F.B.I. Sent Investigator Posing as Assistant to Meet With Trump Aide in 2016

[beagleboy]

I didn't realize Papadopolous was in prison currently.

Did he escape?

[Charliesheen]

https://www.npr.org/2018/07/23/63134352 ... a-document

Just as a note from this article at NPR:

"The FBI's Russia investigation began in the summer of 2016 when investigators learned that a Trump campaign foreign policy aide, George Papadopoulos, had been importuned by Russian intelligence operatives in London. They offered him "dirt" on Hillary Clinton and "off-the-record" meetings with Russian officials."

Per the NYTimes today - that was actually an FBI person who approached him. Woops. So the reason for the investigation was the FBI's own actions which justified everything else. Was this contact with Papadopoulos used as evidence for the warrant?

"In the filing, investigators cited a number of reasons they believed it, including the FBI's past experience in dealing with Page — who had been targeted for recruitment by Russia's foreign intelligence service — and then-new reports the FBI was getting from a former British intelligence officer, Christopher Steele."

So a likely FBI agent tried to target him and the Steele dossier.

And again....if you can read......the FBI started to investigate when they were contacted by the AUSTRALIAN government about him running his mouth to an Australian diplomat in London about using hacked emails from Russia

Are you trying to tell me that the FBI shouldn't investigate credible information about a foreign government working with a presidential candidate that is known for decades to run a shady organization? That's there fucking job buddy. Sorry you don't like their methodology for investigating.
It's not "Obama's" FBI. It's ours.

Don't be a ding-a-long. It was an FBI OPP from the fit-go.

[beagleboy]

One of the NYT reporters who wrote the FBI honeypot story was asked on CNN whether honeypot "Azra Turk" worked for the FBI. His response: "I’m just going to leave it right now as a 'government investigator.' I use that wording for a reason, and I’m going to leave it at that."

Supposedly she wasn't FBI, she was CIA and it's a crime to out a CIA operative.

[VinceBordenIII]

One of the NYT reporters who wrote the FBI honeypot story was asked on CNN whether honeypot "Azra Turk" worked for the FBI. His response: "I’m just going to leave it right now as a 'government investigator.' I use that wording for a reason, and I’m going to leave it at that."

Supposedly she wasn't FBI, she was CIA and it's a crime to out a CIA operative.

I only read about the honeypot chick yesterday, then I find out an hour later she was a government agent. Not even any time for speculation.

[Stapes]

So you guys are upset that the FBI and CIA were investigating whether members of a Presidential campaign were actively being compromised by a foreign hostile government? That is exactly what their function is.

[beagleboy]

I only read about the honeypot chick yesterday, then I find out an hour later she was a government agent. Not even any time for speculation.

It had been out there. He has written a book on the subject and done interviews. The Australian he met with had never been officially named before this week. Everyone knew it and the Australians said who it was but the US Gov never said his name and Barr did in testimony this week. Supposedly, that makes his communications with the US Government open to FOIA requests now in this manner.

This is actually the supposed source of the Russia email story

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43488581

[beagleboy]

So you guys are upset that the FBI and CIA were investigating whether members of a Presidential campaign were actively being compromised by a foreign hostile government? That is exactly what their function is.

The hole point is that the people who were compromising them were actually FBI, CIA and MI6 agents to begin with.

But hey you are right. If Trump reads a secret memo that says the Democratic candidates (and their staff and possibly even the DNC itself) are being compromised by foreign assets, the FBI and CIA should certainly record their phone calls, trail them and read their emails. What could go wrong? Who wouldn't trust Trump to do the right thing right?

[Stapes]

I miss Stymie. This thread needs a hearty LULZ!!

[AnalHamster]

So you guys are upset that the FBI and CIA were investigating whether members of a Presidential campaign were actively being compromised by a foreign hostile government? That is exactly what their function is.

The hole point is that the people who were compromising them were actually FBI, CIA and MI6 agents to begin with.

But hey you are right. If Trump reads a secret memo that says the Democratic candidates (and their staff and possibly even the DNC itself) are being compromised by foreign assets, the FBI and CIA should certainly record their phone calls, trail them and read their emails. What could go wrong? Who wouldn't trust Trump to do the right thing right?

