Biden's Afghan failure

[CaptQuint]

I think the captain was pointing out the hypocrisy with all the anti Biden bulshit when Trump was just as guilty and he would have fucked this whole thing up also. His administration was incapable of carrying out even the smallest of things. Still I'm a little disgusted and demoralized by fucking Biden now.

Everyone acting like this is the biggest political/administrative failure of their lifetime must have been asleep from 2003 to 2011 or just completely forgotten about Iraq. Both wars were fucked up from start to finish, under multiple administrations. It's time to leave, and while we're leaving we are are at our most vulnerable and ISIS just exploited that. This is a failure, let it please be the last one.

Its a shit show that is a direct result of incompetency. Yes, Trump signed the agreement with conditions. You conveniently leave out that Biden pretty much changed everything except the central idea of pulling out. He had months to figure this out and you gloss over the fact that its not about us pulling out its HOW Shit Show Joe handled the withdrawal. How do you not make sure all the Americans are out? How do you not make sure all of our equipment is out? That is a fundamental, day one job that the administration simply failed at. He gave the Taliban the names and addresses of Americans and our helpers that are over there for christs sake. First he told them to get to the airport at their own risk then he told them not to come at all, then he said dont call them stranded as they remained stranded. Then he tasked the Taliban with providing security at the airport! You can say other administration had issues and that would be correct but those administrations are gone and we are dealing with this administration and one failed decision after another. This administration has failed miserably and you are too much of a coward to acknowledge it like the entire world has. Like I said before some things should transcend our politics. This is one of them as it is a black eye and a heavy heart for every single American (except you apparently).

This is a failure, let it please be the last one.

You stop reading at the end there bro?

[CHEEZY17]

I think the captain was pointing out the hypocrisy with all the anti Biden bulshit when Trump was just as guilty and he would have fucked this whole thing up also. His administration was incapable of carrying out even the smallest of things. Still I'm a little disgusted and demoralized by fucking Biden now.

Everyone acting like this is the biggest political/administrative failure of their lifetime must have been asleep from 2003 to 2011 or just completely forgotten about Iraq. Both wars were fucked up from start to finish, under multiple administrations. It's time to leave, and while we're leaving we are are at our most vulnerable and ISIS just exploited that. This is a failure, let it please be the last one.

Its a shit show that is a direct result of incompetency. Yes, Trump signed the agreement with conditions. You conveniently leave out that Biden pretty much changed everything except the central idea of pulling out. He had months to figure this out and you gloss over the fact that its not about us pulling out its HOW Shit Show Joe handled the withdrawal. How do you not make sure all the Americans are out? How do you not make sure all of our equipment is out? That is a fundamental, day one job that the administration simply failed at. He gave the Taliban the names and addresses of Americans and our helpers that are over there for christs sake. First he told them to get to the airport at their own risk then he told them not to come at all, then he said dont call them stranded as they remained stranded. Then he tasked the Taliban with providing security at the airport! You can say other administration had issues and that would be correct but those administrations are gone and we are dealing with this administration and one failed decision after another. This administration has failed miserably and you are too much of a coward to acknowledge it like the entire world has. Like I said before some things should transcend our politics. This is one of them as it is a black eye and a heavy heart for every single American (except you apparently).

This is a failure, let it please be the last one.

You stop reading at the end there bro?

Thank you for finally acknowledging it.

[Animal]

What we should have done on day three was send in A-10 Warthogs and blown everything the the fuck up.

I don't know how many times I have said this over the past few days. Is it not too late to still do this? Even drones could accomplish this.

[Biker]

I think the captain was pointing out the hypocrisy with all the anti Biden bulshit when Trump was just as guilty and he would have fucked this whole thing up also. His administration was incapable of carrying out even the smallest of things. Still I'm a little disgusted and demoralized by fucking Biden now.

I think we can agree with a lot of that. But when Cunt essentially mocks 12 dead servicemembers with with his flippant "tissue" remark, I'm pretty sure you can agree the backlash is not only warranted, but any opinions he has on any similar subject in the future is null and void.

