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i think you are trying a bit too hard with this

I don't think so. Don't forget, you guys made a big deal about Hussein Obama.

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i think you are trying a bit too hard with this

I don't think so. Don't forget, you guys made a big deal about Hussein Obama.

that's some solid logic. way to take the high road.

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that's some solid logic. way to take the high road.

I'm sorry, but is holding your own candidates to the same ridiculous standards you had in the past suddenly off limits? Ask yourself, why would you not have taken the high road, if that's what you're calling it, previously?

The talking points must have went out. I'm seeing a lot of Trump = Hitler stuff.

In the interest of intellectual honesty:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... s-hitlers/

How Trump’s rhetoric compares with Hitler’s

Donald Trump has long toyed with the language of famous autocrats, authoritarians and fascists. Think: “enemy of the people,” “retribution” and the frequent, years-long allusions to political violence.

But even by his standards, the former president is now mining darker territory — with overtones of some of the ugliest episodes in recent world history.

The Washington Post this weekend summarized Trump’s Veterans Day speech in a headline thusly: “Trump calls political enemies ‘vermin,’ echoing dictators Hitler, Mussolini.”

Trump not only likened his political opponents to “vermin” but suggested they represent a “threat from within” that is more dangerous than threats from beyond our borders. Both are themes seized upon by strongmen to foment populist movements.

Trump’s campaign responded by seemingly taking issue with the “ridiculous” framing. But in the same breath, it also promised that Trump’s “snowflake” critics’ “entire existence will be crushed when President Trump returns to the White House.” (It later sought to amend that to “sad, miserable existence.”)

As that response indicates, the campaign is not exactly apologizing for this type of rhetoric, which is, at the very least and to be quite charitable, a calculated attempt at provocation. And after years of this kind of rhetoric and events like Jan. 6, you could certainly forgive people for worrying that it’s more than that.

“The language is the language that dictators use to instill fear,” Timothy Naftali, a senior research scholar at Columbia University’s School of International and Public Affairs, told The Post. “When you dehumanize an opponent, you strip them of their constitutional rights to participate securely in a democracy because you’re saying they’re not human. That’s what dictators do.”

[ The deepening radicalization of Donald J. Trump ]

Just how similar is Trump’s language to the actual words of those figures? Let’s examine how his recent comments compare with Adolf Hitler’s.

‘Vermin’

Trump said Saturday: “We pledge to you that we will root out the communists, Marxists, fascists and the radical left thugs that live like vermin within the confines of our country, that lie and steal and cheat on elections.”

As The Post’s story noted, likening one’s political opponents and certain elements within the country to vermin and beasts was a tactic employed by Hitler.

Hitler used the construct to justify the extermination of Jews and to attack Marxists, while Trump has used it more broadly to suggest that his opponents are subhuman.

“Should I not also have the right to eliminate millions of an inferior race that multiplies like vermin?” Hitler said, according to Joachim C. Fest’s biography.

“The rats that poison our body-politic gnaw from the hearts and memories of the broad masses even that little which distress and misery have left,” Hitler wrote in “Mein Kampf,” according a translation published by Project Gutenberg.

A 1939 report from a French official recalls Hitler and a Nazi official pressing the idea that “this vermin must be destroyed. The Jews are our sworn enemies.”

As Hitler historian Max Domarus recalled in his book “The Essential Hitler”:

Hitler’s argument for this monstrous crime was quite simple: Jews, like Russians, were not human. They were “animals and beasts.” If valuable men had to die each day at the front, then it was really of no consequence if such vermin like the Jews were killed. They were no different from “tuberculosis bacilli.” If such “innocent natural creatures as rabbits and deer” had to die, then why should “the beasts, who want to bring us Bolshevism, be spared?”

Marxists, ‘root out’

The idea that the German government was being haplessly overtaken by Marxists and those who must be rooted out — as Trump has suggested is happening in the United States — also coursed through Hitler’s commentary.

“The German State is intensely overrun by Marxism,” Hitler wrote in “Mein Kampf.”

He added at another point: “But there is one thing [Germany’s leaders] have not known how to do, and that is how to save the German people from falling into the arms of Marxism. In that they have shown themselves most pitiably and miserably impotent.”

And at another: “What must be said of those State officials, chiefs of police, and even cabinet ministers, who showed a scandalous lack of principle in presenting themselves externally to the public as ‘national’ and yet shamelessly acted as the henchmen of the Marxists in the disputes which we, National Socialists, had with the latter.”

And another: “We must overthrow Marxism, so that for the future National Socialism will be master of the street, just as it will one day become master of the State.”

Hitler also wrote about rooting out such forces.

“We must first root out the causes which led to our collapse and we must eliminate all those who are profiting by that collapse,” he wrote.

At one point, like Trump, he even mentioned rooting out such forces while labeling them “vermin.”

