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Re: The vaccines are failing

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Animal wrote: Tue Oct 12, 2021 1:25 am
Stapes wrote: Tue Oct 12, 2021 1:15 am
Animal wrote: Tue Oct 12, 2021 12:37 am i don't think that its any secret that the pilots union is against the mandates. the question is whether the pilots are causing the problem or if its something within SW airlines mgmt system that is doing it.

as i said earlier, that analyst i heard on the news said he thinks its NOT the pilots and thinks it IS a problem with some new system SW has.
It isn't necessarily that the union is against vaccines...... They don't like that the company makes unilateral decisions concerning labor without negotiating/going through the union. Unions know they can not give management one inch or they take advantage. Non union people might think it's petty but unions have learned the hard way. That's why they are there.
no. i get it. its like the mafia letting some two bit hood sell crack in one of their neighborhoods. They just can't have anyone going around them.
Lol. Yea. Like that... Lol
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Re: The vaccines are failing

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Stapes wrote: Tue Oct 12, 2021 12:24 am
Biker wrote: Mon Oct 11, 2021 11:30 pm
Stapes wrote: Mon Oct 11, 2021 9:30 pm
Biker wrote: Mon Oct 11, 2021 9:27 pm
Stapes wrote: Mon Oct 11, 2021 9:22 pm
Biker wrote: Mon Oct 11, 2021 9:18 pm

Christ, youre dumb. Do you actually think the union would admit to an illegal slowdown? Think for once in your damned life
is that what your feed told you?
I know you were just one of the grunts in your union, but the leadership understands the risks of slowdowns

Not a new problem hoss



"SWAPA is aware of operational difficulties affecting Southwest Airlines today due to a number of issues, but we can say with confidence that our pilots are not participating in any official or unofficial job actions," the union said in a statement.

Southwest has had a difficult year. The airline had the worst on-time performance and the greatest percentage of canceled flights of any of the nation's four major airlines in June and July, according to flight tracking service Cirium. Passengers aren't the only ones upset with Southwest: Unions for pilots, flight attendants and mechanics have all voiced complaints about the airline's operations.
Oh, BTW…….SWAPA filed for a temp injunction against the mandate. Moron
and what's that got to do with what we are discussing? Southwest has an operational management problem that has been ongoing.........cancellations have been nothing new.....but you are trying to create something that isn't there because of your anti vaccine mandate stance.
This is where critical thinking skills come into play and since you do not have any, is there any reason to go further?
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Re: The vaccines are failing

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Biker wrote: Tue Oct 12, 2021 3:19 am
Stapes wrote: Tue Oct 12, 2021 12:24 am
Biker wrote: Mon Oct 11, 2021 11:30 pm
Stapes wrote: Mon Oct 11, 2021 9:30 pm
Biker wrote: Mon Oct 11, 2021 9:27 pm
Stapes wrote: Mon Oct 11, 2021 9:22 pm

is that what your feed told you?
I know you were just one of the grunts in your union, but the leadership understands the risks of slowdowns

Not a new problem hoss



"SWAPA is aware of operational difficulties affecting Southwest Airlines today due to a number of issues, but we can say with confidence that our pilots are not participating in any official or unofficial job actions," the union said in a statement.

Southwest has had a difficult year. The airline had the worst on-time performance and the greatest percentage of canceled flights of any of the nation's four major airlines in June and July, according to flight tracking service Cirium. Passengers aren't the only ones upset with Southwest: Unions for pilots, flight attendants and mechanics have all voiced complaints about the airline's operations.
Oh, BTW…….SWAPA filed for a temp injunction against the mandate. Moron
and what's that got to do with what we are discussing? Southwest has an operational management problem that has been ongoing.........cancellations have been nothing new.....but you are trying to create something that isn't there because of your anti vaccine mandate stance.
This is where critical thinking skills come into play and since you do not have any, is there any reason to go further?
Nice try gaslighter. I think we all know who gets shown up constantly as being factually incorrect, misinformed, a perpetuator of lies and conspiracy nuttery. You aren't going to find too many defenders who consider you an intelligent and reliable source of information
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So in your eyes a problem that has been apparent before but still allowed the company to function pretty normally is the exact same as nearly shutting the entire operation down? You dont see a difference there? Of course this is the pilots flexing their collective muscle in the only way they can. To not connect these dots is some serious rose colored glasses viewing.
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CHEEZY17 wrote: Tue Oct 12, 2021 11:32 am So in your eyes a problem that has been apparent before but still allowed the company to function pretty normally is the exact same as nearly shutting the entire operation down? You dont see a difference there? Of course this is the pilots flexing their collective muscle in the only way they can. To not connect these dots is some serious rose colored glasses viewing.
Except that isn't what is going on.
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I am begining to suspect it might be the pilots "sick out" after all. I heard a union spokesman denying it all this morning and he said that the rate of sick pilots right now is about on par with the rate of sick this past summer.