You think Misfud is also in the CIA conspiracy along with Papodopoulos and the greek foreign minister? The FBI investigation began after these clowns were compromised. Do you think the russian interference operation never happened too?

[VinceBordenIII]

So you guys are upset that the FBI and CIA were investigating whether members of a Presidential campaign were actively being compromised by a foreign hostile government? That is exactly what their function is.

It was circular. They have a fear, they go out to try to make it a reality.

But I am content to wait for the IG report. I believe our government apparatus was used to investigate and then try to de-legitimize a candidate and then elected future president.

[AnalHamster]

So you guys are upset that the FBI and CIA were investigating whether members of a Presidential campaign were actively being compromised by a foreign hostile government? That is exactly what their function is.

It was circular. They have a fear, they go out to try to make it a reality.

But I am content to wait for the IG report. I believe our government apparatus was used to investigate and then try to de-legitimize a candidate and then elected future president.

Uh huh, it was a deep state conspiracy to investigate trump campaign actual existing links to actual proven russian interference in your election, and the conspirators covered it up until after the election they wanted to affect.

Dumbest conspiracy theory ever is a high bar, but I think you have a contender there.

[VinceBordenIII]

So you guys are upset that the FBI and CIA were investigating whether members of a Presidential campaign were actively being compromised by a foreign hostile government? That is exactly what their function is.

It was circular. They have a fear, they go out to try to make it a reality.

But I am content to wait for the IG report. I believe our government apparatus was used to investigate and then try to de-legitimize a candidate and then elected future president.

Uh huh, it was a deep state conspiracy to investigate trump campaign actual existing links to actual proven russian interference in your election, and the conspirators covered it up until after the election they wanted to affect.

Dumbest conspiracy theory ever is a high bar, but I think you have a contender there.

I am content to wait for the IG report. Already we know the SC said there was no collusion.

[AnalHamster]

So you guys are upset that the FBI and CIA were investigating whether members of a Presidential campaign were actively being compromised by a foreign hostile government? That is exactly what their function is.

It was circular. They have a fear, they go out to try to make it a reality.

But I am content to wait for the IG report. I believe our government apparatus was used to investigate and then try to de-legitimize a candidate and then elected future president.

Uh huh, it was a deep state conspiracy to investigate trump campaign actual existing links to actual proven russian interference in your election, and the conspirators covered it up until after the election they wanted to affect.

Dumbest conspiracy theory ever is a high bar, but I think you have a contender there.

I am content to wait for the IG report. Already we know the SC said there was no collusion.

Actually no, the SC didn't assess collusion since that ain't a crime. The SC actually found there were repeated contacts between the trump campaign and the russkies, that the campaign knew the russkies were hacking and working to elect trump and that the campaign expected to benefit from that. The SC did in fact find collusion for anyone who knows what the word means. What the SC did not find in the form of a provable case was criminal conspiracy to assist the russians in their intelligence campaign to subvert the election.

if you believe the government intelligence apparatus was used to investigate and then try to delegitimise candidate trump, what possible explanation can you come up with for it all being hushed up until well after the election? If you evade this question I'm just gonna ask it again.

[VinceBordenIII]

No need to repeat the "collusion is not a crime" thing; we all know that. he crime is conspiracy, and there was none. The SC found no conspiracy by the Trump campaign.

if you believe the government intelligence apparatus was used to investigate and then try to delegitimise candidate trump, what possible explanation can you come up with for it all being hushed up until well after the election? If you evade this question I'm just gonna ask it again.
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Sorry, forgot this part. What I said, or meant to say, was to de-legitimize the elected future president. The deep state leans Democrat, but they are basically a bunch of people working high levels inside the beltway. The Republicans didn't want Trump, either.

[CaptQuint]

Collusion, coordination, and conspiracy are all convoluted terms, purposely or otherwise. Wildly inappropriate contact with foreign agents is what happened and one doesn't need a law degree or a decoder ring to understand it.