“It ought to have been the duty of any Government which had the care of the people in its keeping, to take this opportunity of mercilessly rooting out everything that was opposed to the national spirit,” he wrote in “Mein Kampf.” “While the flower of the nation’s manhood was dying at the front, there was time enough at home at least to exterminate this vermin.”

‘Threat from within’

“The threat from outside forces is far less sinister, dangerous and grave than the threat from within,” Trump said Saturday. “Our threat is from within.”

This was also a theme often promoted by Hitler.

“But we can see already how our racial peoples which are today still hostile to us will one day recognize the greater inner enemy,” Hitler said in a January 1941 speech in Berlin, according to the Jewish Virtual Library.

“For never in our history have we been conquered by the strength of our outside enemies but only through our own failings and the enemy in our own camp,” he wrote in “Mein Kampf.”

“Had they really believed in what they did, they ought to have recognized that the strength of a nation lies, first of all, not in its arms but in its will, and that before conquering the external enemy the enemy at home would have to be eliminated,” he also wrote.

Politicians often liken their political opponents to some version of an enemy or diminish them. Hillary Clinton talked about many Trump supporters being “deplorables.” President Biden has decried MAGA extremists and accused them of “semi-fascism.” Where Trump takes things to another level is in also dehumanizing people and suggesting that these “sinister” internal forces present the greatest threat to our country.

‘Poisoning’ the ‘blood of our country’

Trump turned heads last month by upping his anti-immigrant rhetoric in a way that the New York Times likened to Hitler’s rhetoric.

“It is a very sad thing for our country,” Trump said. “It’s poisoning the blood of our country. It’s so bad, and people are coming in with disease. People are coming in with every possible thing that you could have.”

Trump added during an Iowa rally: “It’s the blood of our country; what they’re doing is destroying our country.”

Hitler in “Mein Kampf,” employing a more explicit construct, repeatedly cited the danger of German blood being poisoned by Jews and warned more broadly of how such a thing endangers a nation.

“All the great civilizations of the past became decadent because the originally creative race died out, as a result of contamination of the blood,” he wrote.

“And so this poison was allowed to enter the national bloodstream and infect public life without the Government taking any effectual measures to master the course of the disease,” he added.

“He poisons the blood of others but preserves his own blood unadulterated,” Hitler wrote of the Jews.

“It seemed as if some all-pervading poisonous fluid had been injected by some mysterious hand into the bloodstream of this once heroic body,” he added.

Hitler even referred to the idea that Teutonic people in North America had been succeeding because they hadn’t allowed their blood to be poisoned.

“But in North America the Teutonic element, which has kept its racial stock pure and did not mix it with any other racial stock, has come to dominate the American Continent and will remain master of it as long as that element does not fall a victim to the habit of adulterating its blood.”

The full content of Trump’s comments is, of course, different from Hitler’s. Hitler was explicit about the very ugly supposed remedies. Trump paints a picture of a nonspecific boogeyman, rather than something requiring explicit action to take out a class of people. It’s less of a direct call to arms. And Trump seems to qualify his comments about “poisoning” the “blood” by pointing to drugs and supposed disease, rather than heritage.

But the language is clearly similar. And it’s certainly of a piece with Trump’s movement toward a more authoritarian second term.

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So her given middle name is not a "real" name?
Her married name is not her "real" name?
Jeezus dude, this is petty even for you.

My nephew goes by his middle name and my mom goes by her married name.
HOLY SHIT I WONDER WHAT THEY'RE HIDING!

Those arent their "real names" according to Salty!

Seems to be some confusion between legal name and real name. Myself I go buy a shortened version of my middle name. Except when I’m signing a legal document.

Salty's whole point, and we've seen it from other Dims on this site in the past, is that the implication is that she is trying to mislead, fake or hide something. Nikki is her given, real, legal, whatever you want to call it, middle name.

Do you think she'd be as successful using her given name during her political career? How about Ted Cruz?

What is it about GOP people being ashamed of their birth names?

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Do you think she somehow magically won her states governorship not once but twice while simultaneously keeping the fact that she's Indian hidden the entire time when there are people like you who want nothing more than to highlight it? Go take your racism somewhere else.

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Do you think she somehow magically won her states governorship not once but twice while simultaneously keeping the fact that she's Indian hidden the entire time when there are people like you who want nothing more than to highlight it? Go take your racism somewhere else.

Again, from the party of HUSSEIN Obama. Being non-white isn't a problem to our side, that's your side's territory.

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Do you think she somehow magically won her states governorship not once but twice while simultaneously keeping the fact that she's Indian hidden the entire time when there are people like you who want nothing more than to highlight it? Go take your racism somewhere else.

Again, from the party of HUSSEIN Obama. Being non-white isn't a problem to our side, that's your side's territory.

It was so much of a problem they elected her twice!

