Probably dont want to debate prescription drug prices with a Canadian.....Biker wrote: ↑Sun Jul 31, 2022 3:36 pmIs your insulin covered or do you have to pay for it?Evil.Fkn.Mean,Nasty wrote: ↑Sun Jul 31, 2022 3:33 pmCertainly doing a better job keeping all of our citizens healthy.squirt wrote: ↑Sat Jul 30, 2022 7:34 pmSorry, I don't buy into Canadian or UK universal health care. Our system is fucked up, but there's still plenty of medical tourism from those places.Evil.Fkn.Mean,Nasty wrote: ↑Sat Jul 30, 2022 7:28 pmThat really is the problem with your healthcare. No one trusts the Gov to do it and the private sector is raping your chequebooks. You dont have anyone to run it properly.squirt wrote: ↑Sat Jul 30, 2022 7:11 pmThis is why I laugh hysterically at everyone screaming "Muh government health care!"BigRedRetard wrote: ↑Sat Jul 30, 2022 4:44 pm
The V.A is a pretty big customer at my company. The inefficiency and waste in the one department we deal with is disgusting. I can only imagine how bad it gets once you get beyond those four walls. I would rather see the VA privatized. I really believe our vets would get much better care.
Mother fucker, I've been using military health care since 1986. You do NOT want the gov't in charge of ALL health care.
Granted, everything is FUBAR'd right now as well. But let's be real - the gov't fucks up everything. I can attest to that.
Are you insinuating that Canada is doing it right?
You guys just voted on giving free healthcare to veterans that got poisoned by toxins in some shithole place.
Every Canadian citizen has what you want for a handful of veterans.
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So its not covered. Got itEvil.Fkn.Mean,Nasty wrote: ↑Sun Jul 31, 2022 3:39 pmProbably dont want to debate prescription drug prices with a Canadian.....Biker wrote: ↑Sun Jul 31, 2022 3:36 pmIs your insulin covered or do you have to pay for it?Evil.Fkn.Mean,Nasty wrote: ↑Sun Jul 31, 2022 3:33 pmCertainly doing a better job keeping all of our citizens healthy.squirt wrote: ↑Sat Jul 30, 2022 7:34 pmSorry, I don't buy into Canadian or UK universal health care. Our system is fucked up, but there's still plenty of medical tourism from those places.Evil.Fkn.Mean,Nasty wrote: ↑Sat Jul 30, 2022 7:28 pmThat really is the problem with your healthcare. No one trusts the Gov to do it and the private sector is raping your chequebooks. You dont have anyone to run it properly.squirt wrote: ↑Sat Jul 30, 2022 7:11 pm
This is why I laugh hysterically at everyone screaming "Muh government health care!"
Mother fucker, I've been using military health care since 1986. You do NOT want the gov't in charge of ALL health care.
Granted, everything is FUBAR'd right now as well. But let's be real - the gov't fucks up everything. I can attest to that.
Are you insinuating that Canada is doing it right?
You guys just voted on giving free healthcare to veterans that got poisoned by toxins in some shithole place.
Every Canadian citizen has what you want for a handful of veterans.
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Cost of insulin in the United States... $98Biker wrote: ↑Sun Jul 31, 2022 3:39 pmSo its not covered. Got itEvil.Fkn.Mean,Nasty wrote: ↑Sun Jul 31, 2022 3:39 pmProbably dont want to debate prescription drug prices with a Canadian.....Biker wrote: ↑Sun Jul 31, 2022 3:36 pmIs your insulin covered or do you have to pay for it?Evil.Fkn.Mean,Nasty wrote: ↑Sun Jul 31, 2022 3:33 pmCertainly doing a better job keeping all of our citizens healthy.squirt wrote: ↑Sat Jul 30, 2022 7:34 pmSorry, I don't buy into Canadian or UK universal health care. Our system is fucked up, but there's still plenty of medical tourism from those places.Evil.Fkn.Mean,Nasty wrote: ↑Sat Jul 30, 2022 7:28 pm
That really is the problem with your healthcare. No one trusts the Gov to do it and the private sector is raping your chequebooks. You dont have anyone to run it properly.
Are you insinuating that Canada is doing it right?
You guys just voted on giving free healthcare to veterans that got poisoned by toxins in some shithole place.
Every Canadian citizen has what you want for a handful of veterans.
Cost of insulin in Canada... $12
It's the SAME insulin.
