Enough evidence for SaltyDot?

[dot]

turn your calendar back 4 years and replace "Benghazi" with "Russian collusion" and "Biden" with "Trump".

Anything to justify your support for a treasonous con man.

Guilty of fraud, rape/sexual assault, defamation. Quite the standard to hold for the party of family values and personal responsibility. I also wonder if he forgot the Benghazi farce came first, or maybe just "didn't look into it too deeply."

[Animal]

turn your calendar back 4 years and replace "Benghazi" with "Russian collusion" and "Biden" with "Trump".

Anything to justify your support for a treasonous con man.

Guilty of fraud, rape/sexual assault, defamation. Quite the standard to hold for the party of family values and personal responsibility. I also wonder if he forgot the Benghazi farce came first, or maybe just "didn't look into it too deeply."

walk us through those property taxes that the State of NY is suing trump over, Mr. Going Deep. omg, that was funny.

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walk us through those property taxes that the State of NY is suing trump over, Mr. Going Deep. omg, that was funny.

Tell us again how you can forget arguing over how fraud works on this subject and then think this prosecution was only about property taxes. If only you had educated yourself beforehand, maybe you wouldn't have embarrassed yourself many times over.

[Animal]

walk us through those property taxes that the State of NY is suing trump over, Mr. Going Deep. omg, that was funny.

Tell us again how you can forget arguing over how fraud works on this subject and then think this prosecution was only about property taxes. If only you had educated yourself beforehand, maybe you wouldn't have embarrassed yourself many times over.

i wasn't the one that brought up property taxes, stupid. remember how you did that? i just called you out on it.

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i wasn't the one that brought up property taxes, stupid. remember how you did that? i just called you out on it.

But you are the one that thought that's all this was about despite getting humiliated over not being able to understand how fraud works on the same subject. So once again, don't blame me that you can't follow along and choose to stay uneducated.

[Animal]

i wasn't the one that brought up property taxes, stupid. remember how you did that? i just called you out on it.

But you are the one that thought that's all this was about despite getting humiliated over not being able to understand how fraud works on the same subject. So once again, don't blame me that you can't follow along and choose to stay uneducated.

i'm only blaming you for being an idiot and having no idea what you are talking about.

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i'm only blaming you for being an idiot and having no idea what you are talking about.

Sorry, that's your territory. All yours, bud.

[Animal]

Did you notice you were the only one who thought anyone said they were prosecuting for taxes? I've called it fraud from the beginning, property taxes are one thread of a bigger tapestry. But please, pretend you didn't put your foot in your mouth some more. Don't think we don't notice you can't admit he's already found to have committed the fraud because you can't understand.

The state is doing the prosecuting because the Trumps were cheating on taxes in connection with this fraud scheme of theirs.

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The state is doing the prosecuting because the Trumps were cheating on taxes in connection with this fraud scheme of theirs.

Sorry, that's your territory. All yours, bud.

Keep proving me right, mental midget.

[dot]

Cultist hacks feel bad.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/16/nyre ... uling.html

Trump Ordered to Pay $355 Million and Barred From New York Business

A New York judge on Friday handed Donald J. Trump a crushing defeat in his civil fraud case, finding the former president liable for conspiring to manipulate his net worth and ordering him to pay a penalty of $355 million that could wipe out his entire stockpile of cash.

The decision by Justice Arthur F. Engoron caps a chaotic, yearslong case in which New York’s attorney general put Mr. Trump’s fantastical claims of wealth on trial. With no jury, the power was in Justice Engoron’s hands alone, and he came down hard: The judge delivered a sweeping array of punishments that threatens the former president’s business empire as he simultaneously contends with four criminal prosecutions and seeks to regain the White House.

Justice Engoron barred Mr. Trump for three years from serving in top roles at any New York company, including his own Trump Organization. He also imposed a two-year ban on the former president’s adult sons and ordered that they pay more than $4 million each. One of them, Eric Trump, is the company’s de facto chief executive, and the ruling throws into doubt whether any member of the family can run the business in the near term.

In his unconventional style, Justice Engoron criticized Mr. Trump and the other defendants for refusing to admit wrongdoing for years. “Their complete lack of contrition and remorse borders on pathological,” he said.