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that's some solid logic. way to take the high road.

I'm sorry, but is holding your own candidates to the same ridiculous standards you had in the past suddenly off limits? Ask yourself, why would you not have taken the high road, if that's what you're calling it, previously?

The talking points must have went out. I'm seeing a lot of Trump = Hitler stuff.

In the interest of intellectual honesty:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... s-hitlers/

How Trump’s rhetoric compares with Hitler’s

Donald Trump has long toyed with the language of famous autocrats, authoritarians and fascists. Think: “enemy of the people,” “retribution” and the frequent, years-long allusions to political violence.

But even by his standards, the former president is now mining darker territory — with overtones of some of the ugliest episodes in recent world history.

The Washington Post this weekend summarized Trump’s Veterans Day speech in a headline thusly: “Trump calls political enemies ‘vermin,’ echoing dictators Hitler, Mussolini.”

Trump not only likened his political opponents to “vermin” but suggested they represent a “threat from within” that is more dangerous than threats from beyond our borders. Both are themes seized upon by strongmen to foment populist movements.

Trump’s campaign responded by seemingly taking issue with the “ridiculous” framing. But in the same breath, it also promised that Trump’s “snowflake” critics’ “entire existence will be crushed when President Trump returns to the White House.” (It later sought to amend that to “sad, miserable existence.”)

As that response indicates, the campaign is not exactly apologizing for this type of rhetoric, which is, at the very least and to be quite charitable, a calculated attempt at provocation. And after years of this kind of rhetoric and events like Jan. 6, you could certainly forgive people for worrying that it’s more than that.

“The language is the language that dictators use to instill fear,” Timothy Naftali, a senior research scholar at Columbia University’s School of International and Public Affairs, told The Post. “When you dehumanize an opponent, you strip them of their constitutional rights to participate securely in a democracy because you’re saying they’re not human. That’s what dictators do.”

[ The deepening radicalization of Donald J. Trump ]

Just how similar is Trump’s language to the actual words of those figures? Let’s examine how his recent comments compare with Adolf Hitler’s.

‘Vermin’

Trump said Saturday: “We pledge to you that we will root out the communists, Marxists, fascists and the radical left thugs that live like vermin within the confines of our country, that lie and steal and cheat on elections.”

As The Post’s story noted, likening one’s political opponents and certain elements within the country to vermin and beasts was a tactic employed by Hitler.

Hitler used the construct to justify the extermination of Jews and to attack Marxists, while Trump has used it more broadly to suggest that his opponents are subhuman.

“Should I not also have the right to eliminate millions of an inferior race that multiplies like vermin?” Hitler said, according to Joachim C. Fest’s biography.

“The rats that poison our body-politic gnaw from the hearts and memories of the broad masses even that little which distress and misery have left,” Hitler wrote in “Mein Kampf,” according a translation published by Project Gutenberg.

A 1939 report from a French official recalls Hitler and a Nazi official pressing the idea that “this vermin must be destroyed. The Jews are our sworn enemies.”

As Hitler historian Max Domarus recalled in his book “The Essential Hitler”:

Hitler’s argument for this monstrous crime was quite simple: Jews, like Russians, were not human. They were “animals and beasts.” If valuable men had to die each day at the front, then it was really of no consequence if such vermin like the Jews were killed. They were no different from “tuberculosis bacilli.” If such “innocent natural creatures as rabbits and deer” had to die, then why should “the beasts, who want to bring us Bolshevism, be spared?”

Marxists, ‘root out’

The idea that the German government was being haplessly overtaken by Marxists and those who must be rooted out — as Trump has suggested is happening in the United States — also coursed through Hitler’s commentary.

“The German State is intensely overrun by Marxism,” Hitler wrote in “Mein Kampf.”

He added at another point: “But there is one thing [Germany’s leaders] have not known how to do, and that is how to save the German people from falling into the arms of Marxism. In that they have shown themselves most pitiably and miserably impotent.”

And at another: “What must be said of those State officials, chiefs of police, and even cabinet ministers, who showed a scandalous lack of principle in presenting themselves externally to the public as ‘national’ and yet shamelessly acted as the henchmen of the Marxists in the disputes which we, National Socialists, had with the latter.”

And another: “We must overthrow Marxism, so that for the future National Socialism will be master of the street, just as it will one day become master of the State.”

Hitler also wrote about rooting out such forces.

“We must first root out the causes which led to our collapse and we must eliminate all those who are profiting by that collapse,” he wrote.

At one point, like Trump, he even mentioned rooting out such forces while labeling them “vermin.”

“It ought to have been the duty of any Government which had the care of the people in its keeping, to take this opportunity of mercilessly rooting out everything that was opposed to the national spirit,” he wrote in “Mein Kampf.” “While the flower of the nation’s manhood was dying at the front, there was time enough at home at least to exterminate this vermin.”

