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Re: Oh, it's just those silly Texans again.
i guess you could argue that since they were debating back and forth from January to June of 2009 about Al Franken, that the super majority was not over a year. but it certainly wasn't 72 calendar days.
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It ended when a Dem senator became incapacitated, a new senate seat was created, and Ted Kennedy died in August.Animal wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 10:24 pmThe Super majority ended on February 4, 2010 when Scott Brown was elected. If you think that's wrong, then tell me when it ended.Reservoir Dog wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 10:20 pmNo. The Senate was in session for a total of 191 days that year.Animal wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 10:12 pm72 working days while the Senate was in session. Which was actually over a year. It ended in February 2010.Reservoir Dog wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 10:03 pmThey had a supermajority for 72 days, Forrest.
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Fact remains, they did nothing. Not a thing when they had a golden opp to do so
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The problem is not that there is evil in the world, the problem is that there is good. Because otherwise, who would care?
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wow, you are really trying too hard.Reservoir Dog wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 10:35 pm It ended when a Dem senator became incapacitated, a new senate seat was created, and Ted Kennedy died in August.
February 4, 2010: Republican Scott Brown's election to the Senate ended the Democratic super-majority. That was the seat that kennedy had when he died that wasn't filled until February 2010.
and a new senate seat wasn't created. a new senate delegate (non voting) was created for the Mariana Islands. You are simply wrong here and you should admit it.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/111th_Uni ... s_CongressAnimal wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 1:36 amwow, you are really trying too hard.Reservoir Dog wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 10:35 pm It ended when a Dem senator became incapacitated, a new senate seat was created, and Ted Kennedy died in August.
February 4, 2010: Republican Scott Brown's election to the Senate ended the Democratic super-majority. That was the seat that kennedy had when he died that wasn't filled until February 2010.
and a new senate seat wasn't created. a new senate delegate (non voting) was created for the Mariana Islands. You are simply wrong here and you should admit it.
https://sandiegofreepress.org/2012/09/t ... Fr8snbMLIU
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/debunkin ... _b_1929869
https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-sho ... msna200211
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/3 ... ermajority
https://www.beaconjournal.com/story/new ... 985146007/
https://kurious.io/c/obama-supermajority/
https://www.politicususa.com/2012/10/24 ... years.html
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Re: Oh, it's just those silly Texans again.
Rick loves dying on Mt Tedious
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Damn. Good read. The Granovetterian model is a cool way to try and quantify something that seems incalculable but school shootings definitely seem to be getting easier for the "next guy" overall.B-Tender wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 5:18 pm This is an article written by Malcolm Gladwell 8 years ago about school shootings. I remember reading a different version of it in one of his books. It involves nuance, so it may be ill-fitted for some of our members.
https://www.newyorker.com/ ...
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there is nothing in there that disproves anything. Let's just use the first one you posted because its simple and not a one sided slant to the facts.Reservoir Dog wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 2:22 amhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/111th_Uni ... s_CongressAnimal wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 1:36 amwow, you are really trying too hard.Reservoir Dog wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 10:35 pm It ended when a Dem senator became incapacitated, a new senate seat was created, and Ted Kennedy died in August.
February 4, 2010: Republican Scott Brown's election to the Senate ended the Democratic super-majority. That was the seat that kennedy had when he died that wasn't filled until February 2010.
and a new senate seat wasn't created. a new senate delegate (non voting) was created for the Mariana Islands. You are simply wrong here and you should admit it.
https://sandiegofreepress.org/2012/09/t ... Fr8snbMLIU
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/debunkin ... _b_1929869
https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-sho ... msna200211
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/3 ... ermajority
https://www.beaconjournal.com/story/new ... 985146007/
https://kurious.io/c/obama-supermajority/
https://www.politicususa.com/2012/10/24 ... years.html
This is your link from above:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/111th_Uni ... s_Congress
And these are screen shots from your link:
The argument here isn't how they wasted their use of that time, its whether the time existed in the first place. which it did.
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Re: Oh, it's just those silly Texans again.
What a useful argument, while people continue to be killed on a daily basis.Animal wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 1:57 pmthere is nothing in there that disproves anything. Let's just use the first one you posted because its simple and not a one sided slant to the facts.Reservoir Dog wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 2:22 amhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/111th_Uni ... s_CongressAnimal wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 1:36 amwow, you are really trying too hard.Reservoir Dog wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 10:35 pm It ended when a Dem senator became incapacitated, a new senate seat was created, and Ted Kennedy died in August.