He noted that Mr. Trump had not committed violent crimes and also conceded that “Donald Trump is not Bernard Madoff.” Still, he wrote, “defendants are incapable of admitting the error of their ways.”

Mr. Trump will appeal the financial penalty — which could climb to $400 million or more once interest is added — but will have to either come up with the money or secure a bond within 30 days. The ruling will not render him bankrupt, because most of his wealth is tied up in real estate.

Mr. Trump will also most likely ask an appeals court to halt the restrictions on him and his sons from running the company while it considers the case.

“This verdict is a manifest injustice — plain and simple,” Alina Habba, one of Mr. Trump’s lawyers, said in a statement. She added that “given the grave stakes, we trust that the Appellate Division will overturn this egregious verdict.”

But there might be little Mr. Trump can do to thwart one of the judge’s most consequential punishments: extending for three years the appointment of an independent monitor who will be the court’s eyes and ears at the Trump Organization. He also strengthened her authority to watch for fraud and second-guess transactions that look suspicious.

Mr. Trump’s lawyers have railed against the monitor, Barbara Jones, saying that her work had already cost the business more than $2.5 million; the decision to extend her oversight of the privately held company could enrage the Trumps, who see her presence as an irritant and an insult.

The attorney general, Letitia James, had sought an even harsher penalty, asking for Mr. Trump to be permanently barred from New York’s business world. In the 2022 lawsuit that precipitated the trial, she accused Mr. Trump of inflating his net worth to obtain favorable treatment from banks and other lenders, attacking the foundation of his public persona as a billionaire businessman.

Even though the lenders made money from Mr. Trump, they were the purported victims in the case, with Ms. James arguing that without his fraud, they could have made even more.

The financial penalty reflects those lost profits, with nearly half of the $355 million — $168 million — representing the interest that Mr. Trump saved, and the remaining sum representing his profit on the recent sale of two properties, money that the judge has now clawed back.

Before the trial began, Justice Engoron ruled that the former president had used his annual financial statements to defraud the lenders, siding with the attorney general on her case’s central claim. The judge’s Friday ruling ratified almost all of the other accusations Ms. James had leveled against Mr. Trump, finding that the former president had conspired with his top executives to violate several state laws.

The judge’s decision for now grants Ms. James, a Democrat, a career-defining victory. She campaigned for office promising to bring Mr. Trump to justice, and sat calmly in the courtroom as the former president attacked her, calling her a corrupt politician motivated solely by self-interest.

Her win is Mr. Trump’s second major courtroom loss in two months, following a January jury verdict in a defamation case brought by E. Jean Carroll, a writer whom he was found liable of sexually abusing. The jury penalized him $83.3 million.

Friday’s ruling comes as Manhattan prosecutors are set to try Mr. Trump on criminal charges late next month. He is also contending with 57 more felony counts across three other criminal cases.

But none of his legal troubles seem to have anguished Mr. Trump quite like the fraud case. During the trial, he protested its premise, pleading, “This has been a persecution of somebody that’s done a good job in New York.”

Mr. Trump’s lawyers argued that the fraud did not have a victim in the traditional sense, daring the attorney general to find someone who was harmed. And in a statement on Friday, a Trump Organization spokeswoman noted that the company had “never missed any loan payment or been in default on any loan” and that the lenders “performed extensive due diligence prior to entering into these transactions.”

At trial, Mr. Trump’s lawyers called as witnesses the president’s former bankers, who testified that they had been delighted to have Mr. Trump as a client.

Eric Trump and his brother Donald Trump Jr. also testified, but their efforts to distance themselves from their father’s financial statements fell flat with the judge. Justice Engoron’s decision to bar them from running any New York business for two years will likely strike a nerve with the Trump family.

However, nothing will hurt quite as much as the financial penalty. If upheld on appeal, it could erase the cushion of liquidity — cash, stocks and bonds — that Mr. Trump built in his post-presidential life.

