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Re: Democrat/Socialist Movement-Have We Arrived?

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AnalHamster wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2019 5:18 pm
necronomous wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2019 4:55 pm
AnalHamster wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2019 4:47 pm
necronomous wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2019 4:30 pm
AnalHamster wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2019 4:18 pm
PopcornSutton wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2019 3:53 pm If there were irrefutable proof that Trump was involved with manipulating the election results, he would not be in office. It hasn't happened. There is also records of the DNC and Russian involvement, they haven't been charged either. There is as much speculation on the democratic side as there is on the republican side. Actually I think there is more evidence against the dems involved, but again, nothing has happened. Nobody has been charged, nobody is in jail, and it doesn't look like there will be.

What would the media do if to weren't for churning this shit?
Actually lots were charged and a bunch went to jail on the chump team for their coverup attempts, the Russian GRU agents were just indicted as Russia won't hand them over. The question I asked you was are you capable of recognising the established fact that there was russian interference in the 2016 election?
Not for collusion
Collusion isn't a crime, they went to jail mostly for attempting to cover up their collusion.
Not really
The trump associates who went down mostly lied about their foreign contacts. Would you like to go through the guilty pleas?
Go for it
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Re: Democrat/Socialist Movement-Have We Arrived?

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necronomous wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2019 5:32 pm
AnalHamster wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2019 5:21 pm
necronomous wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2019 4:58 pm
AnalHamster wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2019 4:46 pm
necronomous wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2019 4:28 pm
AnalHamster wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2019 3:44 pm I'm establishing that the campaign colluded with the Russian election interference. The email exchange setting up the meeting explicitly stated it was with someone claiming to be from the Russian government and wanting to help. Are you going to pretend that this is not a clear example of collusion?
continue
The continuation would be you answering the question I just asked. You accept russians were interfering in the election, does going to a meeting billed as being with someone from the russian government who wants to help with the election constitute an example of collusion with the attempt?

If you don't think going to meet someone from the russian government who wants to help constitutes colluding with their interference attempts, then we need to take it back a notch and cover what words mean.
Stop acting like everyone is a fucking moron. I know what collusion means. If you think you have proof that Trump himself colluded, present it.
OK, so if you know what collusion means, and you accept the russians interfered in the election, and you grasp that this meeting was knowingly set in order to meet with someone claiming to be from the russian government who wanted to help with the election, then it was an example of... ?

I am establishing exactly what I said from the start I would, collusion between the trump campaign and the Russian interference campaign. Is the impulse to run away overwhelming you?
I've never run away. You've never made a cogent point. And I didn't say Trump campaign, I said Trump.
I said Trump campaign. If you admit you can recognise this clear example of collusion, I will move on to Trump himself if you like. If you expose yourself as a shill there wouldn't appear to be much point. So can you recognise collusion between the trump campaign and the russian interference? They went to a meeting with someone claiming to be a russian government rep who wanted to help with the campaign. If you want to claim that is not an example of collusion, grow a pair and say so.
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Re: Democrat/Socialist Movement-Have We Arrived?

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necronomous wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2019 5:32 pm
AnalHamster wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2019 5:18 pm
necronomous wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2019 4:55 pm
AnalHamster wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2019 4:47 pm
necronomous wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2019 4:30 pm
AnalHamster wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2019 4:18 pm Actually lots were charged and a bunch went to jail on the chump team for their coverup attempts, the Russian GRU agents were just indicted as Russia won't hand them over. The question I asked you was are you capable of recognising the established fact that there was russian interference in the 2016 election?
Not for collusion
Collusion isn't a crime, they went to jail mostly for attempting to cover up their collusion.
Not really
The trump associates who went down mostly lied about their foreign contacts. Would you like to go through the guilty pleas?
Go for it
Let's start with an easy one shall we. George Popadopolous was interviewed by the FBI about contacts between Russia and the Trump campaign. He lied to the FBI to cover up those contacts and plead guilty. Are you capable of admitting that is true?
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Re: Democrat/Socialist Movement-Have We Arrived?

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AnalHamster wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2019 5:48 pm
necronomous wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2019 5:32 pm
AnalHamster wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2019 5:21 pm
necronomous wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2019 4:58 pm
AnalHamster wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2019 4:46 pm
necronomous wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2019 4:28 pm continue
The continuation would be you answering the question I just asked. You accept russians were interfering in the election, does going to a meeting billed as being with someone from the russian government who wants to help with the election constitute an example of collusion with the attempt?

If you don't think going to meet someone from the russian government who wants to help constitutes colluding with their interference attempts, then we need to take it back a notch and cover what words mean.
Stop acting like everyone is a fucking moron. I know what collusion means. If you think you have proof that Trump himself colluded, present it.
OK, so if you know what collusion means, and you accept the russians interfered in the election, and you grasp that this meeting was knowingly set in order to meet with someone claiming to be from the russian government who wanted to help with the election, then it was an example of... ?

