Last Minute Pardons

[Antknot]

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[Geist]

I'm truly curious what people think Biden actually did, considering how ineffective it obviously was. NY charges? Sure, Trumped up bullshit. Jack Smith? You're fucking delusional. Biden actually doing something would've been making Merrick Garland disappear. He didn't, because Biden was a complaisant cunt.

[Burn1dwn]

or maybe you don't grasp the meaning of pre-emptive.

Hey genius, you drawing an arbitrary and meaningless line means exactly that. Nothing. You were silent when Trump was forgiving traitors and corrupt politicians, and only now you want to speak up once you were propagandized into doing so. Anything you decide to complain about now is just words from a half-asleep retarded gasbag.

Oh my God, you're like the ghost of Dot. Can't intelligently defend your position so you attack the guy making an intelligent argument and deflect to the Orange Man. "But Trump, but Trump!" It doesn't matter what Trump has done. It's irrelevant to this conversation which is specifically about the preemptive pardons. The facts of the matter are that 4 years ago, when there was conjecture that Trump might issue preemptive pardons, Biden and all of the Dems are on record condemning exactly what Sleepy Joe did on Monday. They were all saying that such a pardon points to guilt. The point here is the hypocrisy and obvious corruption of Biden and the Dems. Now you get back to your TDS therapy sessions. You clearly need them.

First off, I think Biden and Trump are both wrong pardoning anyone they personally know. But I would argue that pardoning convicted criminals is worse than Pre-emptive pardoning people who may or may not be charged and convicted.

[CHEEZY17]

Questionable Presidential pardons at the end of their term are pretty standard. It doesn't make it right. I personally HATED Trump's pardon of former Detroit mayor Kwame Kilpatrick; it was a ridiculous pander to the black vote (that failed miserably as most black Detroiters, rightfully, hate Kwame).
The problem with Shit Shows pardons are the scope and breadth of the pardons with many of them having the troubling aspect of being preemptive.
To my knowledge very few, if any, presidential preemptive pardons have been issued to people that haven't been charged with anything. Ford's pardon of Nixon might have been preemptive. The fact that these preemptive pardons were given to close family members that received money from Biden shell companies further adds to their dubiousness and questionability. It's a shitty situation all around and probably won't get any better as long as a POTUS has that option. We're relying on (usually) career politicians to do the right thing and that is often a tall order.

Also factor in the precedent of a POTUS issuing a flurry of preemptive pardons to loyalists and family members. Does this mean a president can now just tell anyone in his circle to go do some nefarious stuff with the comfort and assurance of knowing that a last minute preemptive pardon will be coming? Preemptive pardons are (were) exceptionally rare and I don't think we want to go down the road of normalizing them.

I think we all know what the point of Biden's actions were. He knew that what he had done to Trump was to go after every kind of charge they could drum up and see which ones stuck. Whether he had done anything wrong or not. And he didn't want that same game played against his family. Especially with what he knew they had done.

Pretty much.

[Burn1dwn]

Questionable Presidential pardons at the end of their term are pretty standard. It doesn't make it right. I personally HATED Trump's pardon of former Detroit mayor Kwame Kilpatrick; it was a ridiculous pander to the black vote (that failed miserably as most black Detroiters, rightfully, hate Kwame).
The problem with Shit Shows pardons are the scope and breadth of the pardons with many of them having the troubling aspect of being preemptive.
To my knowledge very few, if any, presidential preemptive pardons have been issued to people that haven't been charged with anything. Ford's pardon of Nixon might have been preemptive. The fact that these preemptive pardons were given to close family members that received money from Biden shell companies further adds to their dubiousness and questionability. It's a shitty situation all around and probably won't get any better as long as a POTUS has that option. We're relying on (usually) career politicians to do the right thing and that is often a tall order.

Also factor in the precedent of a POTUS issuing a flurry of preemptive pardons to loyalists and family members. Does this mean a president can now just tell anyone in his circle to go do some nefarious stuff with the comfort and assurance of knowing that a last minute preemptive pardon will be coming? Preemptive pardons are (were) exceptionally rare and I don't think we want to go down the road of normalizing them.

I think we all know what the point of Biden's actions were. He knew that what he had done to Trump was to go after every kind of charge they could drum up and see which ones stuck. Whether he had done anything wrong or not. And he didn't want that same game played against his family. Especially with what he knew they had done.

Pretty much.

Pretty much? Biden just didn't want to watch Hunter high on crack and Shaving his balls on the news for a year.