Mr. Trump claimed under oath last year that he was sitting on more than $400 million in cash, but between Justice Engoron’s $355 million punishment and the $83.3 million payout to Ms. Carroll, that might all be gone. If so, Mr. Trump might have to sell one of his properties or another asset to cover the payouts.

Before the trial, the fallout from the case seemed to threaten the Trump Organization’s very existence. When Justice Engoron first ruled that Mr. Trump had committed fraud, he ordered the dissolution of much of the former president’s New York empire.

But legal experts had questioned the judge’s ability to do that, and in his ruling on Friday, Justice Engoron pulled back. Instead, the judge said any “restructuring and potential dissolution” would be up to Ms. Jones, the independent monitor.

The judge also granted Ms. Jones new authority as part of an “enhanced monitorship,” and asked her to recommend an independent compliance director who will oversee the company’s financial reporting from within its ranks.

The punishments hit the company hard, but the symbolism cannot be overlooked, either. Mr. Trump is synonymous with the company he ran for decades, and by severing him from its operations, the judge has written an embarrassing epilogue to the former president’s story of his career as a New York mogul.

For now, Mr. Trump has spun his legal misfortunes into what he sees as political gold. He has used the cases to falsely portray himself as a victim of a Democratic cabal led by President Biden, and he has campaigned at every courthouse he has visited.

In Justice Engoron’s courtroom, Mr. Trump delivered a rally-made rant from the witness stand, marking the climax of a monthslong proceeding that was alternately stultifying and scintillating. The former president attacked one of Ms. James’s lawyers, saying: “You and about every other Democrat, district attorney, A.G. and U.S. attorney were coming after me from 15 different sides. All Democrats, all Trump haters.”

He did not spare Ms. James herself, or the judge, calling the attorney general a “political hack” and Justice Engoron an “extremely hostile judge.”

Mr. Trump later delivered his own closing statement, calling Ms. James’s fraud accusation a “fraud on me” and saying that the attorney general was the one who “should pay me.”

He generated drama even when not in the spotlight, rolling his eyes at the defense table and muttering to his lawyers. He was particularly enraged by the testimony of his former fixer, Michael D. Cohen, who linked Mr. Trump directly to the fraud scheme.

Mr. Trump’s lawyers succeeded in rattling Mr. Cohen, and asked, based on apparent contradictions in his testimony, that Justice Engoron throw out the case. When the judge declined, Mr. Trump abruptly stood up and stormed out of the courtroom.

The judge largely tolerated Mr. Trump’s behavior, but early on, he barred the former president from attacking his staff members, most prominently his law clerk, who sat near the judge throughout the trial so they could confer. Mr. Trump twice violated that order, prompting $15,000 in fines from the judge.

Courtroom theatrics notwithstanding, the evidence presented was often tedious, consisting of years-old emails and spreadsheets. Through that documentary evidence, Ms. James’s lawyers showed that Mr. Trump’s company had ignored appraisals and manipulated numbers to inflate the value of properties such as golf clubs and office buildings, sometimes to absurd heights.

The most blatant exaggeration was the listed size of Mr. Trump’s triplex apartment in Trump Tower on Fifth Avenue. For years, the former president had valued it as if it were 30,000 square feet, when it was actually 10,996.

In his ruling, Justice Engoron blasted Mr. Trump and the other defendants, saying that misstating the apartment’s size was the only error to which they would admit.

Justice Engoron wrote that he was not looking to “judge morality” — only to find facts and apply the law.

“The court intends to protect the integrity of the financial marketplace and, thus, the public as a whole,” he wrote.

Justice Engoron added that Mr. Trump’s refusal to admit error left him with no choice but to conclude that the former president would continue committing fraud unless he was stopped.

[Antknot]

Cultist hacks feel bad.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/16/nyre ... uling.html

Trump Ordered to Pay $355 Million and Barred From New York Business

A New York judge on Friday handed Donald J. Trump a crushing defeat in his civil fraud case, finding the former president liable for conspiring to manipulate his net worth and ordering him to pay a penalty of $355 million that could wipe out his entire stockpile of cash.