That seems like a typical excuse cover up type comment from a spokesman.

I guess its a double edged sword. They can't appear to be too sick (to sick, howie) or they will only be reinforcing the fact that they need vaccines more than ever.
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Stapes wrote: Tue Oct 12, 2021 1:31 pm
CHEEZY17 wrote: Tue Oct 12, 2021 11:32 am So in your eyes a problem that has been apparent before but still allowed the company to function pretty normally is the exact same as nearly shutting the entire operation down? You dont see a difference there? Of course this is the pilots flexing their collective muscle in the only way they can. To not connect these dots is some serious rose colored glasses viewing.
Except that isn't what is going on.
So despite the strong opposition to the vax mandate and the fact that theyre taking the company to court to stop it, you think its an operations misfire. Do you have any evidence of that?
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Biker wrote: Tue Oct 12, 2021 2:10 pm
Stapes wrote: Tue Oct 12, 2021 1:31 pm
CHEEZY17 wrote: Tue Oct 12, 2021 11:32 am So in your eyes a problem that has been apparent before but still allowed the company to function pretty normally is the exact same as nearly shutting the entire operation down? You dont see a difference there? Of course this is the pilots flexing their collective muscle in the only way they can. To not connect these dots is some serious rose colored glasses viewing.
Except that isn't what is going on.
So despite the strong opposition to the vax mandate and the fact that theyre taking the company to court to stop it, you think its an operations misfire. Do you have any evidence of that?
Or the fact that they also tried to inexplicably blame weather issues; despite no other airlines in the area canceling or delaying flights due to weather. :lol:
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CHEEZY17 wrote: Tue Oct 12, 2021 3:12 pm
Biker wrote: Tue Oct 12, 2021 2:10 pm
Stapes wrote: Tue Oct 12, 2021 1:31 pm
CHEEZY17 wrote: Tue Oct 12, 2021 11:32 am So in your eyes a problem that has been apparent before but still allowed the company to function pretty normally is the exact same as nearly shutting the entire operation down? You dont see a difference there? Of course this is the pilots flexing their collective muscle in the only way they can. To not connect these dots is some serious rose colored glasses viewing.
Except that isn't what is going on.
So despite the strong opposition to the vax mandate and the fact that theyre taking the company to court to stop it, you think its an operations misfire. Do you have any evidence of that?
Or the fact that they also tried to inexplicably blame weather issues; despite no other airlines in the area canceling or delaying flights due to weather. :lol:


You think management is going to blame their own incompetence? The fact that they aren 't pinning it on the Union goes to show you they know they arent to blame......'cause they would waste no time in pointing the finger. You a&&holes are delusional.
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This story is sort of like the Wuhan Lab story. At some point it doesn't matter what people are saying, it just comes down to "if it walks like a duck, and it quacks......"
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Stapes wrote: Tue Oct 12, 2021 4:01 pm
CHEEZY17 wrote: Tue Oct 12, 2021 3:12 pm
Biker wrote: Tue Oct 12, 2021 2:10 pm
Stapes wrote: Tue Oct 12, 2021 1:31 pm
CHEEZY17 wrote: Tue Oct 12, 2021 11:32 am So in your eyes a problem that has been apparent before but still allowed the company to function pretty normally is the exact same as nearly shutting the entire operation down? You dont see a difference there? Of course this is the pilots flexing their collective muscle in the only way they can. To not connect these dots is some serious rose colored glasses viewing.
Except that isn't what is going on.
So despite the strong opposition to the vax mandate and the fact that theyre taking the company to court to stop it, you think its an operations misfire. Do you have any evidence of that?
Or the fact that they also tried to inexplicably blame weather issues; despite no other airlines in the area canceling or delaying flights due to weather. :lol:


You think management is going to blame their own incompetence? The fact that they aren 't pinning it on the Union goes to show you they know they arent to blame......'cause they would waste no time in pointing the finger. You a&&holes are delusional.
The union did not cite any specific operational issue. Also, do you think the union would readily admit an illegal job action? You’re simply being obtuse and intellectually dishonest
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Animal wrote: Tue Oct 12, 2021 4:13 pm This story is sort of like the Wuhan Lab story. At some point it doesn't matter what people are saying, it just comes down to "if it walks like a duck, and it quacks......"
And like the lab leak, leftists side with most absurd explanation
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Biker wrote: Tue Oct 12, 2021 4:43 pm
Stapes wrote: Tue Oct 12, 2021 4:01 pm
CHEEZY17 wrote: Tue Oct 12, 2021 3:12 pm
Biker wrote: Tue Oct 12, 2021 2:10 pm
Stapes wrote: Tue Oct 12, 2021 1:31 pm
CHEEZY17 wrote: Tue Oct 12, 2021 11:32 am So in your eyes a problem that has been apparent before but still allowed the company to function pretty normally is the exact same as nearly shutting the entire operation down? You dont see a difference there? Of course this is the pilots flexing their collective muscle in the only way they can. To not connect these dots is some serious rose colored glasses viewing.
Except that isn't what is going on.
So despite the strong opposition to the vax mandate and the fact that theyre taking the company to court to stop it, you think its an operations misfire. Do you have any evidence of that?
Or the fact that they also tried to inexplicably blame weather issues; despite no other airlines in the area canceling or delaying flights due to weather. :lol:


You think management is going to blame their own incompetence? The fact that they aren 't pinning it on the Union goes to show you they know they arent to blame......'cause they would waste no time in pointing the finger. You a&&holes are delusional.
The union did not cite any specific operational issue. Also, do you think the union would readily admit an illegal job action? You’re simply being obtuse and intellectually dishonest
Well number one you're a jackass.

Number two you don't know how unions work..... they don't just arbitrarily conduct job actions.... No matter what you and ted cruz think.

Do your own fucking research on the subject
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Re: The vaccines are failing

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Stapes wrote: Tue Oct 12, 2021 4:54 pm
Biker wrote: Tue Oct 12, 2021 4:43 pm
Stapes wrote: Tue Oct 12, 2021 4:01 pm
CHEEZY17 wrote: Tue Oct 12, 2021 3:12 pm
Biker wrote: Tue Oct 12, 2021 2:10 pm
Stapes wrote: Tue Oct 12, 2021 1:31 pm

Except that isn't what is going on.
So despite the strong opposition to the vax mandate and the fact that theyre taking the company to court to stop it, you think its an operations misfire. Do you have any evidence of that?
Or the fact that they also tried to inexplicably blame weather issues; despite no other airlines in the area canceling or delaying flights due to weather. :lol:


You think management is going to blame their own incompetence? The fact that they aren 't pinning it on the Union goes to show you they know they arent to blame......'cause they would waste no time in pointing the finger. You a&&holes are delusional.
The union did not cite any specific operational issue. Also, do you think the union would readily admit an illegal job action? You’re simply being obtuse and intellectually dishonest
Well number one you're a jackass.

Number two you don't know how unions work..... they don't just arbitrarily conduct job actions.... No matter what you and ted cruz think.

Do your own fucking research on the subject
One, I know exactly how unions work. Two, yes, they do conduct job actions especially when there is a hard and fast deadline imposed by a company and/or government. Three, youre a pathetic cuckold who is also a dishonest, lying cunt.
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Glad we worked that out
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iT aInT tHe PiloTs!!!!11!

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[media] https://twitter.com/i/status/1447533987770023941 [/media]
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CHEEZY17 wrote: Tue Oct 12, 2021 8:23 pm iT aInT tHe PiloTs!!!!11!

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Thats in reference to the operations within management

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Pandemic of the Vaccinated – Latest PHE Report reveals the vaccinated account for 70% of Covid-19 deaths since February


Because of the threats now being made to give an experimental Covid-19 injection to children against the advice of the JCVI, and the confirmation that vaccine passports will be introduced in the United Kingdom from October, you’re probably not aware that Public Health England have released a report at precisely the same time which reveals 70% of Covid-19 deaths since February are people who had been vaccinated.