[CHEEZY17]

I'm truly curious what people think Biden actually did, considering how ineffective ot obviously was. NY charges? Sure, Trumped up bullshit. Jack Smith? You're fucking delusional. Biden actually doing something would've been making Merrick Garland disappear. He didn't, because Biden was a complaisant cunt.

What he did in the "lawfare" sense or what he did in the crime family sense?

[CHEEZY17]

Questionable Presidential pardons at the end of their term are pretty standard. It doesn't make it right. I personally HATED Trump's pardon of former Detroit mayor Kwame Kilpatrick; it was a ridiculous pander to the black vote (that failed miserably as most black Detroiters, rightfully, hate Kwame).
The problem with Shit Shows pardons are the scope and breadth of the pardons with many of them having the troubling aspect of being preemptive.
To my knowledge very few, if any, presidential preemptive pardons have been issued to people that haven't been charged with anything. Ford's pardon of Nixon might have been preemptive. The fact that these preemptive pardons were given to close family members that received money from Biden shell companies further adds to their dubiousness and questionability. It's a shitty situation all around and probably won't get any better as long as a POTUS has that option. We're relying on (usually) career politicians to do the right thing and that is often a tall order.

Also factor in the precedent of a POTUS issuing a flurry of preemptive pardons to loyalists and family members. Does this mean a president can now just tell anyone in his circle to go do some nefarious stuff with the comfort and assurance of knowing that a last minute preemptive pardon will be coming? Preemptive pardons are (were) exceptionally rare and I don't think we want to go down the road of normalizing them.

I think we all know what the point of Biden's actions were. He knew that what he had done to Trump was to go after every kind of charge they could drum up and see which ones stuck. Whether he had done anything wrong or not. And he didn't want that same game played against his family. Especially with what he knew they had done.

Pretty much.

Pretty much? Biden just didn't want to watch Hunter high on crack and Shaving his balls on the news for a year.

While that would have been entertaining, as tales of hookers and crack usually are, Shit Shows preemptive pardons extended far beyond Hunter. Biden also pardoned all of the family members that received money from foreign entities via the numerous Biden shell companies as shown on Hunters laptop and corroborated by subpoenaed bank documents.

[Burn1dwn]

Do you think the news would be showing Bidens brother or Hunters balls?
I have news for you. All the President's hang out with criminals and have fall guys.

[CHEEZY17]

Do you think the news would be showing Bidens brother or Hunters balls?
I have news for you. All the President's hang out with criminals and have fall guys.

I can't really argue with that. Fair enough.

[CHEEZY17]

Burn, there is also the juicy preemptive pardon of Fauci.
We all know Fauci was involved with some shady shit in gain-of-function research and has a dubious history that most Americans don't know about regarding viruses.

[BigChiefin]

or maybe you don't grasp the meaning of pre-emptive.

Hey genius, you drawing an arbitrary and meaningless line means exactly that. Nothing. You were silent when Trump was forgiving traitors and corrupt politicians, and only now you want to speak up once you were propagandized into doing so. Anything you decide to complain about now is just words from a half-asleep retarded gasbag.

Oh my God, you're like the ghost of Dot. Can't intelligently defend your position so you attack the guy making an intelligent argument and deflect to the Orange Man. "But Trump, but Trump!" It doesn't matter what Trump has done. It's irrelevant to this conversation which is specifically about the preemptive pardons. The facts of the matter are that 4 years ago, when there was conjecture that Trump might issue preemptive pardons, Biden and all of the Dems are on record condemning exactly what Sleepy Joe did on Monday. They were all saying that such a pardon points to guilt. The point here is the hypocrisy and obvious corruption of Biden and the Dems. Now you get back to your TDS therapy sessions. You clearly need them.

Don't reply to me, beta. You have nothing of value to add but unintelligent drivel from a drop-out.

Again, you have no valid argument so you go in attack mode and revert to name calling. Your childish behavior is very telling and right out of the leftist handbook.

And what exactly do you think I dropped out of? My bachelors program? No, I completed that. Now move along, the adults are speaking here.

[Animal]

or maybe you don't grasp the meaning of pre-emptive.

Hey genius, you drawing an arbitrary and meaningless line means exactly that. Nothing. You were silent when Trump was forgiving traitors and corrupt politicians, and only now you want to speak up once you were propagandized into doing so. Anything you decide to complain about now is just words from a half-asleep retarded gasbag.