The decision by Justice Arthur F. Engoron caps a chaotic, yearslong case in which New York’s attorney general put Mr. Trump’s fantastical claims of wealth on trial. With no jury, the power was in Justice Engoron’s hands alone, and he came down hard: The judge delivered a sweeping array of punishments that threatens the former president’s business empire as he simultaneously contends with four criminal prosecutions and seeks to regain the White House.

Justice Engoron barred Mr. Trump for three years from serving in top roles at any New York company, including his own Trump Organization. He also imposed a two-year ban on the former president’s adult sons and ordered that they pay more than $4 million each. One of them, Eric Trump, is the company’s de facto chief executive, and the ruling throws into doubt whether any member of the family can run the business in the near term.

In his unconventional style, Justice Engoron criticized Mr. Trump and the other defendants for refusing to admit wrongdoing for years. “Their complete lack of contrition and remorse borders on pathological,” he said.

He noted that Mr. Trump had not committed violent crimes and also conceded that “Donald Trump is not Bernard Madoff.” Still, he wrote, “defendants are incapable of admitting the error of their ways.”

Mr. Trump will appeal the financial penalty — which could climb to $400 million or more once interest is added — but will have to either come up with the money or secure a bond within 30 days. The ruling will not render him bankrupt, because most of his wealth is tied up in real estate.

Mr. Trump will also most likely ask an appeals court to halt the restrictions on him and his sons from running the company while it considers the case.

“This verdict is a manifest injustice — plain and simple,” Alina Habba, one of Mr. Trump’s lawyers, said in a statement. She added that “given the grave stakes, we trust that the Appellate Division will overturn this egregious verdict.”

But there might be little Mr. Trump can do to thwart one of the judge’s most consequential punishments: extending for three years the appointment of an independent monitor who will be the court’s eyes and ears at the Trump Organization. He also strengthened her authority to watch for fraud and second-guess transactions that look suspicious.

Mr. Trump’s lawyers have railed against the monitor, Barbara Jones, saying that her work had already cost the business more than $2.5 million; the decision to extend her oversight of the privately held company could enrage the Trumps, who see her presence as an irritant and an insult.

The attorney general, Letitia James, had sought an even harsher penalty, asking for Mr. Trump to be permanently barred from New York’s business world. In the 2022 lawsuit that precipitated the trial, she accused Mr. Trump of inflating his net worth to obtain favorable treatment from banks and other lenders, attacking the foundation of his public persona as a billionaire businessman.

Even though the lenders made money from Mr. Trump, they were the purported victims in the case, with Ms. James arguing that without his fraud, they could have made even more.

The financial penalty reflects those lost profits, with nearly half of the $355 million — $168 million — representing the interest that Mr. Trump saved, and the remaining sum representing his profit on the recent sale of two properties, money that the judge has now clawed back.

Before the trial began, Justice Engoron ruled that the former president had used his annual financial statements to defraud the lenders, siding with the attorney general on her case’s central claim. The judge’s Friday ruling ratified almost all of the other accusations Ms. James had leveled against Mr. Trump, finding that the former president had conspired with his top executives to violate several state laws.

The judge’s decision for now grants Ms. James, a Democrat, a career-defining victory. She campaigned for office promising to bring Mr. Trump to justice, and sat calmly in the courtroom as the former president attacked her, calling her a corrupt politician motivated solely by self-interest.

Her win is Mr. Trump’s second major courtroom loss in two months, following a January jury verdict in a defamation case brought by E. Jean Carroll, a writer whom he was found liable of sexually abusing. The jury penalized him $83.3 million.

Friday’s ruling comes as Manhattan prosecutors are set to try Mr. Trump on criminal charges late next month. He is also contending with 57 more felony counts across three other criminal cases.

But none of his legal troubles seem to have anguished Mr. Trump quite like the fraud case. During the trial, he protested its premise, pleading, “This has been a persecution of somebody that’s done a good job in New York.”

Mr. Trump’s lawyers argued that the fraud did not have a victim in the traditional sense, daring the attorney general to find someone who was harmed. And in a statement on Friday, a Trump Organization spokeswoman noted that the company had “never missed any loan payment or been in default on any loan” and that the lenders “performed extensive due diligence prior to entering into these transactions.”