[AnalHamster]

No need to repeat the "collusion is not a crime" thing; we all know that. he crime is conspiracy, and there was none. The SC found no conspiracy by the Trump campaign.

if you believe the government intelligence apparatus was used to investigate and then try to delegitimise candidate trump, what possible explanation can you come up with for it all being hushed up until well after the election? If you evade this question I'm just gonna ask it again.
Top

Sorry, forgot this part. What I said, or meant to say, was to de-legitimize the elected future president. The deep state leans Democrat, but they are basically a bunch of people working high levels inside the beltway. The Republicans didn't want Trump, either.

So you accept your president colluded with the russian interference, and just don't care because he's in the right party. Figures.

Why would the deep staters involved in your conspiracy theory want to hush it up until after the election? You think they wanted him to get elected, then be de-legitimised by the evidence they were sitting on? And that makes some kind of sense to you?

[VinceBordenIII]

No need to repeat the "collusion is not a crime" thing; we all know that. he crime is conspiracy, and there was none. The SC found no conspiracy by the Trump campaign.

if you believe the government intelligence apparatus was used to investigate and then try to delegitimise candidate trump, what possible explanation can you come up with for it all being hushed up until well after the election? If you evade this question I'm just gonna ask it again.
Top

Sorry, forgot this part. What I said, or meant to say, was to de-legitimize the elected future president. The deep state leans Democrat, but they are basically a bunch of people working high levels inside the beltway. The Republicans didn't want Trump, either.

So you accept your president colluded with the russian interference, and just don't care because he's in the right party. Figures.

Why would the deep staters involved in your conspiracy theory want to hush it up until after the election? You think they wanted him to get elected, then be de-legitimised by the evidence they were sitting on? And that makes some kind of sense to you?

They leaked it before the election, didn’t they? I believe partly they genuinely lost their minds and thought there was a conspiracy. Their efforts since the election have been to de legitimize the president, as have been the democrats, naturally. Politics is getting more and more out of control. We’re going to see this again.

[AnalHamster]

No need to repeat the "collusion is not a crime" thing; we all know that. he crime is conspiracy, and there was none. The SC found no conspiracy by the Trump campaign.

if you believe the government intelligence apparatus was used to investigate and then try to delegitimise candidate trump, what possible explanation can you come up with for it all being hushed up until well after the election? If you evade this question I'm just gonna ask it again.
Top

Sorry, forgot this part. What I said, or meant to say, was to de-legitimize the elected future president. The deep state leans Democrat, but they are basically a bunch of people working high levels inside the beltway. The Republicans didn't want Trump, either.

So you accept your president colluded with the russian interference, and just don't care because he's in the right party. Figures.

Why would the deep staters involved in your conspiracy theory want to hush it up until after the election? You think they wanted him to get elected, then be de-legitimised by the evidence they were sitting on? And that makes some kind of sense to you?

They leaked it before the election, didn’t they? I believe partly they genuinely lost their minds and thought there was a conspiracy. Their efforts since the election have been to de legitimize the president, as have been the democrats, naturally. Politics is getting more and more out of control. We’re going to see this again.

No, they did not. The public side of the trump russia scandal began after the election. It was not leaked despite a wide ranging counterintelligence operation being in full swing.

There was in fact a conspiracy, Russia did in fact interfere with your election in an intelligence operation. The only remaining question was how far the trump campaign was involved. They colluded with the russian interference but their collusion did not rise to the level of criminal conspiracy in actively assisting in the illegal acts like hacking. They just worked with the results, which you appear to be fine with.

[VinceBordenIII]

No need to repeat the "collusion is not a crime" thing; we all know that. he crime is conspiracy, and there was none. The SC found no conspiracy by the Trump campaign.

if you believe the government intelligence apparatus was used to investigate and then try to delegitimise candidate trump, what possible explanation can you come up with for it all being hushed up until well after the election? If you evade this question I'm just gonna ask it again.
Top

Sorry, forgot this part. What I said, or meant to say, was to de-legitimize the elected future president. The deep state leans Democrat, but they are basically a bunch of people working high levels inside the beltway. The Republicans didn't want Trump, either.

