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Some demographic breakdowns on abortion.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/244709/pro ... ables.aspx
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CHEEZY17 wrote: Mon May 09, 2022 11:35 am Some demographic breakdowns on abortion.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/244709/pro ... ables.aspx
That doesn't seem to make much sense. Most of the "Pro Choice " (people in favor of abortion) are college educated, high income and white.

HOWEVER, Most of the "Pro Life" (people against abortion) are conservative.
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Animal wrote: Mon May 09, 2022 2:14 pm
CHEEZY17 wrote: Mon May 09, 2022 11:35 am Some demographic breakdowns on abortion.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/244709/pro ... ables.aspx
That doesn't seem to make much sense. Most of the "Pro Choice " (people in favor of abortion) are college educated, high income and white.

HOWEVER, Most of the "Pro Life" (people against abortion) are conservative.
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Animal wrote: Mon May 09, 2022 2:14 pm
CHEEZY17 wrote: Mon May 09, 2022 11:35 am Some demographic breakdowns on abortion.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/244709/pro ... ables.aspx
That doesn't seem to make much sense. Most of the "Pro Choice " (people in favor of abortion) are college educated, high income and white.

HOWEVER, Most of the "Pro Life" (people against abortion) are conservative.
Which makes perfect sense, considering that Democrats are, and have always been, the party of racism, from their founding of the KKK, to their formation of the Confederacy to defend the institution of slavery, to their Jim Crow laws, to their standing in the Schoolhouse doors to keep black students from entering predominantly white schools, to their Affirmative Action policies, to their repeated shoot-downs of the Civil Rights Act, to their modern-day calls for segregation and "how to be less white" propaganda.
Their pro-abortion demands, supporting the practice that kills black babies at a VASTLY higher rate than any other race, is just yet another facet of the long history of democrat racism. Let's not forget that democrats support Planned Parenthood and venerate its founder, Margaret Sanger, an outspoken racist who founded it as an effort to decrease the black population.

Protests to defend abortion "rights" is extraordinarily on-brand for the democrats.
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THEY HAD ZIP TIES AND CELL PHONES!!!1!111

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Deathproof wrote: Mon May 09, 2022 11:16 pm I don't know what your party is, it doesn't seem to have a consistent platform. Or even any platform. Just abortion, hate, and lies.
Spoken like someone who didn't grow up in the South with Dixie-crats as their elected representatives. What you said is an old fib, a whole-cloth rewriting of the actual history, but damn do you righties love to tell it now. But I remember. What I remember is all the conservative Democrats moving almost to a man (except for fossils like Manchin) to the Republican Party into the 80's. I have no doubt that even LBJ would have become a Republican, the truth behind that man is the stuff of your present party. Your current party is not the party of Eisenhower, Goldwater, Nixon, or even Reagan. I don't know what your party is, it doesn't seem to have a consistent platform. Or even any platform. Just abortion, hate, and lies.

By the way, to get back on topic: it must be noted that the leaked SCOTUS document implies that Roe v Wade should return back to the states for them to decide. Fine, so why are a lot of Republicans suddenly all for a federal law against abortion? Is it a states rights issue, or isn't it?
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QillerDaemon wrote: Wed May 11, 2022 3:10 pm I don't know what your party is, it doesn't seem to have a consistent platform. Or even any platform. Just abortion, hate, and lies.