At trial, Mr. Trump’s lawyers called as witnesses the president’s former bankers, who testified that they had been delighted to have Mr. Trump as a client.

Eric Trump and his brother Donald Trump Jr. also testified, but their efforts to distance themselves from their father’s financial statements fell flat with the judge. Justice Engoron’s decision to bar them from running any New York business for two years will likely strike a nerve with the Trump family.

However, nothing will hurt quite as much as the financial penalty. If upheld on appeal, it could erase the cushion of liquidity — cash, stocks and bonds — that Mr. Trump built in his post-presidential life.

Mr. Trump claimed under oath last year that he was sitting on more than $400 million in cash, but between Justice Engoron’s $355 million punishment and the $83.3 million payout to Ms. Carroll, that might all be gone. If so, Mr. Trump might have to sell one of his properties or another asset to cover the payouts.

Before the trial, the fallout from the case seemed to threaten the Trump Organization’s very existence. When Justice Engoron first ruled that Mr. Trump had committed fraud, he ordered the dissolution of much of the former president’s New York empire.

But legal experts had questioned the judge’s ability to do that, and in his ruling on Friday, Justice Engoron pulled back. Instead, the judge said any “restructuring and potential dissolution” would be up to Ms. Jones, the independent monitor.

The judge also granted Ms. Jones new authority as part of an “enhanced monitorship,” and asked her to recommend an independent compliance director who will oversee the company’s financial reporting from within its ranks.

The punishments hit the company hard, but the symbolism cannot be overlooked, either. Mr. Trump is synonymous with the company he ran for decades, and by severing him from its operations, the judge has written an embarrassing epilogue to the former president’s story of his career as a New York mogul.

For now, Mr. Trump has spun his legal misfortunes into what he sees as political gold. He has used the cases to falsely portray himself as a victim of a Democratic cabal led by President Biden, and he has campaigned at every courthouse he has visited.

In Justice Engoron’s courtroom, Mr. Trump delivered a rally-made rant from the witness stand, marking the climax of a monthslong proceeding that was alternately stultifying and scintillating. The former president attacked one of Ms. James’s lawyers, saying: “You and about every other Democrat, district attorney, A.G. and U.S. attorney were coming after me from 15 different sides. All Democrats, all Trump haters.”

He did not spare Ms. James herself, or the judge, calling the attorney general a “political hack” and Justice Engoron an “extremely hostile judge.”

Mr. Trump later delivered his own closing statement, calling Ms. James’s fraud accusation a “fraud on me” and saying that the attorney general was the one who “should pay me.”

He generated drama even when not in the spotlight, rolling his eyes at the defense table and muttering to his lawyers. He was particularly enraged by the testimony of his former fixer, Michael D. Cohen, who linked Mr. Trump directly to the fraud scheme.

Mr. Trump’s lawyers succeeded in rattling Mr. Cohen, and asked, based on apparent contradictions in his testimony, that Justice Engoron throw out the case. When the judge declined, Mr. Trump abruptly stood up and stormed out of the courtroom.

The judge largely tolerated Mr. Trump’s behavior, but early on, he barred the former president from attacking his staff members, most prominently his law clerk, who sat near the judge throughout the trial so they could confer. Mr. Trump twice violated that order, prompting $15,000 in fines from the judge.

Courtroom theatrics notwithstanding, the evidence presented was often tedious, consisting of years-old emails and spreadsheets. Through that documentary evidence, Ms. James’s lawyers showed that Mr. Trump’s company had ignored appraisals and manipulated numbers to inflate the value of properties such as golf clubs and office buildings, sometimes to absurd heights.

The most blatant exaggeration was the listed size of Mr. Trump’s triplex apartment in Trump Tower on Fifth Avenue. For years, the former president had valued it as if it were 30,000 square feet, when it was actually 10,996.

In his ruling, Justice Engoron blasted Mr. Trump and the other defendants, saying that misstating the apartment’s size was the only error to which they would admit.

Justice Engoron wrote that he was not looking to “judge morality” — only to find facts and apply the law.

“The court intends to protect the integrity of the financial marketplace and, thus, the public as a whole,” he wrote.