Oh my God, you're like the ghost of Dot. Can't intelligently defend your position so you attack the guy making an intelligent argument and deflect to the Orange Man. "But Trump, but Trump!" It doesn't matter what Trump has done. It's irrelevant to this conversation which is specifically about the preemptive pardons. The facts of the matter are that 4 years ago, when there was conjecture that Trump might issue preemptive pardons, Biden and all of the Dems are on record condemning exactly what Sleepy Joe did on Monday. They were all saying that such a pardon points to guilt. The point here is the hypocrisy and obvious corruption of Biden and the Dems. Now you get back to your TDS therapy sessions. You clearly need them.

First off, I think Biden and Trump are both wrong pardoning anyone they personally know. But I would argue that pardoning convicted criminals is worse than Pre-emptive pardoning people who may or may not be charged and convicted.

well, with a pre-emptive pardon, i feel pretty certain that they may not be charged or convicted of anything. that's kind of the point of it.

[Burn1dwn]

Burn, there is also the juicy preemptive pardon of Fauci.
We all know Fauci was involved with some shady shit in gain-of-function research and has a dubious history that most Americans don't know about regarding viruses.

I'm not going to justify any of his pardons. But you either give a President the power of pardoning whoever they want or you don't give them the power at all. I know some Presidental pardons were warranted in the past. But it also seems like it is expoited routinely too.

I'm really finding it difficult to be outraged about the pardons.

[Animal]

Burn, there is also the juicy preemptive pardon of Fauci.
We all know Fauci was involved with some shady shit in gain-of-function research and has a dubious history that most Americans don't know about regarding viruses.

I'm not going to justify any of his pardons. But you either give a President the power of pardoning whoever they want or you don't give them the power at all. I know some Presidental pardons were warranted in the past. But it also seems like it is expoited routinely too.

I'm really finding it difficult to be outraged about the pardons.

Does it bother you at all when a President goes on record as saying that if another President were to grant pre-emptive pardons, especially to friends or family, then that would be a misuse of power and abuse of the office? Even though the events never happened, he wanted to be on record voicing his disgust at even the thought of doing it.

And then 4 years later he does exactly that. I mean, forget the issue of pardons and just speak on the hypocrisy..

[Geist]

or maybe you don't grasp the meaning of pre-emptive.

Hey genius, you drawing an arbitrary and meaningless line means exactly that. Nothing. You were silent when Trump was forgiving traitors and corrupt politicians, and only now you want to speak up once you were propagandized into doing so. Anything you decide to complain about now is just words from a half-asleep retarded gasbag.

Oh my God, you're like the ghost of Dot. Can't intelligently defend your position so you attack the guy making an intelligent argument and deflect to the Orange Man. "But Trump, but Trump!" It doesn't matter what Trump has done. It's irrelevant to this conversation which is specifically about the preemptive pardons. The facts of the matter are that 4 years ago, when there was conjecture that Trump might issue preemptive pardons, Biden and all of the Dems are on record condemning exactly what Sleepy Joe did on Monday. They were all saying that such a pardon points to guilt. The point here is the hypocrisy and obvious corruption of Biden and the Dems. Now you get back to your TDS therapy sessions. You clearly need them.

Don't reply to me, beta. You have nothing of value to add but unintelligent drivel from a drop-out.

Again, you have no valid argument so you go in attack mode and revert to name calling. Your childish behavior is very telling and right out of the leftist handbook.

And what exactly do you think I dropped out of? My bachelors program? No, I completed that. Now move along, the adults are speaking here.

You're the only one here with no argument, dipshit. You clearly get your information from Biker's feed because your opinions are nothing but propagandized uninformed trash.

[Geist]

Burn, there is also the juicy preemptive pardon of Fauci.
We all know Fauci was involved with some shady shit in gain-of-function research and has a dubious history that most Americans don't know about regarding viruses.

I'm not going to justify any of his pardons. But you either give a President the power of pardoning whoever they want or you don't give them the power at all. I know some Presidental pardons were warranted in the past. But it also seems like it is expoited routinely too.

I'm really finding it difficult to be outraged about the pardons.

This is what they can't wrap their heads around. Not a peep out of them when Trump was selling pardons or pardoning political allies years ago, but Biden overreaches and now it's a problem. It's either stupidity or naivety, but those are the only options.

[Burn1dwn]

Burn, there is also the juicy preemptive pardon of Fauci.
We all know Fauci was involved with some shady shit in gain-of-function research and has a dubious history that most Americans don't know about regarding viruses.

I'm not going to justify any of his pardons. But you either give a President the power of pardoning whoever they want or you don't give them the power at all. I know some Presidental pardons were warranted in the past. But it also seems like it is expoited routinely too.