So you accept your president colluded with the russian interference, and just don't care because he's in the right party. Figures.

Why would the deep staters involved in your conspiracy theory want to hush it up until after the election? You think they wanted him to get elected, then be de-legitimised by the evidence they were sitting on? And that makes some kind of sense to you?

They leaked it before the election, didn’t they? I believe partly they genuinely lost their minds and thought there was a conspiracy. Their efforts since the election have been to de legitimize the president, as have been the democrats, naturally. Politics is getting more and more out of control. We’re going to see this again.

No, they did not. The public side of the trump russia scandal began after the election. It was not leaked despite a wide ranging counterintelligence operation being in full swing.

There was in fact a conspiracy, Russia did in fact interfere with your election in an intelligence operation. The only remaining question was how far the trump campaign was involved. They colluded with the russian interference but their collusion did not rise to the level of criminal conspiracy in actively assisting in the illegal acts like hacking. They just worked with the results, which you appear to be fine with.

Sorry, no conspiracy that team trump was a part of. That’s what the report says.

[AnalHamster]

No need to repeat the "collusion is not a crime" thing; we all know that. he crime is conspiracy, and there was none. The SC found no conspiracy by the Trump campaign.

if you believe the government intelligence apparatus was used to investigate and then try to delegitimise candidate trump, what possible explanation can you come up with for it all being hushed up until well after the election? If you evade this question I'm just gonna ask it again.
Top

Sorry, forgot this part. What I said, or meant to say, was to de-legitimize the elected future president. The deep state leans Democrat, but they are basically a bunch of people working high levels inside the beltway. The Republicans didn't want Trump, either.

So you accept your president colluded with the russian interference, and just don't care because he's in the right party. Figures.

Why would the deep staters involved in your conspiracy theory want to hush it up until after the election? You think they wanted him to get elected, then be de-legitimised by the evidence they were sitting on? And that makes some kind of sense to you?

They leaked it before the election, didn’t they? I believe partly they genuinely lost their minds and thought there was a conspiracy. Their efforts since the election have been to de legitimize the president, as have been the democrats, naturally. Politics is getting more and more out of control. We’re going to see this again.

No, they did not. The public side of the trump russia scandal began after the election. It was not leaked despite a wide ranging counterintelligence operation being in full swing.

There was in fact a conspiracy, Russia did in fact interfere with your election in an intelligence operation. The only remaining question was how far the trump campaign was involved. They colluded with the russian interference but their collusion did not rise to the level of criminal conspiracy in actively assisting in the illegal acts like hacking. They just worked with the results, which you appear to be fine with.

Sorry, no conspiracy that team trump was a part of. That’s what the report says.

Yes, just collusion with the russian intelligence campaign to interfere in your election which they were aware of and expected to benefit from. Which you're fine with.

So why did your deep state conspiracy, that was unfairly targeting a political enemy despite there actually being something requiring investigation, then cover it all up until after the election? Doesn't make sense does it if you actually try to think about it. First the investigation was legitimate and necessary since they were working with the russians and the russians were interfering in the election, and second the supposed conspirators kept it all hushed up. That fits a careful and responsible investigation which was trying to preserve the integrity of the election by not revealing then unproven suspicions, it does not fit a groundless conspiracy investigation aimed at hurting the trump campaign.

[VinceBordenIII]

You can write until the cows come home, but the SC, after 2 years, found that Team Trump was not involved in a conspiracy. It's sad that you can't accept that. It makes me sad.
A single tear.

[AnalHamster]

You can write until the cows come home, but the SC, after 2 years, found that Team Trump was not involved in a conspiracy. It's sad that you can't accept that. It makes me sad.
A single tear.

I just did in the post you avoided replying to. The SC found collusion but no criminal conspiracy. If you're happy that your president had an election campaign that colluded with the enemy, but wasn't part of a criminal conspiracy with that enemy's criminal acts, that's sad because you're putting party politics above your country.