‘Threat from within’

“The threat from outside forces is far less sinister, dangerous and grave than the threat from within,” Trump said Saturday. “Our threat is from within.”

This was also a theme often promoted by Hitler.

“But we can see already how our racial peoples which are today still hostile to us will one day recognize the greater inner enemy,” Hitler said in a January 1941 speech in Berlin, according to the Jewish Virtual Library.

“For never in our history have we been conquered by the strength of our outside enemies but only through our own failings and the enemy in our own camp,” he wrote in “Mein Kampf.”

“Had they really believed in what they did, they ought to have recognized that the strength of a nation lies, first of all, not in its arms but in its will, and that before conquering the external enemy the enemy at home would have to be eliminated,” he also wrote.

Politicians often liken their political opponents to some version of an enemy or diminish them. Hillary Clinton talked about many Trump supporters being “deplorables.” President Biden has decried MAGA extremists and accused them of “semi-fascism.” Where Trump takes things to another level is in also dehumanizing people and suggesting that these “sinister” internal forces present the greatest threat to our country.

‘Poisoning’ the ‘blood of our country’

Trump turned heads last month by upping his anti-immigrant rhetoric in a way that the New York Times likened to Hitler’s rhetoric.

“It is a very sad thing for our country,” Trump said. “It’s poisoning the blood of our country. It’s so bad, and people are coming in with disease. People are coming in with every possible thing that you could have.”

Trump added during an Iowa rally: “It’s the blood of our country; what they’re doing is destroying our country.”

Hitler in “Mein Kampf,” employing a more explicit construct, repeatedly cited the danger of German blood being poisoned by Jews and warned more broadly of how such a thing endangers a nation.

“All the great civilizations of the past became decadent because the originally creative race died out, as a result of contamination of the blood,” he wrote.

“And so this poison was allowed to enter the national bloodstream and infect public life without the Government taking any effectual measures to master the course of the disease,” he added.

“He poisons the blood of others but preserves his own blood unadulterated,” Hitler wrote of the Jews.

“It seemed as if some all-pervading poisonous fluid had been injected by some mysterious hand into the bloodstream of this once heroic body,” he added.

Hitler even referred to the idea that Teutonic people in North America had been succeeding because they hadn’t allowed their blood to be poisoned.

“But in North America the Teutonic element, which has kept its racial stock pure and did not mix it with any other racial stock, has come to dominate the American Continent and will remain master of it as long as that element does not fall a victim to the habit of adulterating its blood.”

The full content of Trump’s comments is, of course, different from Hitler’s. Hitler was explicit about the very ugly supposed remedies. Trump paints a picture of a nonspecific boogeyman, rather than something requiring explicit action to take out a class of people. It’s less of a direct call to arms. And Trump seems to qualify his comments about “poisoning” the “blood” by pointing to drugs and supposed disease, rather than heritage.

But the language is clearly similar. And it’s certainly of a piece with Trump’s movement toward a more authoritarian second term.

I suppose he'll be calling for the elimination of all the Jews next. Oh wait, half of your side is in agreement with the people who are already doing that. Sounds like a perfect match! Time for you guys to get on that Trump Train!

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It was so much of a problem they elected her twice!

Oh, did the whole nation vote for her? Intellectual honesty, bud.

I suppose he'll be calling for the elimination of all the Jews next. Oh wait, half of your side is in agreement with the people who are already doing that. Sounds like a perfect match! Time for you guys to get on that Trump Train!

Given how many posts you've been doing without your claimed intellectual honesty, I think it's time we bring back the proven disingenuous hack label for you. Gave you the benefit of the doubt, but it's pretty clear you are not what you claim to be.

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It was so much of a problem they elected her twice!

Oh, did the whole nation vote for her? Intellectual honesty, bud.

I suppose he'll be calling for the elimination of all the Jews next. Oh wait, half of your side is in agreement with the people who are already doing that. Sounds like a perfect match! Time for you guys to get on that Trump Train!

Given how many posts you've been doing without your claimed intellectual honesty, I think it's time we bring back the proven disingenuous hack label for you. Gave you the benefit of the doubt, but it's pretty clear you are not what you claim to be.

Did I say the whole nation? Youre just mad her elections disprove your racist assertions.

Are you going to sit here and claim that its NOT the folks on your side that are supporting Hamas? Talk about disingenuous!

Deep split erupts between Democrats on Israel-Hamas war
https://www.axios.com/2023/11/01/israel ... ocrats-bid

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Did I say the whole nation? Youre just mad her elections disprove your racist assertions.

This guy is growing on me.

When you are running for President of the United States, your words matter. So yeah, fuck her

Would SHE have to start using her real name as well?

This is what brought it up. Again, proving you have no intellectual honesty, you are ignoring the context in which it's being discussed when you yourself already acknowledged said context previously. Do better, hack.