I am establishing exactly what I said from the start I would, collusion between the trump campaign and the Russian interference campaign. Is the impulse to run away overwhelming you?
I've never run away. You've never made a cogent point. And I didn't say Trump campaign, I said Trump.
I said Trump campaign. If you admit you can recognise this clear example of collusion, I will move on to Trump himself if you like. If you expose yourself as a shill there wouldn't appear to be much point. So can you recognise collusion between the trump campaign and the russian interference? They went to a meeting with someone claiming to be a russian government rep who wanted to help with the campaign. If you want to claim that is not an example of collusion, grow a pair and say so.
So still no evidence against Trump. If you have that, that's what I asked for. You can make all the big speeches you want about shill this and that. I give a rats piddly about your chest pounding bullshit. So say your shit or don't, I don't care. All this grandstanding crap is pathetic. Just present your fucking case. Or don't.
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Re: Democrat/Socialist Movement-Have We Arrived?

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necronomous wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2019 6:17 pm
AnalHamster wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2019 5:48 pm
necronomous wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2019 5:32 pm
AnalHamster wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2019 5:21 pm
necronomous wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2019 4:58 pm
AnalHamster wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2019 4:46 pm The continuation would be you answering the question I just asked. You accept russians were interfering in the election, does going to a meeting billed as being with someone from the russian government who wants to help with the election constitute an example of collusion with the attempt?

If you don't think going to meet someone from the russian government who wants to help constitutes colluding with their interference attempts, then we need to take it back a notch and cover what words mean.
Stop acting like everyone is a fucking moron. I know what collusion means. If you think you have proof that Trump himself colluded, present it.
OK, so if you know what collusion means, and you accept the russians interfered in the election, and you grasp that this meeting was knowingly set in order to meet with someone claiming to be from the russian government who wanted to help with the election, then it was an example of... ?

I am establishing exactly what I said from the start I would, collusion between the trump campaign and the Russian interference campaign. Is the impulse to run away overwhelming you?
I've never run away. You've never made a cogent point. And I didn't say Trump campaign, I said Trump.
I said Trump campaign. If you admit you can recognise this clear example of collusion, I will move on to Trump himself if you like. If you expose yourself as a shill there wouldn't appear to be much point. So can you recognise collusion between the trump campaign and the russian interference? They went to a meeting with someone claiming to be a russian government rep who wanted to help with the campaign. If you want to claim that is not an example of collusion, grow a pair and say so.
So still no evidence against Trump. If you have that, that's what I asked for. You can make all the big speeches you want about shill this and that. I give a rats piddly about your chest pounding bullshit. So say your shit or don't, I don't care. All this grandstanding crap is pathetic. Just present your fucking case. Or don't.
Dude, you are currently denying that meeting someone stating they are a Russian government lawyer who wants to give you information from the Russian government about the campaign constitutes collusion with their attempts to influence the campaign. That basically ends the discussion. There is no possible avenue for you to admit the possibility of recognising reality when you are so sold out that you have to deny that.
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Re: Democrat/Socialist Movement-Have We Arrived?

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AnalHamster wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2019 6:21 pm
necronomous wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2019 6:17 pm
AnalHamster wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2019 5:48 pm
necronomous wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2019 5:32 pm
AnalHamster wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2019 5:21 pm
necronomous wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2019 4:58 pm Stop acting like everyone is a fucking moron. I know what collusion means. If you think you have proof that Trump himself colluded, present it.
OK, so if you know what collusion means, and you accept the russians interfered in the election, and you grasp that this meeting was knowingly set in order to meet with someone claiming to be from the russian government who wanted to help with the election, then it was an example of... ?

I am establishing exactly what I said from the start I would, collusion between the trump campaign and the Russian interference campaign. Is the impulse to run away overwhelming you?
I've never run away. You've never made a cogent point. And I didn't say Trump campaign, I said Trump.
I said Trump campaign. If you admit you can recognise this clear example of collusion, I will move on to Trump himself if you like. If you expose yourself as a shill there wouldn't appear to be much point. So can you recognise collusion between the trump campaign and the russian interference? They went to a meeting with someone claiming to be a russian government rep who wanted to help with the campaign. If you want to claim that is not an example of collusion, grow a pair and say so.
So still no evidence against Trump. If you have that, that's what I asked for. You can make all the big speeches you want about shill this and that. I give a rats piddly about your chest pounding bullshit. So say your shit or don't, I don't care. All this grandstanding crap is pathetic. Just present your fucking case. Or don't.
Dude, you are currently denying that meeting someone stating they are a Russian government lawyer who wants to give you information from the Russian government about the campaign constitutes collusion with their attempts to influence the campaign. That basically ends the discussion. There is no possible avenue for you to admit the possibility of recognising reality when you are so sold out that you have to deny that.
I've denied nothing you dip. I asked you to prove Trump was involved himself. Not his campaign. You're failing to do so. If you can't do it, fine. Pound your chest away.
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Re: Democrat/Socialist Movement-Have We Arrived?