Justice Engoron added that Mr. Trump’s refusal to admit error left him with no choice but to conclude that the former president would continue committing fraud unless he was stopped.

I’ll wait for all the appeals to run their course.

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I’ll wait for all the appeals to run their course.

You have a lot of faith in a man found guilty of massive fraud and sexual assault. Unfortunately, he's gonna have to shell out the money for those appeals.

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/02/1 ... w-00142034

Can Trump delay payment by appealing the verdicts?
No. In all three cases, he has to put money in an escrow account with the court or get a bond while he’s appealing the verdicts.

With the civil fraud verdict, which Trump has vowed to appeal, the amount to be posted or bonded is set by the court. It is typically about 120 to 125 percent of the judgment amount, to account for additional post-judgment interest that accrues during the appeal.

With last year’s Carroll verdict, which Trump has appealed, he turned over $5.5 million to the court, which was worth 111 percent of the judgment.

For the more recent Carroll verdict, which Trump has also vowed to appeal, 111 percent of the judgment would be $92.46 million. Trump has a 30-day window after the Jan. 26 verdict to either pay cash into the court’s escrow or get a bond while he appeals. If he chooses to file a bond, he will likely have to pay a 20 percent deposit ($16.66 million) and put up collateral, but it could come with fees and interest, making it more expensive in the long run. And it would require Trump to find a third party willing to take on the risk of loaning him money.

[QillerDaemon]

And it would require Trump to find a third party willing to take on the risk of loaning him money.

And which trashy Russian oligarch is going to risk doing that?

[Animal]

I’ll wait for all the appeals to run their course.

You have a lot of faith in a man found guilty of massive fraud and sexual assault. Unfortunately, he's gonna have to shell out the money for those appeals.

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/02/1 ... w-00142034

Can Trump delay payment by appealing the verdicts?
No. In all three cases, he has to put money in an escrow account with the court or get a bond while he’s appealing the verdicts.

With the civil fraud verdict, which Trump has vowed to appeal, the amount to be posted or bonded is set by the court. It is typically about 120 to 125 percent of the judgment amount, to account for additional post-judgment interest that accrues during the appeal.

That's funny, they say he can't delay the payment and then go on to explain how he can delay the payment.

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That's funny, they say he can't delay the payment and then go on to explain how he can delay the payment.

Oh no, is this another case of you don't understand how things work? I know fraud is a tender subject and all, but if he has to put up greater than the amount of the judgement to appeal it, he's still having to pay the money. Whether that's flat out cash, which he's running out of, or putting up property or selling it for said cash. And to think, you could've saved him all of this if you'd just gone to New York and told the judge your theory of how fraud works. Why didn't you do that?

[Animal]

That's funny, they say he can't delay the payment and then go on to explain how he can delay the payment.

Oh no, is this another case of you don't understand how things work? I know fraud is a tender subject and all, but if he has to put up greater than the amount of the judgement to appeal it, he's still having to pay the money. Whether that's flat out cash, which he's running out of, or putting up property or selling it for said cash. And to think, you could've saved him all of this if you'd just gone to New York and told the judge your theory of how fraud works. Why didn't you do that?

the fact that he has been charged and found guilty of fraud has nothing to do with whether it was fraud or not. which it wasn't.

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the fact that he has been charged and found guilty of fraud has nothing to do with whether it was fraud or not. which it wasn't.

By all means, travel to New York and make your case. I'm sure it'll be very entertaining. Maybe you'll get the forum some recognition when they showcase how little you actually know about the subject and where you've published your findings previously.

[Antknot]

That's funny, they say he can't delay the payment and then go on to explain how he can delay the payment.

Oh no, is this another case of you don't understand how things work? I know fraud is a tender subject and all, but if he has to put up greater than the amount of the judgement to appeal it, he's still having to pay the money. Whether that's flat out cash, which he's running out of, or putting up property or selling it for said cash. And to think, you could've saved him all of this if you'd just gone to New York and told the judge your theory of how fraud works. Why didn't you do that?

Putting funds in escrow, in this case until the appeals are done, doesn’t mean that he’s gonna lose that money if the appeals are won. So he isn’t “paying”.