Are you going to sit here and claim that its NOT the folks on your side that are supporting Hamas? Talk about disingenuous!

Like you sitting there and pretending Trump isn't echoing Hitler quotes and rhetoric?

The talking points must have went out. I'm seeing a lot of Trump = Hitler stuff.

So unless you're going to walk that back and say you were just agreeing with Salty ( ) in a roundabout way, you know what's next. Delusional. Disingenuous. Hack.

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Did I say the whole nation? Youre just mad her elections disprove your racist assertions.

This guy is growing on me.

When you are running for President of the United States, your words matter. So yeah, fuck her

Would SHE have to start using her real name as well?

This is what brought it up. Again, proving you have no intellectual honesty, you are ignoring the context in which it's being discussed when you yourself already acknowledged said context previously. Do better, hack.

Are you going to sit here and claim that its NOT the folks on your side that are supporting Hamas? Talk about disingenuous!

Like you sitting there and pretending Trump isn't echoing Hitler quotes and rhetoric?

The talking points must have went out. I'm seeing a lot of Trump = Hitler stuff.

So unless you're going to walk that back and say you were just agreeing with Salty ( ) in a roundabout way, you know what's next. Delusional. Disingenuous. Hack.

Holy fuck. Yes, the context was eliminating anonymous or fake accounts. So now youre going to try and claim Nikki Haley isnt her name?
Sweet baby Jeezus.
Dude, youre off the rails on this one.

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Holy fuck. Yes, the context was eliminating anonymous or fake accounts. So now youre going to try and claim Nikki Haley isnt her name?
Sweet baby Jeezus.
Dude, youre off the rails on this one.

Keep proving me right about the disingenuous, bud. National scope given how Haley came up. Name argument, Salty obviously referencing her first name being hidden from the public and you pretending that using her middle and married name dismiss his argument. Since then you've pretended that a national stage has the same audience and electorate as her statewide election and just as an honorable mention refused to see the parallels between Trump rhetoric and Hitler rhetoric. Seems if anyone is off the rails, it'd be you so if you are having a problem following along, blame yourself. Hack.

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https://www.npr.org/2023/11/16/12132612 ... tee-report

Ethics report finds Santos used campaign funds to pay for OnlyFans, Botox, Sephora

New York Republican Rep. George Santos, who represents parts of Long Island and Queens, announced today he's dropping his bid for a second term after a House ethics report blasted him for criminal activity and lying to voters.

"I will continue on my mission to serve my constituents up until I am allowed," Santos said on X, the social media site. "I will however NOT be seeking re-election for a second term in 2024 as my family deserves better than to be under the gun from the press all the time."



Santos has already admitted lying about much of his life story to voters before winning a House seat in 2022.

Two of his campaign aides pleaded guilty to felony charges linked to his campaign and Santos himself has pleaded not guilty to 23 federal felony charges. His trial is expected to begin on Long Island next year.

The new report by the House Ethics Committee says a congressional probe found evidence of "alleged violations" by Santos that go beyond crimes detailed in the Justice Department's indictments. The committee referred their report to the department.

Investigators say cash contributed to Santos's election effort wound up being spent on personal expenses, including botox treatment, purchases at Hermes and Sephora and "purchases at OnlyFans."

"[D]espite his attempts to blame others for much of the misconduct, Representative Santos was a knowing and active participant in the wrongdoing," the report states. "Particularly troubling was Representative Santos' lack of candor during the investigation itself."

Santos, who has aligned himself with far-right members of the GOP caucus, maintains he committed no crimes and has described his lies as "embellishments" and "exaggerations."

Several House members have announced plans to file resolutions to remove Santos from office later this month when Congress returns from a Thanksgiving recess. Santos has already survived two attempts to remove him from office after several Republicans said they would withold judgment until after the release of the ethics report.

The report issued on Thursday concluded that Santos:

sought to "fraudulently exploit" every aspect of his House candidacy for personal profit
allegedly stole from his campaign, deceiving donors and channeling contributions for personal use
invented fictional loans to his own campaign to trick donors and Republican committees into contributing to his election war chest

While the report is often scathing, it proposes no specific actions be taken against Santos, who has already been stripped of his committee assignments.

Rep. Mike Lawler, also a Republican freshman from New York, renewed his call on Thursday for Santos to resign immediately without finishing his first term.

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Holy fuck. Yes, the context was eliminating anonymous or fake accounts. So now youre going to try and claim Nikki Haley isnt her name?
Sweet baby Jeezus.
Dude, youre off the rails on this one.

Keep proving me right about the disingenuous, bud. National scope given how Haley came up. Name argument, Salty obviously referencing her first name being hidden from the public and you pretending that using her middle and married name dismiss his argument. Since then you've pretended that a national stage has the same audience and electorate as her statewide election and just as an honorable mention refused to see the parallels between Trump rhetoric and Hitler rhetoric. Seems if anyone is off the rails, it'd be you so if you are having a problem following along, blame yourself. Hack.