Anyhoo, so why did your deep state conspiracy, that was unfairly targeting a political enemy despite there actually being something requiring investigation, then cover it all up until after the election? Doesn't make sense does it if you actually try to think about it. First the investigation was legitimate and necessary since they were working with the russians and the russians were interfering in the election, and second the supposed conspirators kept it all hushed up. That fits a careful and responsible investigation which was trying to preserve the integrity of the election by not revealing then unproven suspicions, it does not fit a groundless conspiracy investigation aimed at hurting the trump campaign.

Try to think about why you can't answer that.

[VinceBordenIII]

You can write until the cows come home, but the SC, after 2 years, found that Team Trump was not involved in a conspiracy. It's sad that you can't accept that. It makes me sad.
A single tear.

I just did in the post you avoided replying to. The SC found collusion but no criminal conspiracy. If you're happy that your president had an election campaign that colluded with the enemy, but wasn't part of a criminal conspiracy with that enemy's criminal acts, that's sad because you're putting party politics above your country.


Anyhoo, so why did your deep state conspiracy, that was unfairly targeting a political enemy despite there actually being something requiring investigation, then cover it all up until after the election? Doesn't make sense does it if you actually try to think about it. First the investigation was legitimate and necessary since they were working with the russians and the russians were interfering in the election, and second the supposed conspirators kept it all hushed up. That fits a careful and responsible investigation which was trying to preserve the integrity of the election by not revealing then unproven suspicions, it does not fit a groundless conspiracy investigation aimed at hurting the trump campaign.

Try to think about why you can't answer that.

You don't set my agenda I don't even read everything you write.
You can't let go of the idea that Trump conspired (sorry, we're back to colluded) with the Russians. That's fine. But the report is on my side.

[AnalHamster]

You can write until the cows come home, but the SC, after 2 years, found that Team Trump was not involved in a conspiracy. It's sad that you can't accept that. It makes me sad.
A single tear.

I just did in the post you avoided replying to. The SC found collusion but no criminal conspiracy. If you're happy that your president had an election campaign that colluded with the enemy, but wasn't part of a criminal conspiracy with that enemy's criminal acts, that's sad because you're putting party politics above your country.


Anyhoo, so why did your deep state conspiracy, that was unfairly targeting a political enemy despite there actually being something requiring investigation, then cover it all up until after the election? Doesn't make sense does it if you actually try to think about it. First the investigation was legitimate and necessary since they were working with the russians and the russians were interfering in the election, and second the supposed conspirators kept it all hushed up. That fits a careful and responsible investigation which was trying to preserve the integrity of the election by not revealing then unproven suspicions, it does not fit a groundless conspiracy investigation aimed at hurting the trump campaign.

Try to think about why you can't answer that.

You don't set my agenda I don't even read everything you write.
You can't let go of the idea that Trump conspired (sorry, we're back to colluded) with the Russians. That's fine. But the report is on my side.

Yes, since your side is the side of cheering your President's election campaign colluding with Russian interference in your election, the report is indeed on your side. Well done you I guess?


Anyhoo, so why did your deep state conspiracy, that was unfairly targeting a political enemy despite there actually being something requiring investigation, then cover it all up until after the election? Doesn't make sense does it if you actually try to think about it. First the investigation was legitimate and necessary since they were working with the russians and the russians were interfering in the election, and second the supposed conspirators kept it all hushed up. That fits a careful and responsible investigation which was trying to preserve the integrity of the election by not revealing then unproven suspicions, it does not fit a groundless conspiracy investigation aimed at hurting the trump campaign.

Try to think about why you can't answer that.

[VinceBordenIII]

The FBI sent an investigator to meet Papadopolous, a guy currently in prison for lying to the FBI about what he was doing, which was trying to establish back door channels with the Russians. Since we now know the Russians were actively working to subvert your election and Papadopolous was trying to help them, what possible reason can you deluded trump cucks come up with for objecting to the FBI investigating it? Insane.

Yep, we all know LEO can never use an undercover officer. Amirite? Someone should inform Sonny Barger.

And wasn't the Steele Dossier financed by a conservative group for several months before Clinton ever contracted with Fusion?

If I recall, Steele was not contracted until after the Republicans dropped the issue.