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Yeah, its a shame that Biden rescinded Trumps EO on insulin pricesReservoir Dog wrote: ↑Sun Jul 31, 2022 4:05 pmCost of insulin in the United States... $98Biker wrote: ↑Sun Jul 31, 2022 3:39 pmSo its not covered. Got itEvil.Fkn.Mean,Nasty wrote: ↑Sun Jul 31, 2022 3:39 pmProbably dont want to debate prescription drug prices with a Canadian.....Biker wrote: ↑Sun Jul 31, 2022 3:36 pmIs your insulin covered or do you have to pay for it?Evil.Fkn.Mean,Nasty wrote: ↑Sun Jul 31, 2022 3:33 pmCertainly doing a better job keeping all of our citizens healthy.
You guys just voted on giving free healthcare to veterans that got poisoned by toxins in some shithole place.
Every Canadian citizen has what you want for a handful of veterans.
Cost of insulin in Canada... $12
It's the SAME insulin.
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I can’t get past Stewart’s snark. With just a small crowd-nice mix of women & minorities btw-of sycophants he’s simply cranky and shrill.
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But he isn't lying.Charliesheen wrote: ↑Sun Jul 31, 2022 4:37 pm I can’t get past Stewart’s snark. With just a small crowd-nice mix of women & minorities btw-of sycophants he’s simply cranky and shrill.
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Have you ever seen the military Charles? Lots of women and minorities. Don't you think the groups he name dropped would throw him under the bus if they didn't approve of his message? American Legion, etc..Charliesheen wrote: ↑Sun Jul 31, 2022 4:37 pm I can’t get past Stewart’s snark. With just a small crowd-nice mix of women & minorities btw-of sycophants he’s simply cranky and shrill.
Say what you will about Jon Stewart. He has been using his voice as a spotlight to shit the politicians would like to keep quiet.
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Yep. It was literally the first or second thing he did.Biker wrote: ↑Sun Jul 31, 2022 4:06 pmYeah, its a shame that Biden rescinded Trumps EO on insulin pricesReservoir Dog wrote: ↑Sun Jul 31, 2022 4:05 pmCost of insulin in the United States... $98Biker wrote: ↑Sun Jul 31, 2022 3:39 pmSo its not covered. Got itEvil.Fkn.Mean,Nasty wrote: ↑Sun Jul 31, 2022 3:39 pmProbably dont want to debate prescription drug prices with a Canadian.....Biker wrote: ↑Sun Jul 31, 2022 3:36 pmIs your insulin covered or do you have to pay for it?Evil.Fkn.Mean,Nasty wrote: ↑Sun Jul 31, 2022 3:33 pm
Certainly doing a better job keeping all of our citizens healthy.
You guys just voted on giving free healthcare to veterans that got poisoned by toxins in some shithole place.
Every Canadian citizen has what you want for a handful of veterans.
Cost of insulin in Canada... $12
It's the SAME insulin.
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Trump's EO was only for certain clinics in a few locations. It wasn't for everyone.CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 31, 2022 5:24 pmYep. It was literally the first or second thing he did.Biker wrote: ↑Sun Jul 31, 2022 4:06 pmYeah, its a shame that Biden rescinded Trumps EO on insulin pricesReservoir Dog wrote: ↑Sun Jul 31, 2022 4:05 pmCost of insulin in the United States... $98
Cost of insulin in Canada... $12
It's the SAME insulin.
Biden wants lower insulin prices for EVERYONE.
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Lower prices for a few locations is better than lower prices nowhere. But there tou go, another example of Sippy Cup hampering progress.Reservoir Dog wrote: ↑Sun Jul 31, 2022 5:31 pmTrump's EO was only for certain clinics in a few locations. It wasn't for everyone.CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 31, 2022 5:24 pmYep. It was literally the first or second thing he did.Biker wrote: ↑Sun Jul 31, 2022 4:06 pmYeah, its a shame that Biden rescinded Trumps EO on insulin pricesReservoir Dog wrote: ↑Sun Jul 31, 2022 4:05 pmCost of insulin in the United States... $98Biker wrote: ↑Sun Jul 31, 2022 3:39 pmSo its not covered. Got itEvil.Fkn.Mean,Nasty wrote: ↑Sun Jul 31, 2022 3:39 pm
Probably dont want to debate prescription drug prices with a Canadian.....
Cost of insulin in Canada... $12
It's the SAME insulin.
Biden wants lower insulin prices for EVERYONE.