"Hidden from the public"? Dude you are fucking on crack. How EXACTLY has her name been "hidden from the public"?
Holy shit. You are absolutely pathetic.
These are my exact words in the context of our discussion about her winning two Governorship elections:

It was so much of a problem they elected her twice!

"They" obviously refers to the people voting in her state. Sorry if that was too complicated for you, homeschool.
I know it sucks for your side to compare a guy to Hitler and then half of your side also supports the group that wants to eliminate Israel and kill all the Jews.
Tough day for you chief, but if you want to die on that hill of Nikki not being her real name than go for it.

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"Hidden from the public"? Dude you are fucking on crack. How EXACTLY has her name been "hidden from the public"?
Holy shit. You are absolutely pathetic.

What name does she go by? Is it the ethnic sounding first name or the more Americanized middle name? Come on, strive for that intellectual honesty. Or prove me right, hack.

These are my exact words in the context of our discussion about her winning two Governorship elections:

It was so much of a problem they elected her twice!

"They" obviously refers to the people voting in her state. Sorry if that was too complicated for you, homeschool.

National scope given how Haley came up.

The intellectual honesty is so easily given up for you isn't it?

I know it sucks for your side to compare a guy to Hitler and then half of your side also supports the group that wants to eliminate Israel and kill all the Jews.
Tough day for you chief, but if you want to die on that hill of Nikki not being her real name than go for it.

Are you still not able to even admit the parallels from your guy quoting Hitler? He is after all talking about wiping out American citizens because he considers them "vermin." That is what you're defending, killing our own citizens. I get that it maybe doesn't hit for you because you consider yourself one of the safe ones as he doesn't mean you, because as said before, we all know conservatives don't care until it happens to them. Maybe just try to be a decent human being for once. Sad, someone claiming to be intellectually honest, but in reality is just a delusional disingenuous partisan hack.

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"Hidden from the public"? Dude you are fucking on crack. How EXACTLY has her name been "hidden from the public"?
Holy shit. You are absolutely pathetic.

What name does she go by? Is it the ethnic sounding first name or the more Americanized middle name? Come on, strive for that intellectual honesty. Or prove me right, hack.

These are my exact words in the context of our discussion about her winning two Governorship elections:

It was so much of a problem they elected her twice!

"They" obviously refers to the people voting in her state. Sorry if that was too complicated for you, homeschool.

National scope given how Haley came up.

The intellectual honesty is so easily given up for you isn't it?

I know it sucks for your side to compare a guy to Hitler and then half of your side also supports the group that wants to eliminate Israel and kill all the Jews.
Tough day for you chief, but if you want to die on that hill of Nikki not being her real name than go for it.

Are you still not able to even admit the parallels from your guy quoting Hitler? He is after all talking about wiping out American citizens because he considers them "vermin." That is what you're defending, killing our own citizens. I get that it maybe doesn't hit for you because you consider yourself one of the safe ones as he doesn't mean you, because as said before, we all know conservatives don't care until it happens to them. Maybe just try to be a decent human being for once. Sad, someone claiming to be intellectually honest, but in reality is just a delusional disingenuous partisan hack.

Absolutely pathetic. Youve already been proven wrong. The name is not hidden and never has been.
"Nikki Haley has been known by her middle name, Nikki, a Punjabi name meaning "little one", since she was born."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikki_Haley
I'm not denying any parallels regarding Trump and the speech. They are there just like the parallel is there with lots of folks that your side supports wanting to kill all the Jews and eliminate Israel. Sorry that doesnt sit well with you but it is factual and intellectually honest. That really bothers you doesnt it?
It bothers you because I am able to do it effortlessly and dont need to misrepresent things like you have done and continue to do.
Go ahead and compare Trump to Hitler- there were/are some similarities in that speech; just be intellectually honest enough to admit that there are lots of folks on your side that support the group that literally wants to kill the Jews and eliminate Israel. See? Intellectually honest. Give it a try.

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Absolutely pathetic. Youve already been proven wrong. The name is not hidden and never has been.

And maybe you'll be right once she starts introducing herself as Nimarata Haley. But she's not, and that was Salty's point. But please, continue being intellectually dishonest.

I'm not denying any parallels regarding Trump and the speech. They are there just like the parallel is there with lots of folks that your side supports wanting to kill all the Jews and eliminate Israel. Sorry that doesnt sit well with you but it is factual and intellectually honest. That really bothers you doesnt it?
It bothers you because I am able to do it effortlessly and dont need to misrepresent things like you have done and continue to do.
Go ahead and compare Trump to Hitler- there were/are some similarities in that speech; just be intellectually honest enough to admit that there are lots of folks on your side that support the group that literally wants to kill the Jews and eliminate Israel. See? Intellectually honest.