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Putting funds in escrow, in this case until the appeals are done, doesn’t mean that he’s gonna lose that money if the appeals are won. So he isn’t “paying”.

Can he take the money back out before those appeals are lost? No. Just remember, you're choosing to believe a criminal sexual assaulter guilty of massive fraud. If you hurry, maybe you can help him out via buying those golden shoes he's now peddling. There's always another mark.

[Animal]

the fact that he has been charged and found guilty of fraud has nothing to do with whether it was fraud or not. which it wasn't.

By all means, travel to New York and make your case. I'm sure it'll be very entertaining. Maybe you'll get the forum some recognition when they showcase how little you actually know about the subject and where you've published your findings previously.

i don't need to travel to New York to explain that fraud doesn't depend on any legal findings. Are you now saying that crimes or courts now have something to do with determining if a crime was committed?

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i don't need to travel to New York to explain that fraud doesn't depend on any legal findings. Are you now saying that crimes or courts now have something to do with determining if a crime was committed?

Are you sure about that? Because you're the one claiming that what he did was not fraud despite the ruling and evidence and testimony that says otherwise. If you had some magic bullet to save him from these judgements, shouldn't you consider it a badge of honor to have walked into those courtrooms and saved him from what he calls a witch hunt? So come on, get to steppin'. Every day wasted is a day lost to exonerate him and save him the interest on those appeals he can't afford.

[Reservoir Dog]

i don't need to travel to New York to explain that fraud doesn't depend on any legal findings. Are you now saying that crimes or courts now have something to do with determining if a crime was committed?

Are you sure about that? Because you're the one claiming that what he did was not fraud despite the ruling and evidence and testimony that says otherwise. If you had some magic bullet to save him from these judgements, shouldn't you consider it a badge of honor to have walked into those courtrooms and saved him from what he calls a witch hunt? So come on, get to steppin'. Every day wasted is a day lost to exonerate him and save him the interest on those appeals he can't afford.

Trump's lawyers really shit the bed when they didn't take Animals phone call!

[stonedmegman]

I remember someone claiming it was an "insurrection" when the DOJ said otherwise.....

[Animal]

i don't need to travel to New York to explain that fraud doesn't depend on any legal findings. Are you now saying that crimes or courts now have something to do with determining if a crime was committed?

Are you sure about that? Because you're the one claiming that what he did was not fraud despite the ruling and evidence and testimony that says otherwise. If you had some magic bullet to save him from these judgements, shouldn't you consider it a badge of honor to have walked into those courtrooms and saved him from what he calls a witch hunt? So come on, get to steppin'. Every day wasted is a day lost to exonerate him and save him the interest on those appeals he can't afford.

Trump's lawyers really shit the bed when they didn't take Animals phone call!

I'm just enjoying watching Dot bounce back and forth between when charges determine that crimes were committed and when they have nothing to do with crimes being committed. Whichever fits his argument.

I know he won't tackle it, but I would love to see him explain how the State of New York had any financial damages attributed to inflating asset values. If he could get anywhere close to $350 million that would be even better.

[Reservoir Dog]

i don't need to travel to New York to explain that fraud doesn't depend on any legal findings. Are you now saying that crimes or courts now have something to do with determining if a crime was committed?

Are you sure about that? Because you're the one claiming that what he did was not fraud despite the ruling and evidence and testimony that says otherwise. If you had some magic bullet to save him from these judgements, shouldn't you consider it a badge of honor to have walked into those courtrooms and saved him from what he calls a witch hunt? So come on, get to steppin'. Every day wasted is a day lost to exonerate him and save him the interest on those appeals he can't afford.

Trump's lawyers really shit the bed when they didn't take Animals phone call!

I'm just enjoying watching Dot bounce back and forth between when charges determine that crimes were committed and when they have nothing to do with crimes being committed. Whichever fits his argument.

I know he won't tackle it, but I would love to see him explain how the State of New York had any financial damages attributed to inflating asset values. If he could get anywhere close to $350 million that would be even better.

It's truly unbelievable how Trump's lawyers were completely unaware of all this important legal knowledge you have.