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"Anywhere near the presidency."Trump’s threat to deploy military against ‘radical left’ draws backlash
Former President Trump’s suggestion that U.S. troops could be used to go after “radical-left lunatics” following the presidential election has alarmed those in the military community and bolstered Democratic warnings about the dangers of a second Trump term.
Trump, who warned Sunday that he could deploy active or National Guard troops to counter the “enemy from within,” quickly drew condemnation from Vice President Harris’s campaign, which said the comments “should alarm every American who cares about their freedom and security.” Harris herself called Trump “increasingly unstable and unhinged” during her Monday campaign rally in Erie, Pa.
Trump has suggested deploying the military within U.S. borders before, and his former Defense Secretary Mark Esper said the public should take Trump’s comments “seriously.”
“Yes I do, of course,” Esper said Monday evening on CNN when asked whether he fears Trump would try to utilize the military against U.S. citizens.
“Because I lived through that, and I saw over the summer of 2020 where President Trump and those around him wanted to use the National Guard in various capacities in cities such as Chicago and Portland and Seattle,” Esper said.
Trump, in an interview with Fox News that aired Sunday, dismissed President Biden’s concerns that Election Day wouldn’t be peaceful and said he thinks “the bigger problem is the enemy from within, not even the people that have come in and destroyed our country.”
“I think the bigger problem are the people from within. We have some very bad people. We have some sick people, radical-left lunatics,” Trump said.
“And it should be very easily handled by, if necessary, by [the] National Guard or, if really necessary, by the military, because they can’t let that happen,” he continued.
The remarks quickly drew outrage from the left, with Harris’s running mate, Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz (D), calling Trump’s comments “dangerous” and “un-American.”
“As someone who wore this nation’s uniform proudly … the idea of sending U.S. military personnel against American citizens makes me sick to my stomach,” said Walz, who served for 24 years in the Army National Guard before running for public office.
“It’s a call for violence, plain and simple. And it’s pretty damn un-American if you ask me,” he told attendees at a campaign event in Wisconsin on Monday.
The GOP presidential nominee wouldn’t immediately have command of U.S. troops should he win in November and would only gain control following the inauguration in mid-January.
Former New York Rep. Max Rose (D), a senior adviser to liberal veterans group VoteVets who serves in the Army Reserve, said what Trump and his associates are seeking to do “is not just weaponize the military but actually try to replace leaders in the military who stand up against him and follow the rule of law.”
Speaking Monday evening on MSNBC’s “The 11th Hour with Stephanie Ruhle,” he added: “It just shows yet again how serious and grave these coming days are, not just this one election, but the future of this country.”
And retired Army Maj. Gen. Randy Manner said he feared Trump could use the National Guard as “his own personal police force.”
“If he was to be the commander in chief again, everything changes. The Supreme Court has given him immunity,” Manner said on CNN. “And the threshold for turning the National Guard into his personal police force is quite low.”
Manner explained that as long as Trump had a consenting state governor, he could authorize the funds to pay them and “use the National Guard almost in any way that he wants.”
“Most Americans don’t know how very easy it would be for an unhinged president to use the military against our own citizens,” he added.
Pushback from Republicans on Trump’s comments, meanwhile, has been virtually nonexistent.
Rep. Byron Donalds (Fla.) appeared to be the lone Republican to publicly break from Trump on Tuesday, saying “we’re not going to have” the U.S. military deployed inside U.S. borders.
“Obviously we don’t want to have the United States military — we’re not going to have that be deployed in the United States,” Donalds said Monday on CNN. “That’s been long-standing law in our country since the founding of the republic.”
Donalds was among the 147 Republicans who voted against certifying the 2020 election results in January 2021.
Virginia Gov. Glenn Youngkin (R) sparred with CNN’s Jake Tapper on Monday over the comments, with Youngkin refusing to accept that Trump was threatening to deploy U.S. troops against his political enemies.
This isn’t the first time Trump has suggested using the military to accomplish his political goals, as he has previously opined using troops to aid in the mass deportation of immigrants who are in the country illegally.
Trump also used the National Guard along with U.S. Park Police to clear Lafayette Square of protesters in the summer of 2020 so he could walk from the White House and pose for a photo in front of a historic church.
That incident came just after Trump delivered remarks declaring himself “your president of law and order,” calling on governors to deploy National Guard units and “dominate the streets” amid sweeping racial justice protests.
He also has talked of weeding out military officers who don’t share his ideology and “moving thousands of troops currently stationed overseas” to the southern border, according to his platform known as Agenda 47.
Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, a nonprofit watchdog organization, scoured more than 13,000 of Trump’s Truth Social posts from Jan. 1, 2023, to April 1, 2024, and found that he vowed at least 19 times to weaponize law enforcement against civilians, including multiple branches of the military.