Speaking of continuing to be intellectually dishonest, feel free to find where Democrats support Hamas. I hope you're able to do that intellectually honestly, because wanting to hold Israel accountable for what it does wrong, that is not the same as supporting Hamas. Cause you know, that would be intellectually dishonest, which we both know you just hate doing. Well, unless it comes to admitting Trump did what he did, because look at how long it took to drag out from you a begrudgingly "yeah it's kinda similar" instead of saying "wow that is lifted right out of Mein Kampf." I wonder if you even remember that he kept a book of Hitler's speeches at his bedside. Or that he praised Hitler to his then Chief of Staff John Kelly. I mean, at what point do you admit to yourself that this is not a good look? Or do you have to be intellectually honest in order to do that? Hack.

[CHEEZY17]

Absolutely pathetic. Youve already been proven wrong. The name is not hidden and never has been.

And maybe you'll be right once she starts introducing herself as Nimarata Haley. But she's not, and that was Salty's point. But please, continue being intellectually dishonest.

I'm not denying any parallels regarding Trump and the speech. They are there just like the parallel is there with lots of folks that your side supports wanting to kill all the Jews and eliminate Israel. Sorry that doesnt sit well with you but it is factual and intellectually honest. That really bothers you doesnt it?
It bothers you because I am able to do it effortlessly and dont need to misrepresent things like you have done and continue to do.
Go ahead and compare Trump to Hitler- there were/are some similarities in that speech; just be intellectually honest enough to admit that there are lots of folks on your side that support the group that literally wants to kill the Jews and eliminate Israel. See? Intellectually honest.

Speaking of continuing to be intellectually dishonest, feel free to find where Democrats support Hamas. I hope you're able to do that intellectually honestly, because wanting to hold Israel accountable for what it does wrong, that is not the same as supporting Hamas. Cause you know, that would be intellectually dishonest, which we both know you just hate doing. Well, unless it comes to admitting Trump did what he did, because look at how long it took to drag out from you a begrudgingly "yeah it's kinda similar" instead of saying "wow that is lifted right out of Mein Kampf." I wonder if you even remember that he kept a book of Hitler's speeches at his bedside. Or that he praised Hitler to his then Chief of Staff John Kelly. I mean, at what point do you admit to yourself that this is not a good look? Or do you have to be intellectually honest in order to do that? Hack.

Shes gone by Nikki which is Punjabi since she was a kid. Now you want her to change 50 years later? JFC.
Nothing is hidden she's never denied it or run from it.
Here she is at her wedding

Here she is again being dishonest about who she is:

Damn you Lefties really hate a conservative brown woman. And you continue to overlook the fact that her state elected her twice knowing exactly what she is. Just admit this line of attack isnt working for you, homeschool.

Also, you didnt "drag" shit. I simply pointed out the flip side of the coin that bothers you so much. I have no problem saying there are some similarities in that speech. Because there are. See how easy it is?

[Burn1dwn]

Speaking of continuing to be intellectually dishonest, feel free to find where Democrats support Hamas. I hope you're able to do that intellectually honestly, because wanting to hold Israel accountable for what it does wrong, that is not the same as supporting Hamas.

No Dot, if you don't agree with giving Israel the green light to "defend themselves" and enact collective punishment on the Palestinians, you support Hamas and the murder of Jews. It's kind of like if you were one of the people against invading Iraq and killing innocent Iraqis in 2003. You are either with Hamas killing Jews or you with Israel's right to protect Jews at any cost. There are no alternatives.

[Burn1dwn]

Damn you Lefties really hate a conservative brown woman. And you continue to overlook the fact that her state elected her twice knowing exactly what she is. Just admit this line of attack isnt working for you, homeschool.

Ben Shapiro sure hates Candace Owens right now.

[dot]

Shes gone by Nikki which is Punjabi since she was a kid. Now you want her to change 50 years later? JFC.
Nothing is hidden she's never denied it or run from it.

And what part of that disproves what I said? What Salty said? Is she going by her first name? Because that's what Salty was referencing, and for you to continue to ignore that is just more blatant intellectual dishonesty.

Damn you Lefties really hate a conservative brown woman. And you continue to overlook the fact that her state elected her twice knowing exactly what she is. Just admit this line of attack isnt working for you, homeschool.

What exactly are we hating on her for? I mean, the most hate she's gotten these last few pages is from you guys, because she endorsed making people no longer anonymous, going so far as registering their real names, on the internet. All we've done, and really only Salty has done, is ask if she's going to go by her first name according to her own plan or not? From there, is it hating on her to point out that you guys really don't like non-white people? I mean none of these last pages worth have been criticizing her policies except for you guys. All we've asked is whether putting her ethnicity front and center is going to turn off her voter base nationally or not. But you don't want to answer that, do you? It's been the only pertinent question about Haley since that Twitter post, but you will not answer it. You'd much rather argue dishonestly over whether her real name is her first name or her middle name. It's a pointless argument that you cannot give up because answering what Salty is actually asking is too dangerous of a concept for you.