I'm really finding it difficult to be outraged about the pardons.

Does it bother you at all when a President goes on record as saying that if another President were to grant pre-emptive pardons, especially to friends or family, then that would be a misuse of power and abuse of the office? Even though the events never happened, he wanted to be on record voicing his disgust at even the thought of doing it.

And then 4 years later he does exactly that. I mean, forget the issue of pardons and just speak on the hypocrisy..

Add that to the 1000s of lies or flip flops Biden accomplished in his ridiculously long term in Government.

[Antknot]

Burn, there is also the juicy preemptive pardon of Fauci.
We all know Fauci was involved with some shady shit in gain-of-function research and has a dubious history that most Americans don't know about regarding viruses.

I'm not going to justify any of his pardons. But you either give a President the power of pardoning whoever they want or you don't give them the power at all. I know some Presidental pardons were warranted in the past. But it also seems like it is expoited routinely too.

I'm really finding it difficult to be outraged about the pardons.

This is what they can't wrap their heads around. Not a peep out of them when Trump was selling pardons or pardoning political allies years ago, but Biden overreaches and now it's a problem. It's either stupidity or naivety, but those are the only options.

Has anyone claimed Biden’s pardons were illegal? I certainly haven’t. I think they’re unethical, but not illegal. Not to split to find a hair.

[Geist]

Burn, there is also the juicy preemptive pardon of Fauci.
We all know Fauci was involved with some shady shit in gain-of-function research and has a dubious history that most Americans don't know about regarding viruses.

I'm not going to justify any of his pardons. But you either give a President the power of pardoning whoever they want or you don't give them the power at all. I know some Presidental pardons were warranted in the past. But it also seems like it is expoited routinely too.

I'm really finding it difficult to be outraged about the pardons.

This is what they can't wrap their heads around. Not a peep out of them when Trump was selling pardons or pardoning political allies years ago, but Biden overreaches and now it's a problem. It's either stupidity or naivety, but those are the only options.

Has anyone claimed Biden’s pardons were illegal? I certainly haven’t. I think they’re unethical, but not illegal. Not to split to find a hair.

What I'm claiming y'all are silent when Republicans are egregiously corrupt yet jump around like howler monkeys when Dems do anything ethically questionable. Is it hypocrisy or ignorance?

And I can guarantee a couple of you will see this and interpret it as advocating for Dems all while I've never done anything but shit on them for being spineless controlled opposition.

[Antknot]

Burn, there is also the juicy preemptive pardon of Fauci.
We all know Fauci was involved with some shady shit in gain-of-function research and has a dubious history that most Americans don't know about regarding viruses.

I'm not going to justify any of his pardons. But you either give a President the power of pardoning whoever they want or you don't give them the power at all. I know some Presidental pardons were warranted in the past. But it also seems like it is expoited routinely too.

I'm really finding it difficult to be outraged about the pardons.

This is what they can't wrap their heads around. Not a peep out of them when Trump was selling pardons or pardoning political allies years ago, but Biden overreaches and now it's a problem. It's either stupidity or naivety, but those are the only options.

Has anyone claimed Biden’s pardons were illegal? I certainly haven’t. I think they’re unethical, but not illegal. Not to split to find a hair.

What I'm claiming y'all are silent when Republicans are egregiously corrupt yet jump around like howler monkeys when Dems do anything ethically questionable. Is it hypocrisy or ignorance?

And I can guarantee a couple of you will see this and interpret it as advocating for Dems all while I've never done anything but shit on them for being spineless controlled opposition.

We’ve provided specific examples of pardons that Biden made that are suspect. Fauci being one of them. Have you provided one specific example of a Republican pardon? Yes you provided a link to the list. But which one of them or ones of them do you specifically object to?

[Burn1dwn]

Umm Fucking Richard Nixon.

[Burn1dwn]

If you can pardon a President that was caught red handed, you can pardon anyone.

I would rather see pardons used exclusively on unfair sentences whether they be from mandatory sentencing guidelines or shaky (or new) evidence.

Using them for politics or protection for your Allies is wrong period. But....it's the system we have.

Charles Kushner was pardoned by Trump and now he is up for an Ambassador position. And he was convicted.

[stonedmegman]

You all should be thankful that you got to see the world before it took a shit.

[Geist]

Burn, there is also the juicy preemptive pardon of Fauci.
We all know Fauci was involved with some shady shit in gain-of-function research and has a dubious history that most Americans don't know about regarding viruses.