February 4, 2010: Republican Scott Brown's election to the Senate ended the Democratic super-majority. That was the seat that kennedy had when he died that wasn't filled until February 2010.
and a new senate seat wasn't created. a new senate delegate (non voting) was created for the Mariana Islands. You are simply wrong here and you should admit it.
https://sandiegofreepress.org/2012/09/t ... Fr8snbMLIU
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/debunkin ... _b_1929869
https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-sho ... msna200211
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/3 ... ermajority
https://www.beaconjournal.com/story/new ... 985146007/
https://kurious.io/c/obama-supermajority/
https://www.politicususa.com/2012/10/24 ... years.html
This is your link from above:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/111th_Uni ... s_Congress
And these are screen shots from your link:
The argument here isn't how they wasted their use of that time, its whether the time existed in the first place. which it did.
The problem is not that there is evil in the world, the problem is that there is good. Because otherwise, who would care?
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Re: Oh, it's just those silly Texans again.
Yes, it existed. I've already said that. (try paying attention)
The Dems didn't have a Supermajority when Obama took office. The Dems didn't have 60 seats until Franken was seated in July 2009. But even then, there were 2 Dems who were busy dying, so the Dems had 60 seats but only 58 votes. It was a Supermajority in name only.
After Kennedy died his seat was taken by Kirk so the Dems had 60 seats but only 59 votes. Again, a Supermajority in name only.
Robert Byrd died. (Dem)
The "Supermajority" was lost when Brown was seated in Jan.2010.
The Dems had a Supermajority for 72 Senate working days out of 191 days the Senate was in session. Not a year and a half. Not 2 years. 72 days.
Here's the timeline:
In January 2009, there were 56 Senate Democrats and two independents who caucused with Democrats. This combined total of 58 included Sen. Ted Kennedy (D-Mass.), whose health was failing and was unable to serve. As a practical matter, in the early months of Obama's presidency, the Senate Democratic caucus had 57 members on the floor for day-to-day legislating.
In April 2009, Pennsylvania's Arlen Specter switched parties. This meant there were 57 Democrats, and two independents who caucused with Democrats, for a caucus of 59. But with Kennedy ailing, there were still "only" 58 Democratic caucus members in the chamber.
In May 2009, Sen. Robert Byrd (D-W.Va.) was hospitalized, bringing the number of Senate Dems in the chamber down to 57.
In July 2009, Sen. Al Franken (D-Minn.) was finally seated after a lengthy recount/legal fight. At that point, the Democratic caucus reached 60, but two of its members, Kennedy and Byrd, were unavailable for votes.
In August 2009, Kennedy died, and Democratic caucus again stood at 59.
In September 2009, Sen. Paul Kirk (D-Mass.) filled Kennedy's vacancy, bringing the caucus back to 60, though Byrd's health continued to deteriorate.
In January 2010, Sen. Scott Brown (R-Mass.) replaced Kirk, bringing the Democratic caucus back to 59 again.
In June 2010, Byrd died, and the Democratic caucus fell to 58, where it stood until the midterms.
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Re: Oh, it's just those silly Texans again.
72 days.
I'm sure that was plenty of time to orchestrate quality gun control.
I'm sure that was plenty of time to orchestrate quality gun control.
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Re: Oh, it's just those silly Texans again.
Except during the first of the Obama Admin
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I'm sure it has. Do you think a re-boot of gun control laws were a priority over the Affordable Care Act?
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The ACA made me a boatload of money, so I'm not the person to ask. But there were 60 Dem senators with an army of staffers that couldve taken the framework from the 1994 act and put it in the committee in less than 48 hours. They didnt. Own it
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Own your pro massacre stance first.Biker wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 7:27 pmThe ACA made me a boatload of money, so I'm not the person to ask. But there were 60 Dem senators with an army of staffers that couldve taken the framework from the 1994 act and put it in the committee in less than 48 hours. They didnt. Own it
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The Republicans filibustered 40+ times during Obama's first year in office.Biker wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 6:49 pmExcept during the first of the Obama Admin
Keep trying, Forrest.
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They were filibuster proof for at least 72 days under your own admission. Keep swinging, RickReservoir Dog wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 9:54 pmThe Republicans filibustered 40+ times during Obama's first year in office.Biker wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 6:49 pmExcept during the first of the Obama Admin
Keep trying, Forrest.
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The Republicans blocked the Dems attempt to extend the ban on assault weapons.Biker wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 10:17 pmThey were filibuster proof for at least 72 days under your own admission. Keep swinging, RickReservoir Dog wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 9:54 pmThe Republicans filibustered 40+ times during Obama's first year in office.Biker wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 6:49 pmExcept during the first of the Obama Admin
Keep trying, Forrest.
Go look it up, Forrest.
Gawd... I don't even know why I bother talking to you. You're a fucking moronic idiot.