100%

[necronomous]

I think the captain was pointing out the hypocrisy with all the anti Biden bulshit when Trump was just as guilty and he would have fucked this whole thing up also. His administration was incapable of carrying out even the smallest of things. Still I'm a little disgusted and demoralized by fucking Biden now.

Lol

[Charliesheen]

KABUL—Now that Allah has seen fit to bless the Taliban with bountiful weapons and equipment from the U.S. Military, terrorists around Afghanistan have built an already thriving chain of U.S. Army Surplus stores.

"We need weapons to kill and subjugate the Afghan people under Sharia Law, but there's just too much gear here!" said local Taliban leader Bob Muhammed. "There's, like, billions of dollars and 20 years worth of weaponry around here, and now I can build a thriving business out of selling my wares to other terrorist folk who happen to pass through! Allah be praised!"

Although the merchandise will not be available to the general public (for obvious reasons), Muhammed's Army Surplus will feature a full selection of deadly weaponry, ammunition, combat boots, MREs, helmets, hashish, and whatever else a soldier of Allah may need.

If successful, Bob Muhammed hopes to open more stores in Iraq and Syria.

The U.S. Government has taken note as new store locations open up for future drone pilot target practice.

[CHEEZY17]

It's only a slight exaggeration.
That weaponry and equipment will be on the black market soon if it isn't already. In effect our tax dollars will be indirectly funding Taliban activities. The shockwaves from this clusterfuck are going to be felt for years.

[Charliesheen]

Let alone when the communists get a hold of a Blackhawk.

[CHEEZY17]

Let alone when the communists get a hold of a Blackhawk.

I'd imagine China and Russia both wouldn't mind getting ahold of some of that stuff.

[pork]

i am confused. did we actually leave this stuff behind? id there an inventory of what is still there? i am guessing we didnt abandon a bunch of blackhawks

[CentralTexasCrude]

i am confused. did we actually leave this stuff behind? id there an inventory of what is still there? i am guessing we didnt abandon a bunch of blackhawks

Yeah, I'm calling BS on that too. Maybe a few aged Hummers in outlining areas but nothing major like Blackhawks or anything really important like Stingers or whatever.

[Reservoir Dog]

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[CHEEZY17]

i am confused. did we actually leave this stuff behind? id there an inventory of what is still there? i am guessing we didnt abandon a bunch of blackhawks

"Another official said that while there are no definitive numbers yet, the current intelligence assessment was that the Taliban are believed to control more than 2,000 armored vehicles, including U.S. Humvees, and up to 40 aircraft potentially including UH-60 Black Hawks, scout attack helicopters, and ScanEagle military drones."
https://www.reuters.com/business/aerosp ... 021-08-19/

The reports are all over the place. Ive read as many as 75,000 vehicles left behind along with weapons etc.
While we may not now, or ever, know how much the administration left behind the fact remains and is unquestionable, that they left behind a lot.

Taliban takes over U.S. war chest given to Afghan military
https://www.axios.com/taliban-war-chest ... 5f46f.html

[CentralTexasCrude]

i am confused. did we actually leave this stuff behind? id there an inventory of what is still there? i am guessing we didnt abandon a bunch of blackhawks

"Another official said that while there are no definitive numbers yet, the current intelligence assessment was that the Taliban are believed to control more than 2,000 armored vehicles, including U.S. Humvees, and up to 40 aircraft potentially including UH-60 Black Hawks, scout attack helicopters, and ScanEagle military drones."
https://www.reuters.com/business/aerosp ... 021-08-19/

The reports are all over the place. Ive read as many as 75,000 vehicles left behind along with weapons etc.
While we may not now, or ever, know how much the administration left behind the fact remains and is unquestionable, that they left behind a lot.

Taliban takes over U.S. war chest given to Afghan military
https://www.axios.com/taliban-war-chest ... 5f46f.html

Now see that's different. According to the reuters article, these military equipment they are sighting are the ones we "sold" to the Afghan govt over the years. It has nothing to do with our military "leaving" or "forgetting" to withdraw equipment that fell into the Taliban hands. We are all aware by now our President (50 year career politician) is a dementia carrot with no experience in military or foreign policy. But, our military is, if anything, very efficient in military withdrawals at the whims of politicians. We have no need to embellish our opinions with made up half-truths. That's what the liberals do.