I'm not going to justify any of his pardons. But you either give a President the power of pardoning whoever they want or you don't give them the power at all. I know some Presidental pardons were warranted in the past. But it also seems like it is expoited routinely too.

I'm really finding it difficult to be outraged about the pardons.

This is what they can't wrap their heads around. Not a peep out of them when Trump was selling pardons or pardoning political allies years ago, but Biden overreaches and now it's a problem. It's either stupidity or naivety, but those are the only options.

Has anyone claimed Biden’s pardons were illegal? I certainly haven’t. I think they’re unethical, but not illegal. Not to split to find a hair.

What I'm claiming y'all are silent when Republicans are egregiously corrupt yet jump around like howler monkeys when Dems do anything ethically questionable. Is it hypocrisy or ignorance?

And I can guarantee a couple of you will see this and interpret it as advocating for Dems all while I've never done anything but shit on them for being spineless controlled opposition.

We’ve provided specific examples of pardons that Biden made that are suspect. Fauci being one of them. Have you provided one specific example of a Republican pardon? Yes you provided a link to the list. But which one of them or ones of them do you specifically object to?

Don’t even need to bring up the patently corrupt pardoning of Jared’s dad to make a list of complete scumbags handed pardons and commutations for self and party serving purposes:

Rod Blagojevich – found guilty on 17 counts related to selling Obama’s senate seat and extorting taxpayers. Wonder why Trump wouldn’t take issue with political offices being sold…

Joe Arpaio – Convicted of criminal intent for violating court orders and destroying evidence that could be used against him. Party of law and order, y’all

Dinesh D’Souza – Convicted of making illegal campaign contributions AKA bribing politicians ineffectively. Again, another pardon that’s completely about sending a message.

Paul Manafort – Trump’s Russian connection. I know I know, you all get your news from memes and think nothing happened with Russia. Meanwhile in reality, Manafort provided internal polling data to an officer with the FSB which was later used in an geo-targeted disinformation campaign. Was Russiagate what the media made it out to be? Nope. Did it happened? You’re free to be wrong but elements of the Trump campaign factually colluded with Russian intelligence. But you’re right, I’m sure this was just a Dem conspiracy backed by lifelong libcuck Republican Robert Mueller.

Michael Flynn – Another on Trump’s team working on behalf of a foreign government to conduct a kidnapping on American soil. Pardoned because it’s all about who you know.

Roger Stone – Convicted of obstructing justice and witness tampering, all for the benefit of Trump and his campaign. Sentence commuted because Stone knows where bodies are buried.

Phil Esformes – Convicted in a $1.3B Medicare fraud scheme on 20 felony counts. Not pardoned but his 20 year sentences was commuted by Trump. I wonder how a fraudster with a history and means of bribery got the ear of dear commander to release him because he’s “devoted to prayer and in failing health”.

Clint Lorance – turned in by his own men, court martialed, and convicted of murder for ordering his men to kill unarmed civilians in Afghanistan. Pardoned for messaging purposes to The Base.

Stephanie Mohn and Mark Brugman – Both convicted under deprivation of rights charges, just more messaging sent to bootlicking base that law enforcement is a protected class.

David Tamman – Another convicted fraudster found supporting a Ponzi scheme. Pardoned because financial crimes aren’t crimes according to the party of law & order

Ed Henry, Salomen Melgen, Thad Bereday, William Kale, Paul Behrens, Todd Farha, Pete Clay – all tried and convicted Medicare fraudsters pardoned by your boy. Of course the party who accepts Rick Scott with open arms would applaud this.

I’m not claiming Biden pardoning his son preemptively is a good thing. All these HB trials and the best you could do was a tax charge and a gun charge that would’ve never stuck on appeal, Ol’ Joe is rightfully worried that brigade isn’t over. Trump knows that y’all are easily led around by the nose and as long as Hunter dominates the headlines, that’s space taken up and air wasted that’s not being used against the red team. It rings completely hollow when you people ceaselessly talk about the Bidens taking in salaries for access when that’s been the game of both parties since time immemorial, except y'all will trip over 10 corrupt Reps to point a feeble finger at a Dem and it’s just pathetic.

[Geist]

As far as Fauci, he's a weasel who will keep escaping justice and I'm not convinced Trump would be able to hold him accountable either. The US is covering up its role in the virology lab in Wuhan because the US and China are the ones liable for the COVID outbreak and subsequent shit show. What I'm proposing is the US govt has bipartisan interest in not actually going down that road.