The report titled ‘SARS-CoV-2 variants of concern and variants under investigation in England’, is the 22nd technical briefing on alleged variants of concern in the United Kingdom and makes for extremely interesting reading once you realise what the statistics are actually telling us.

PHE have compiled a helpful table which shows the number of alleged confirmed Delta variant cases in the UK alongside the number of alleged deaths due to the variant. The table shows that since the 1st February 2021 up to the 29th August 2021 there have been 492,528 alleged confirmed cases of the Delta variant. Of these 144,067 had been confirmed in the past 28 days alone.

The data shows that people who are not vaccinated account for just 44% of the alleged confirm Covid cases, whilst those who are fully vaccinated account for 23% of the alleged confirmed cases. A further 16% of the alleged cases are people who had received one dose of a Covid-19 vaccine at least 21 days prior to their alleged confirmed Covid-19 infection.


As you can see from the above table nearly twice as many people who are not vaccinated account for confirmed cases of Covid-19 than those who are fully vaccinated. However when you include the number to have received one dose of a Covid-19 injection the number of cases among the vaccinated group (222,693) actually surpasses the number that have been recorded among the unvaccinated population.

When the Covid-19 vaccines were given emergency use authorisation the authorities did not have a clue as to whether they would work. The limited trials carried out only measured whether or not a vaccinated person suffered serious disease if infected with Covid-19, they did not measure whether a vaccinated person could still become infected with Covid-19, and they did not measure whether or not a vaccinated person could still spread the virus in line with the mainstream accepted germ theory.

It is claimed that the vaccines reduce the chances of suffering serious illness if infected with Covid-19 significantly, so although the vaccinated population actually surpasses the number of infections recorded among the unvaccinated population you would assume that the opposite would be seen in the number of people who have allegedly died to the Delta variant?

Because we have been told time and time again that the Covid-19 vaccines are our only route back to normal and we must come forward, roll up our sleeves and get the jab when called upon to do so. So the vaccines must surely do what they say on the tin?

That must be why they are so desperate to give an experimental injection to children, even though they are already at negligible risk of suffering serious disease. Perhaps the latest Public Health England data shows that risk would be reduced to zero?

Unfortunately, it looks as if we have been lied to and instead of the Covid-19 vaccines being our route back to normal they are instead quite the opposite. Because the data published by Public Health England shows us that the number of alleged deaths due to the Delta variant are not just higher among those who have received two doses of the Covid-19 vaccine, they are astronomically higher.


The total number of deaths to have occurred since February 2021 involving the Delta Covid-19 variant that have been linked to vaccination status total 1,698. Of these just 30% have been among the unvaccinated population, despite the fact most second vaccinations were administered between April and June.

Whereas fully vaccinated account for 64.25% of Covid-19 deaths since February 2021, and when including the partly vaccinated in those numbers they account for 70%. However, it’s important to note that many of the deaths that occurred in the partly vaccinated population may have actually been people who had received two doses of a Covid-19 injection due to the fact PHE does not regard them as having had two doses if it has not been two weeks since they had the second dose.

But what does this mean in terms of the risk of death if infected with the Delta Covid-19 variant? Well it means the risk of death increases significantly in those who have been fully vaccinated.

536 deaths have occurred among 219,716 confirmed cases in the unvaccinated population since February. This is a case fatality rate of 0.2%.

Whereas 1,091 deaths have occurred among 113,823 cases among the fully vaccinated population. This is a case fatality rate of 1%.

This means the Covid-19 injections seem to be increasing the risk of death due to Covid-19 by 400% rather than reducing the risk of death by 95% as claimed by the vaccine manufacturers, Public Health bodies, and the Government, and now they want to give this experimental, deadly treatment to your children.
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If that last "article" was a photo it would look like this.

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COVID in Israel: New Serious Cases Drop 60% in Three Weeks

Seventy percent of COVID-related deaths in Israel over the past week were unvaccinated, far exceeding their 15-percent share of Israelis eligible for a vaccine
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Muh, management operational failure
More than 100K workers threaten strikes as unions flex muscles

Karl Evers-Hillstrom10/13/21 06:00 AM EDT

Workers in various industries nationwide are threatening to go on strike in a sweeping effort to secure higher pay and better working conditions.

More than 100,000 unionized employees — between Hollywood production crew members, John Deere factory workers and Kaiser Permanente nurses — have overwhelmingly voted to authorize strikes and are preparing to join the picket line unless they get stronger collective bargaining agreements.