Also, you didnt "drag" shit. I simply pointed out the flip side of the coin that bothers you so much. I have no problem saying there are some similarities in that speech. Because there are. See how easy it is?

Then why did it take pages (plural) to do that? Don't forget, you at first didn't even want to admit there were similarities. Animal still hasn't, he's nope'd right on out of this discussion. So considering you did not at first admit parallels, now you're begrudgingly doing so, yeah I'd say it did have to be dragged out of you. Oh but don't worry, I know it doesn't change your mind. No, for that, you'd have to be intellectually honest. And speaking of intellectual honesty, what happened to that support for Hamas you alleged?

Disingenuous. Hack.

No Dot, if you don't agree with giving Israel the green light to "defend themselves" and enact collective punishment on the Palestinians, you support Hamas and the murder of Jews. It's kind of like if you were one of the people against invading Iraq and killing innocent Iraqis in 2003. You are either with Hamas killing Jews or you with Israel's right to protect Jews at any cost. There are no alternatives.

Watch out, Burn. I don't think Cheez digs it when you're not being intellectually honest with the rest of the class. He really hates that these days. But at least you took up his claim, to show how ridiculous it is. He couldn't even bring himself to do that.

[Burn1dwn]

Watch out, Burn. I don't think Cheez digs it when you're not being intellectually honest with the rest of the class. He really hates that these days. But at least you took up his claim, to show how ridiculous it is. He couldn't even bring himself to do that.

Americans have short memories.

[CHEEZY17]

Ah, now we see where this is coming from! Apparently since Nikki Haley has been rising in the polls the Lefties have revived their attacks on her name. Great job following the crowd guys! Too bad youre wrong.

Social posts revive false claim about Haley’s name
https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-n ... 2441389596

Stop Being a Jerk About Nikki Haley’s Name
Progressives are embarrassing themselves by attacking the GOP candidate for changing her name (she didn’t) and hiding her Indian heritage (she never has).
https://www.thedailybeast.com/stop-bein ... aleys-name

Fact check: Nikki Haley didn't 'white-wash' her name. It's Punjabi
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/fac ... 928061001/

Liberals, NAACP activists target Nikki Haley with debunked claim that she avoids 'brown-person-sounding' name
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/naacp- ... claim-name

Social posts revive false claim about Haley’s name
https://www.berkshireeagle.com/ap/factc ... 1cb62.html

Nikki Haley didn't 'white-wash' her name. She's gone by her middle name her whole life
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2 ... whole-lif/

Did Nikki Haley 'Change Her Name'?
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/nikki ... ange-name/

Fact Check: Nikki Haley Did NOT Shed Her Birth Name -- 'Nikki' And 'Haley' Have Both Been Her Legal Names
https://leadstories.com/hoax-alert/2023 ... names.html

[CHEEZY17]

Wait, is dot really accusing me of not answering a question? Holy shit! The guy that has dodged a simple question for months. JFC

I'm not a pussy or disingenuous so its easy for me to answer anything you ask. So Im going to answer your question and then you can answer mine. Unless youre going to pussy out again. Deal?

All we've asked is whether putting her ethnicity front and center is going to turn off her voter base nationally or not. But you don't want to answer that, do you? It's been the only pertinent question about Haley since that Twitter post, but you will not answer it. You'd much rather argue dishonestly over whether her real name is her first name or her middle name. It's a pointless argument that you cannot give up because answering what Salty is actually asking is too dangerous of a concept for you.

First her ethnicity is front and center as Nikki is Punjabi. She has used that cultural name, given to her by her parents, since she was a kid. Apparently the fact that shes Indian doesnt turn people off because she is rising in the polls. We have two state elections to assess her appeal and she won both of those plus national polling which shows her rising. I mean I'm not really sure what else I can say on the matter. Its her legal, given name. Its on her birth certificate. And no its not "All youve asked". Salty initially asked

"When is she going to start using her real name?"

And youve been schooled and proven wrong numerous times and as the above post proves, your attack is disingenuous and petty. Nikki is her real name. Be honest.
When you were proven wrong about that you then had to shift gears and throw more shit at the wall. Its what you do. Cant win one argument then you'll simply muddy the waters. I mean, its a solid strategy to try and save face when youve been proven wrong as thoroughly as you have.

OK, I answered yours, now its your turn to answer the question youve dodged for months:
Are the Biden Brand shell companies real and why do people create shell companies?
Now, before you go on about any other bullshit answer that question. Any other response that doesnt answer that question will be ignored.

[saltydog]

Cheezy:

Chief Nikki Haley Ballwasher