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Apparently nothing had changed.The question remains why the more than two dozen Republicans, many of whom themselves are veterans, voted for it last month but flipped this week.
Maybe they didn't read it before they voted last time I guess? Either way, voting against now looks bad.
P.S. I did some research on why the House couldn't pass it as is:
So the part that "suddenly" concerned the Senate was unchanged from the one they voted 84-14 forIn June, the bill passed the Senate 84-14. The legislation was ready to be passed by the House, but the bill was delayed as there was one section of the legislation that was being debated by Veterans Affairs Committee leaders.
The bill had to be revised to remove an obscure tax provision that raised a constitutional concern in the House, according to Roll Call. The House passed the revised version on July 13 on a 342-88 vote and sent the package back to the Senate with only a minor change.
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So why couldnt he work toward "lower prices for everyone" while still keeping those lower prices that already existed?Reservoir Dog wrote: ↑Sun Jul 31, 2022 5:31 pmTrump's EO was only for certain clinics in a few locations. It wasn't for everyone.CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 31, 2022 5:24 pmYep. It was literally the first or second thing he did.Biker wrote: ↑Sun Jul 31, 2022 4:06 pmYeah, its a shame that Biden rescinded Trumps EO on insulin pricesReservoir Dog wrote: ↑Sun Jul 31, 2022 4:05 pmCost of insulin in the United States... $98Biker wrote: ↑Sun Jul 31, 2022 3:39 pmSo its not covered. Got itEvil.Fkn.Mean,Nasty wrote: ↑Sun Jul 31, 2022 3:39 pm
Probably dont want to debate prescription drug prices with a Canadian.....
Cost of insulin in Canada... $12
It's the SAME insulin.
Biden wants lower insulin prices for EVERYONE.
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Those campaign donors aint gonna give da money for nuttin'CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 31, 2022 6:05 pmSo why couldnt he work toward "lower prices for everyone" while still keeping those lower prices that already existed?Reservoir Dog wrote: ↑Sun Jul 31, 2022 5:31 pmTrump's EO was only for certain clinics in a few locations. It wasn't for everyone.CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 31, 2022 5:24 pmYep. It was literally the first or second thing he did.Biker wrote: ↑Sun Jul 31, 2022 4:06 pmYeah, its a shame that Biden rescinded Trumps EO on insulin pricesReservoir Dog wrote: ↑Sun Jul 31, 2022 4:05 pmCost of insulin in the United States... $98
Cost of insulin in Canada... $12
It's the SAME insulin.
Biden wants lower insulin prices for EVERYONE.
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Owning the libs bro.FSchmertz wrote: ↑Sun Jul 31, 2022 6:04 pmApparently nothing had changed.The question remains why the more than two dozen Republicans, many of whom themselves are veterans, voted for it last month but flipped this week.
Maybe they didn't read it before they voted last time I guess? Either way, voting against now looks bad.
P.S. I did some research on why the House couldn't pass it as is:
So the part that "suddenly" concerned the Senate was unchanged from the one they voted 84-14 forIn June, the bill passed the Senate 84-14. The legislation was ready to be passed by the House, but the bill was delayed as there was one section of the legislation that was being debated by Veterans Affairs Committee leaders.
The bill had to be revised to remove an obscure tax provision that raised a constitutional concern in the House, according to Roll Call. The House passed the revised version on July 13 on a 342-88 vote and sent the package back to the Senate with only a minor change.
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"The PACT Act as written includes a budget gimmick that would allow $400 billion of current law spending to be moved from the discretionary to the mandatory spending category," the release read.Reservoir Dog wrote: ↑Sat Jul 30, 2022 6:01 pm
Here it is.
There's no "shit fuckery" in it.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-con ... -bill/3967
It went on: "This provision is completely unnecessary to achieve the PACT Act's stated goal of expanding health care and other benefits for veterans. However, it would enable an additional $400 billion in future discretionary spending completely unrelated to veterans. By failing to remove this gimmick, Congress would effectively be using an important veterans care bill to hide a massive, unrelated spending binge."
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As would be expected. The Democrats pick out a lightning rod topic and then latch on some huge spending allocation for other stuff. And then blame republicans for hating the people the lightning rod was "supposed" to protect.
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And, if i read this right, one democrat voted AGAINST the bill, too. Chuck Schumer.