Thousands are already on strike, including 2,000 New York hospital workers, 700 Massachusetts nurses and 1,400 Kellogg plant workers in Michigan, Nebraska, Pennsylvania and Tennessee.

The wave of strikes comes at a key moment for labor groups, which have steadily lost ground in recent decades amid anti-union legislation and corporate crackdowns on organizing. But with companies now struggling to find employees, unions are finding leverage in their effort to boost front-line wages that have historically been limited due to a steady supply of applicants willing to take lower-paying jobs.

In a near-unanimous vote Monday, unions representing more than 24,000 Kaiser Permanente nurses and other health care workers in California and Oregon authorized a potential strike after contract negotiations stalled. Roughly 38,000 Kaiser workers have now authorized their union leaders to call a strike, if necessary.

Kaiser nurses, who are protesting pandemic-induced burnout exacerbated by low staffing levels, are pushing for 4 percent annual raises and ramped-up hiring. They oppose the company’s offer to increase annual pay by 1 percent over the next three years and implement a two-tier system that would pay newly hired workers less than longer-tenured employees.

Jodi Barschow, president of the Oregon Federation of Nurses and Health Professionals, said in a statement that Kaiser’s proposals “show a profound disrespect for the frontline healthcare workers who are risking their lives during COVID.”

Though they’re far apart on contract talks, both sides say they want to avoid a strike that would severely disrupt medical care amid the coronavirus pandemic.

“We ask that our employees reject a call to walk away from the patients who need them,” Arlene Peasnall, Kaiser’s senior vice president of human resources, said in a statement. “Our priority is to continue to provide our members with high-quality, safe care.”

In the Midwest, more than 10,000 John Deere employees could walk out on Thursday after overwhelmingly voting to reject a new contract negotiated between the farm equipment manufacturer and United Auto Workers (UAW) over the weekend.
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Biker wrote: Wed Oct 13, 2021 2:14 pm Muh, management operational failure
More than 100K workers threaten strikes as unions flex muscles

Karl Evers-Hillstrom10/13/21 06:00 AM EDT

Workers in various industries nationwide are threatening to go on strike in a sweeping effort to secure higher pay and better working conditions.

More than 100,000 unionized employees — between Hollywood production crew members, John Deere factory workers and Kaiser Permanente nurses — have overwhelmingly voted to authorize strikes and are preparing to join the picket line unless they get stronger collective bargaining agreements.

Thousands are already on strike, including 2,000 New York hospital workers, 700 Massachusetts nurses and 1,400 Kellogg plant workers in Michigan, Nebraska, Pennsylvania and Tennessee.

The wave of strikes comes at a key moment for labor groups, which have steadily lost ground in recent decades amid anti-union legislation and corporate crackdowns on organizing. But with companies now struggling to find employees, unions are finding leverage in their effort to boost front-line wages that have historically been limited due to a steady supply of applicants willing to take lower-paying jobs.

In a near-unanimous vote Monday, unions representing more than 24,000 Kaiser Permanente nurses and other health care workers in California and Oregon authorized a potential strike after contract negotiations stalled. Roughly 38,000 Kaiser workers have now authorized their union leaders to call a strike, if necessary.

Kaiser nurses, who are protesting pandemic-induced burnout exacerbated by low staffing levels, are pushing for 4 percent annual raises and ramped-up hiring. They oppose the company’s offer to increase annual pay by 1 percent over the next three years and implement a two-tier system that would pay newly hired workers less than longer-tenured employees.

Jodi Barschow, president of the Oregon Federation of Nurses and Health Professionals, said in a statement that Kaiser’s proposals “show a profound disrespect for the frontline healthcare workers who are risking their lives during COVID.”

Though they’re far apart on contract talks, both sides say they want to avoid a strike that would severely disrupt medical care amid the coronavirus pandemic.

“We ask that our employees reject a call to walk away from the patients who need them,” Arlene Peasnall, Kaiser’s senior vice president of human resources, said in a statement. “Our priority is to continue to provide our members with high-quality, safe care.”

In the Midwest, more than 10,000 John Deere employees could walk out on Thursday after overwhelmingly voting to reject a new contract negotiated between the farm equipment manufacturer and United Auto Workers (UAW) over the weekend.


So....nothing to do with vaccines or Southwest pilots........
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