[pork]

if i recall the rules of engagement allow you to shoot at the equipment of your opponent. just a guess but if it rolls or flies we know the coordinates of every vehicle left behind. lets hope what ever was left behind was strategic and we send them a get well soon missile to each location.

[CentralTexasCrude]

if i recall the rules of engagement allow you to shoot at the equipment of your opponent. just a guess but if it rolls or flies we know the coordinates of every vehicle left behind. lets hope what ever was left behind was strategic and we send them a get well soon missile to each location.

Exactly. If you think we let the Afghan army have any state of the art anything, you are nuts. Night vision equipment that can be bought anywhere on the black market, aged hummers, guns ammo. Any Drones, advanced aircraft, etc have already been plotted and awaiting orders for the missile up the ass trick.

[CentralTexasCrude]

Hell, have you watched the Taliban try to drive one of our Hummers? It's like watching an Asian woman trying to drive in rush hour traffic. You really think they could handle a chopper.

[pork]

pretty sure that problem will fix itself...sort of like this:

[Antknot]

I’m willing to bet that The technology in the aircraft left behind is not the current revision. I’m also willing to bet that Chin, Russia, Israel, Germany,England, France and most any other country have already got the plans for the latest stuff.

[CaptQuint]

I’m willing to bet that The technology in the aircraft left behind is not the current revision. I’m also willing to bet that Chin, Russia, Israel, Germany,England, France and most any other country have already got the plans for the latest stuff.

The Chicoms had The Blackhawk since the 80's. They have their own version in service since 2013 and Pakistan allowed The Chinese Military to inspect the one that was abandoned in the Bin Laden raid.

[pork]

i thought they blew up the one that got abandoned

[CaptQuint]

i thought they blew up the one that got abandoned

Chinese military engineers likely got to examine the wreckage of the U.S. stealth helicopter that crashed during the raid on Osama bin Laden's compound in Pakistan, according to news reports.

"We have reason to suspect China was given access, but we cannot confirm it definitively. We have strong suspicions," a U.S. official told CNN.

Pakistani intelligence operatives likely gave the Chinese access to the wreckage, the New York Times reported, citing American officials and other intelligence sources.

The Chinese engineers were able to photograph the wreckage and take samples of the stealth skin that helps the chopper avoid radar detection, intelligence sources told the Financial Times.

When the aircraft crashed during the raid that killed the al Qaeda leader in May, Navy SEALs destroyed most of it to protect the technology. But the tail section remained mostly intact and it was that area that the Chinese engineers examined, according to the New York Times report.

U.S. intelligence is basing its opinion that the Chinese got access to the stealth copter on intercepted phone conversations, the Times reported.


A U.S. official says “we have reason to suspect China was given access but we cannot confirm it definitively. We have strong suspicions.”

Pakistani officials contacted by the New York Times refused comment on the matter. The Financial Times said a Pakistani official denied the accusations.

Both newspapers noted that China and Pakistan enjoy a longstanding military relationship.

The raid that killed bin Laden, staged without informing Pakistan, stoked tensions between the U.S. and Pakistan.

In July, the U.S. said it was withholding $800 million in aid to Pakistan.

"They've taken some steps that have given us reason to pause on some of the aid which we're giving to the military, and we're trying to work through that," White House Chief of Staff William Daley said at the time.


The Blackhawk is based on a civilian model helicopter designed in the 70's. They have been sold to everyone, China included

https://plane-encyclopedia.com/cold-war ... e-service/

[Burn1dwn]

i am confused. did we actually leave this stuff behind? id there an inventory of what is still there? i am guessing we didnt abandon a bunch of blackhawks

Yeah, I'm calling BS on that too. Maybe a few aged Hummers in outlining areas but nothing major like Blackhawks or anything really important like Stingers or whatever.

If they could fly them, they would be posting videos of themselves doing it.

[CentralTexasCrude]

Like CQ said. The bin-Laden raid is filtered down to the public like it was some whiz bang tech marvel carried out with 100% precision when really, once the military stopped slapping their backs on getting him and OP guys started evaluating the overall mission results, it was pretty grim watching even considering the difficulty of the mission.

[Reservoir Dog]

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