, including on at least one occasion taking possession of the notes of his own interpreter and instructing the linguist not to discuss what had transpired with other administration officials, current and former U.S. officials sai



This rat bastard doesn't have long. They are starting to leak all the dirty laundry so when its time for him to go nobody will put up a fight.

Awkward!!

[beagleboy]

The media, literally, doesn't give a shit.

Assange still has charges and Manning is still in isolation 23 hours per day (which is considered torture by the UN) for refusing to give information. Most journalists and Americans don't seem to give a fuck at all.