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The bill had one change from the vote they took earlier in the year. It was not that.Animal wrote: ↑Mon Aug 01, 2022 2:41 pm"The PACT Act as written includes a budget gimmick that would allow $400 billion of current law spending to be moved from the discretionary to the mandatory spending category," the release read.Reservoir Dog wrote: ↑Sat Jul 30, 2022 6:01 pm
Here it is.
There's no "shit fuckery" in it.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-con ... -bill/3967
It went on: "This provision is completely unnecessary to achieve the PACT Act's stated goal of expanding health care and other benefits for veterans. However, it would enable an additional $400 billion in future discretionary spending completely unrelated to veterans. By failing to remove this gimmick, Congress would effectively be using an important veterans care bill to hide a massive, unrelated spending binge."
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As would be expected. The Democrats pick out a lightning rod topic and then latch on some huge spending allocation for other stuff. And then blame republicans for hating the people the lightning rod was "supposed" to protect.
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The problem is not that there is evil in the world, the problem is that there is good. Because otherwise, who would care?
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Re: "If this is America First, then America is f*cked."
see how easy it is to get good legislation passed when you write the bill the way it should be written and pay for it the way it should be funded? It got 88 votes? Just a couple of days right after it was voted down because of how the money was going to be spent.
it had nothing to do with those bad republicans not wanting to help veterans. But yall knew that.
Let that be a lesson to you democrats if you want to get stuff done.
it had nothing to do with those bad republicans not wanting to help veterans. But yall knew that.
Let that be a lesson to you democrats if you want to get stuff done.
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Yea Jon Stewart had no effect on these eventsAnimal wrote: ↑Wed Aug 03, 2022 12:48 am see how easy it is to get good legislation passed when you write the bill the way it should be written and pay for it the way it should be funded? It got 88 votes? Just a couple of days right after it was voted down because of how the money was going to be spent.
it had nothing to do with those bad republicans not wanting to help veterans. But yall knew that.
Let that be a lesson to you democrats if you want to get stuff done.
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get the fuck out. he had zero effect. every one of those senators knew when they held the "trial" vote last week what it would take to get the bill passed. even schumer voted against it and he's the fucking senate majority leader.Who wrote: ↑Wed Aug 03, 2022 1:14 amYea Jon Stewart had no effect on these eventsAnimal wrote: ↑Wed Aug 03, 2022 12:48 am see how easy it is to get good legislation passed when you write the bill the way it should be written and pay for it the way it should be funded? It got 88 votes? Just a couple of days right after it was voted down because of how the money was going to be spent.
it had nothing to do with those bad republicans not wanting to help veterans. But yall knew that.
Let that be a lesson to you democrats if you want to get stuff done.
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Keep living in your dream worldAnimal wrote: ↑Wed Aug 03, 2022 1:27 amget the fuck out. he had zero effect. every one of those senators knew when they held the "trial" vote last week what it would take to get the bill passed. even schumer voted against it and he's the fucking senate majority leader.Who wrote: ↑Wed Aug 03, 2022 1:14 amYea Jon Stewart had no effect on these eventsAnimal wrote: ↑Wed Aug 03, 2022 12:48 am see how easy it is to get good legislation passed when you write the bill the way it should be written and pay for it the way it should be funded? It got 88 votes? Just a couple of days right after it was voted down because of how the money was going to be spent.
it had nothing to do with those bad republicans not wanting to help veterans. But yall knew that.
Let that be a lesson to you democrats if you want to get stuff done.
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You are nothing if not consistent. Every single day you prove that pretty much everything discussed in this forum is above your level of understanding.Who wrote: ↑Wed Aug 03, 2022 1:31 amKeep living in your dream worldAnimal wrote: ↑Wed Aug 03, 2022 1:27 amget the fuck out. he had zero effect. every one of those senators knew when they held the "trial" vote last week what it would take to get the bill passed. even schumer voted against it and he's the fucking senate majority leader.Who wrote: ↑Wed Aug 03, 2022 1:14 amYea Jon Stewart had no effect on these eventsAnimal wrote: ↑Wed Aug 03, 2022 12:48 am see how easy it is to get good legislation passed when you write the bill the way it should be written and pay for it the way it should be funded? It got 88 votes? Just a couple of days right after it was voted down because of how the money was going to be spent.
it had nothing to do with those bad republicans not wanting to help veterans. But yall knew that.
Let that be a lesson to you democrats if you want to get stuff done.
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But, by golly, John Stewart convinced 40 republican senators to switch their votes in 3 days. Just because he did some twitters.
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He yelled at a Republican! Its on YouTube and everything!
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