While the 1878 Posse Comitatus Act largely prohibits active duty troops from carrying out law enforcement duties inside the United States, Trump’s supporters have cited the Insurrection Act of 1807 as a possible law he could use to get around that.
The 200-year-old statute, meant to curb rebellions, was used during the Civil War and during the Civil Rights Movement. It was last used by then-President George H.W. Bush during the 1992 Los Angeles riots.
The law says the president, as commander in chief, can call on American troops if there’s been “any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination or conspiracy” in a state that “opposes or obstructs the execution of the laws of the United States or impedes the course of justice under those laws.”
Whether the law could be legally applied to Trump’s political goals remains to be seen.
What’s far more likely to come to fruition, should Trump return to the White House, is his plan to remove military officials that don’t see eye to eye with him; the president is responsible for promoting officers in the military, though they would have to be approved by the Senate.
That’s your take?
Apparently not dumb enough to fall for her bullshit like you have.
I don’t understand for the life of me how you can support a dictator wannabe
Trump is not and was not my first choice. Given the alternative though the choice is pretty easy. That's how bad your girl is.
Well that's simple. He's not. And if you think he is, you're an idiot conspiracy theorists.
45 isn’t known for telling the truth but even he slips up occasionallynecronomous wrote: ↑Sun Oct 20, 2024 2:42 amWell that's simple. He's not. And if you think he is, you're an idiot conspiracy theorists.
You're already old and senile, do you want to be known as a conspiracy nut also?Who wrote: ↑Sun Oct 20, 2024 5:57 pm45 isn’t known for telling the truth but even he slips up occasionallynecronomous wrote: ↑Sun Oct 20, 2024 2:42 amWell that's simple. He's not. And if you think he is, you're an idiot conspiracy theorists.
none of us would have even known what the Lincoln Project or Project 2025 was without Who. He lives for these things.necronomous wrote: ↑Mon Oct 21, 2024 1:52 amYou're already old and senile, do you want to be known as a conspiracy nut also?Who wrote: ↑Sun Oct 20, 2024 5:57 pm45 isn’t known for telling the truth but even he slips up occasionallynecronomous wrote: ↑Sun Oct 20, 2024 2:42 amWell that's simple. He's not. And if you think he is, you're an idiot conspiracy theorists.
He's taking over for Captain Q. Someone has to keep us informed of all of the dastardly Republican conspiracy theories that are supposedly so common.Animal wrote: ↑Mon Oct 21, 2024 1:27 pmnone of us would have even known what the Lincoln Project or Project 2025 was without Who. He lives for these things.necronomous wrote: ↑Mon Oct 21, 2024 1:52 amYou're already old and senile, do you want to be known as a conspiracy nut also?Who wrote: ↑Sun Oct 20, 2024 5:57 pm45 isn’t known for telling the truth but even he slips up occasionallynecronomous wrote: ↑Sun Oct 20, 2024 2:42 amWell that's simple. He's not. And if you think he is, you're an idiot conspiracy theorists.
This forum is literally the only place I have heard about project 2025.Animal wrote: ↑Mon Oct 21, 2024 1:27 pmnone of us would have even known what the Lincoln Project or Project 2025 was without Who. He lives for these things.necronomous wrote: ↑Mon Oct 21, 2024 1:52 amYou're already old and senile, do you want to be known as a conspiracy nut also?Who wrote: ↑Sun Oct 20, 2024 5:57 pm45 isn’t known for telling the truth but even he slips up occasionallynecronomous wrote: ↑Sun Oct 20, 2024 2:42 amWell that's simple. He's not. And if you think he is, you're an idiot conspiracy theorists.
With Michigan being a battleground state we get hit pretty hard with the 2025 bullshit. The ads for Knee Pads especially like to draw attention to it and erroneously call it "Trump's Project 2025 plan". The Dims are desperately trying to tie it to any and all Republicans even down ballot.Homebrew wrote: ↑Mon Oct 21, 2024 7:06 pmThis forum is literally the only place I have heard about project 2025.Animal wrote: ↑Mon Oct 21, 2024 1:27 pmnone of us would have even known what the Lincoln Project or Project 2025 was without Who. He lives for these things.necronomous wrote: ↑Mon Oct 21, 2024 1:52 amYou're already old and senile, do you want to be known as a conspiracy nut also?Who wrote: ↑Sun Oct 20, 2024 5:57 pm45 isn’t known for telling the truth but even he slips up occasionallynecronomous wrote: ↑Sun Oct 20, 2024 2:42 amWell that's simple. He's not. And if you think he is, you're an idiot conspiracy theorists.
CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 21, 2024 7:36 pm With Michigan being a battleground state we get hit pretty hard with the 2025 bullshit. The ads for Knee Pads especially like to draw attention to it and erroneously call it "Trump's Project 2025 plan". The Dims are desperately trying to tie it to any and all Republicans even down ballot.