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Look 👀 who voted no on codifying Roe, none other than Joe Manchin
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Who wrote: Thu May 12, 2022 2:43 am Look 👀 who voted no on codifying Roe, none other than Joe Manchin
I'm actually generally pro-choice but Thank God for that man.
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CHEEZY17 wrote: Thu May 12, 2022 10:42 am
Who wrote: Thu May 12, 2022 2:43 am Look 👀 who voted no on codifying Roe, none other than Joe Manchin
I'm actually generally pro-choice but Thank God for that man.
He should be regarded as an American hero at this point. He has prevented a lot of catastrophes from happening.
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peterosehaircut wrote: Thu May 12, 2022 12:54 pm
CHEEZY17 wrote: Thu May 12, 2022 10:42 am
Who wrote: Thu May 12, 2022 2:43 am Look 👀 who voted no on codifying Roe, none other than Joe Manchin
I'm actually generally pro-choice but Thank God for that man.
He should be regarded as an American hero at this point. He has prevented a lot of catastrophes from happening.
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Who wrote: Thu May 12, 2022 1:27 pm
peterosehaircut wrote: Thu May 12, 2022 12:54 pm
CHEEZY17 wrote: Thu May 12, 2022 10:42 am
Who wrote: Thu May 12, 2022 2:43 am Look 👀 who voted no on codifying Roe, none other than Joe Manchin
I'm actually generally pro-choice but Thank God for that man.
He should be regarded as an American hero at this point. He has prevented a lot of catastrophes from happening.
How so?
By voting against several Democrat policies.
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QillerDaemon wrote: Wed May 11, 2022 3:10 pm
Deathproof wrote: Mon May 09, 2022 11:16 pm I don't know what your party is, it doesn't seem to have a consistent platform. Or even any platform. Just abortion, hate, and lies.
Spoken like someone who didn't grow up in the South with Dixie-crats as their elected representatives. What you said is an old fib, a whole-cloth rewriting of the actual history, but damn do you righties love to tell it now. But I remember. What I remember is all the conservative Democrats moving almost to a man (except for fossils like Manchin) to the Republican Party into the 80's. I have no doubt that even LBJ would have become a Republican, the truth behind that man is the stuff of your present party. Your current party is not the party of Eisenhower, Goldwater, Nixon, or even Reagan. I don't know what your party is, it doesn't seem to have a consistent platform. Or even any platform. Just abortion, hate, and lies.

By the way, to get back on topic: it must be noted that the leaked SCOTUS document implies that Roe v Wade should return back to the states for them to decide. Fine, so why are a lot of Republicans suddenly all for a federal law against abortion? Is it a states rights issue, or isn't it?
Actually, what I said was spoken like someone who has studied American history. Those "dixiecrats" you people like to bring up whenever someone cites the actual, factual, real racist history of the Democrat party are mythical at nest and a deliberate lie at worst. You guys love to talk about the "party shift", meaning Republicans and democrats changed outlooks on issues of race, but... the party shift didn't happen. And a little basic research proves it.

What you're referring to is the misguided and false idea that a bunch of racist democrats (redundant, I know) got upset with Democrat colleagues who finally, after striking it down several times, got in line with Republicans who had all along been supporting and voting in favor of the Civil Rights Act. The story goes that those staunch, stubborn racists "left the democrat party and joined the Republicans" to preserve racist ideals in the South. However, the truth doesn't match up with the story.
Exactly ONE racist Democrat senator -- Strom Thurmond -- defected to the Republican party, and he did so long before Nixon's time. Exactly ONE racist Democrat Congressman-- Albert Watson of South Carolina -- joined the GOP. The rest of those "dixiecrats" stayed with the Democrat party and voted overwhelmingly along Democrat party lines for the rest of their political careers, and that is an easily-researched matter of public record.

The South, as a whole, became Republican during the 1970s and 1990s, and had nothing to do with Nixon or the "southern strategy" the democrats have been lying about for decades. The Republican party, in actuality, is still the party of Luncol , Reagan, Eisenhower, and even Martin Luther King Jr, who was a Republican.

Your party is still the party of lies and racism.
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Deathproof wrote: Thu May 12, 2022 1:34 pm
By voting against several Democrat policies.
And that's all the Republican Party is these days, the party that only votes against someone else's policies, just "'cuz".

How much history do you want to rewrite to paint over that Trump and the Republican Party had almost the entire US national government under control, with its first prime directive to kill "Obamacare" (aka ACA, which a surprising number of Americans support as such), and DIDN'T EVEN ACCOMPLISH THAT! Much less anything else substantial. Tried to rewrite NAFTA. Put up a little bit of wall, which Mexico didn't pay a dime for. Because Trump had no idea what to accomplish, certainly anything of benefit to the average (not wealthy) American citizen. The only actual policy was "NO!", and nothing is all the US got under 45.

I'm not going to try to reply to your drivel about rewriting Democrat Party history, except to say that until the 80's, the Republican Party was moribund in Texas and Florida. Nobody was voting for Republicans a hundred years ago, and only a dribble fifty years ago, in either state. But now the Republican Party has run both states for at least the last 20 years, and still try to blame Democrats for policies both parties willingly voted for, and many of which worked fine until the Republicans started making "adjustments" to those policies. Rewrite all you want, the actual history is still out there. At least it will be as long as you don't try to paint it over with a hue of "CRT", fighting some cultural war you insist on fighting.
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QillerDaemon wrote: Thu May 12, 2022 3:00 pm
Deathproof wrote: Thu May 12, 2022 1:34 pm
By voting against several Democrat policies.
And that's all the Republican Party is these days, the party that only votes against someone else's policies, just "'cuz".

How much history do you want to rewrite to paint over that Trump and the Republican Party had almost the entire US national government under control, with its first prime directive to kill "Obamacare" (aka ACA, which a surprising number of Americans support as such), and DIDN'T EVEN ACCOMPLISH THAT! Much less anything else substantial. Tried to rewrite NAFTA. Put up a little bit of wall, which Mexico didn't pay a dime for. Because Trump had no idea what to accomplish, certainly anything of benefit to the average (not wealthy) American citizen. The only actual policy was "NO!", and nothing is all the US got under 45.

I'm not going to try to reply to your drivel about rewriting Democrat Party history, except to say that until the 80's, the Republican Party was moribund in Texas and Florida. Nobody was voting for Republicans a hundred years ago, and only a dribble fifty years ago, in either state. But now the Republican Party has run both states for at least the last 20 years, and still try to blame Democrats for policies both parties willingly voted for, and many of which worked fine until the Republicans started making "adjustments" to those policies. Rewrite all you want, the actual history is still out there. At least it will be as long as you don't try to paint it over with a hue of "CRT", fighting some cultural war you insist on fighting.
you seem to have a real problem understanding the switch from democrats to republicans. the reason texas is majority repubican now is because as people rose in income and wealth their children rejected the democrat form of governing and joined the republican style of governing. The parties and their views on anything didn't change. The children switched parties. The parents remained democrat and their kids switched to republican.
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Generally speaking when it comes to a lot of democrat positions the absolute correct response/action is "no". And many people seem to agree as the R party continues to grow.
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The problem is not that there is evil in the world, the problem is that there is good. Because otherwise, who would care?
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saltydog wrote: Fri May 13, 2022 6:28 pm
actually, the word you are both looking for is "untrue".
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Animal wrote: Fri May 13, 2022 6:36 pm
saltydog wrote: Fri May 13, 2022 6:28 pm
actually, the word you are both looking for is "untrue".
That settles it.
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saltydog wrote: Fri May 13, 2022 7:31 pm
Animal wrote: Fri May 13, 2022 6:36 pm
saltydog wrote: Fri May 13, 2022 6:28 pm
actually, the word you are both looking for is "untrue".
That settles it.
its a false statement and just more misinformation spread by the left. The Catholic church not only will have a mass for a stillborn child, they allow the burials in Catholic cemeteries, they do full funerals for stillborn babies, they even have special prayers that they will do for stillborn babies.
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QillerDaemon wrote: Thu May 12, 2022 3:00 pm
Deathproof wrote: Thu May 12, 2022 1:34 pm
By voting against several Democrat policies.
And that's all the Republican Party is these days, the party that only votes against someone else's policies, just "'cuz".

How much history do you want to rewrite to paint over that Trump and the Republican Party had almost the entire US national government under control, with its first prime directive to kill "Obamacare" (aka ACA, which a surprising number of Americans support as such), and DIDN'T EVEN ACCOMPLISH THAT! Much less anything else substantial. Tried to rewrite NAFTA. Put up a little bit of wall, which Mexico didn't pay a dime for. Because Trump had no idea what to accomplish, certainly anything of benefit to the average (not wealthy) American citizen. The only actual policy was "NO!", and nothing is all the US got under 45.

I'm not going to try to reply to your drivel about rewriting Democrat Party history, except to say that until the 80's, the Republican Party was moribund in Texas and Florida. Nobody was voting for Republicans a hundred years ago, and only a dribble fifty years ago, in either state. But now the Republican Party has run both states for at least the last 20 years, and still try to blame Democrats for policies both parties willingly voted for, and many of which worked fine until the Republicans started making "adjustments" to those policies. Rewrite all you want, the actual history is still out there. At least it will be as long as you don't try to paint it over with a hue of "CRT", fighting some cultural war you insist on fighting.
Notice how when presented with irrefutable evidence that racism is part of the fabric of the Democrat party, you shift gears and move on to something else. That is so typical.

However. It’s true that the voters missed a huge opportunity when they had control of both houses and the presidency. I blame rhinos for that including the former speaker of the house who is no longer in government but is now slopping himself at the corporate trough.
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