The 3 things the Democrats seem to be going all in on here are abortion, Trump is a "threat to democracy" and Project 2025.
Just because you avoid it doesn't make it go away.dot wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2024 5:44 pm
https://www.forbes.com/sites/maryroelof ... istancing/
Vought, however, called himself someone who “has the president’s trust” and said while he expects Trump to continue to distance himself from the plan, the former president has visited and raised money for his organization, "blessed it" and been "very supportive of what we do."
That's what I don't get is the straight up lies. I'm not in a battle ground state, but the race for Ted Cruz's senate seat takes of 50% of the advertising every fucking day. And both sides are doing nothing but lying in all of their ads. Collin Allred (the Democrat running) claims that Ted Cruz wants to kill every pregnant woman and force every young girl to give birth for a rapist. That's the only thing Ted Cruz thinks about is killing women and punishing raped young girls.CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 21, 2024 7:36 pmWith Michigan being a battleground state we get hit pretty hard with the 2025 bullshit. The ads for Knee Pads especially like to draw attention to it and erroneously call it "Trump's Project 2025 plan". The Dims are desperately trying to tie it to any and all Republicans even down ballot.Homebrew wrote: ↑Mon Oct 21, 2024 7:06 pmThis forum is literally the only place I have heard about project 2025.Animal wrote: ↑Mon Oct 21, 2024 1:27 pmnone of us would have even known what the Lincoln Project or Project 2025 was without Who. He lives for these things.necronomous wrote: ↑Mon Oct 21, 2024 1:52 amYou're already old and senile, do you want to be known as a conspiracy nut also?Who wrote: ↑Sun Oct 20, 2024 5:57 pm45 isn’t known for telling the truth but even he slips up occasionallynecronomous wrote: ↑Sun Oct 20, 2024 2:42 am
Well that's simple. He's not. And if you think he is, you're an idiot conspiracy theorists.
The 3 things the Democrats seem to be going all in on here are abortion, Trump is a "threat to democracy" and Project 2025.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/26/health/a ... index.htmlAnimal wrote: ↑Mon Oct 21, 2024 9:02 pm That's what I don't get is the straight up lies. I'm not in a battle ground state, but the race for Ted Cruz's senate seat takes of 50% of the advertising every fucking day. And both sides are doing nothing but lying in all of their ads. Collin Allred (the Democrat running) claims that Ted Cruz wants to kill every pregnant woman and force every young girl to give birth for a rapist. That's the only thing Ted Cruz thinks about is killing women and punishing raped young girls.
Just because you avoid it doesn't make it go away.“I wanted to address my senators Cruz and Cornyn, neither of whom regrettably are in the room right now, but I would like for them to know that what happened to me I think most people in this room would agree was horrific. But it’s a direct result of the policies that they support,” Zurawski said. “I nearly died on their watch, and furthermore, as a result of what happened to me, I may have been robbed of the opportunity to have children in the future.”
Not surprising that CloseTed is spouting lies about an election, nor is it surprising you're forgetting that you very well are given facts to consider. Cruz's abandonment of this state, rejecting the Constitution and the will of the people, condemning women to die with the abortion bans (death panels used to be a big red flag for you guys), you've been given facts, the problem is you don't like the reality those facts showcase. Besides, Ted Cruz would rather be doing a podcast than his Senate job. Give him the boot so he can live his dream.Animal wrote: ↑Mon Oct 21, 2024 9:02 pm And Ted Cruz points out that Collin Allred wants boys to compete in all girl's sports. And not just compete, but brutalize them like boys do when they play sports. He wants boys to shower in the girl's showers and he wants men in all of the women's bathrooms. He wants drag shows at every army base and he wants queers recruited into all the armed forces.
These ads are sickening on both sides. No one is being given facts to consider. Just garbage. And no wonder people are pissed at how other people are voting. Who would want to live next door to someone that votes for a pervert or a killer?
Do you live in a fucking cave?Homebrew wrote: ↑Mon Oct 21, 2024 7:06 pmThis forum is literally the only place I have heard about project 2025.Animal wrote: ↑Mon Oct 21, 2024 1:27 pmnone of us would have even known what the Lincoln Project or Project 2025 was without Who. He lives for these things.necronomous wrote: ↑Mon Oct 21, 2024 1:52 amYou're already old and senile, do you want to be known as a conspiracy nut also?Who wrote: ↑Sun Oct 20, 2024 5:57 pm45 isn’t known for telling the truth but even he slips up occasionallynecronomous wrote: ↑Sun Oct 20, 2024 2:42 amWell that's simple. He's not. And if you think he is, you're an idiot conspiracy theorists.