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necronomous wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2019 6:29 pm
AnalHamster wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2019 6:21 pm
necronomous wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2019 6:17 pm
AnalHamster wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2019 5:48 pm
necronomous wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2019 5:32 pm
AnalHamster wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2019 5:21 pm OK, so if you know what collusion means, and you accept the russians interfered in the election, and you grasp that this meeting was knowingly set in order to meet with someone claiming to be from the russian government who wanted to help with the election, then it was an example of... ?

I am establishing exactly what I said from the start I would, collusion between the trump campaign and the Russian interference campaign. Is the impulse to run away overwhelming you?
I've never run away. You've never made a cogent point. And I didn't say Trump campaign, I said Trump.
I said Trump campaign. If you admit you can recognise this clear example of collusion, I will move on to Trump himself if you like. If you expose yourself as a shill there wouldn't appear to be much point. So can you recognise collusion between the trump campaign and the russian interference? They went to a meeting with someone claiming to be a russian government rep who wanted to help with the campaign. If you want to claim that is not an example of collusion, grow a pair and say so.
So still no evidence against Trump. If you have that, that's what I asked for. You can make all the big speeches you want about shill this and that. I give a rats piddly about your chest pounding bullshit. So say your shit or don't, I don't care. All this grandstanding crap is pathetic. Just present your fucking case. Or don't.
Dude, you are currently denying that meeting someone stating they are a Russian government lawyer who wants to give you information from the Russian government about the campaign constitutes collusion with their attempts to influence the campaign. That basically ends the discussion. There is no possible avenue for you to admit the possibility of recognising reality when you are so sold out that you have to deny that.
I've denied nothing you dip. I asked you to prove Trump was involved himself. Not his campaign. You're failing to do so. If you can't do it, fine. Pound your chest away.
Well it is true you don't dare deny that meeting a Russian government lawyer to discuss Russian government interference in an election constitutes collusion with that interference, but that just shows you are a coward, a liar, and not capable of an honest discussing on the topic. Unsurprising.
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Re: Democrat/Socialist Movement-Have We Arrived?

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necronomous wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2019 6:29 pm
AnalHamster wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2019 6:21 pm
necronomous wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2019 6:17 pm
AnalHamster wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2019 5:48 pm
necronomous wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2019 5:32 pm
AnalHamster wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2019 5:21 pm OK, so if you know what collusion means, and you accept the russians interfered in the election, and you grasp that this meeting was knowingly set in order to meet with someone claiming to be from the russian government who wanted to help with the election, then it was an example of... ?

I am establishing exactly what I said from the start I would, collusion between the trump campaign and the Russian interference campaign. Is the impulse to run away overwhelming you?
I've never run away. You've never made a cogent point. And I didn't say Trump campaign, I said Trump.
I said Trump campaign. If you admit you can recognise this clear example of collusion, I will move on to Trump himself if you like. If you expose yourself as a shill there wouldn't appear to be much point. So can you recognise collusion between the trump campaign and the russian interference? They went to a meeting with someone claiming to be a russian government rep who wanted to help with the campaign. If you want to claim that is not an example of collusion, grow a pair and say so.
So still no evidence against Trump. If you have that, that's what I asked for. You can make all the big speeches you want about shill this and that. I give a rats piddly about your chest pounding bullshit. So say your shit or don't, I don't care. All this grandstanding crap is pathetic. Just present your fucking case. Or don't.
Dude, you are currently denying that meeting someone stating they are a Russian government lawyer who wants to give you information from the Russian government about the campaign constitutes collusion with their attempts to influence the campaign. That basically ends the discussion. There is no possible avenue for you to admit the possibility of recognising reality when you are so sold out that you have to deny that.
I've denied nothing you dip. I asked you to prove Trump was involved himself. Not his campaign. You're failing to do so. If you can't do it, fine. Pound your chest away.
Hammy, grow a sack and admit defeat. Jesus Christ, you are about the only pussy on this board that can't handle it. You afraid of your anonymous reputation?
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Re: Democrat/Socialist Movement-Have We Arrived?

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necronomous wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2019 11:20 am
VinceBordenIII wrote: Wed Oct 09, 2019 5:57 pm
Stapes wrote: Wed Oct 09, 2019 3:46 pm As soon as I read the words Deep State I know I'm reading fecal matter from the conspiracy latrines of 4chan. Fuck off
Do you think there are not entrenched bureaucrats in government and assorted NGOs and such who think they own and run the government? Do you not think senior FBI officials represent the deep state, ie, their own aims and interpretation of what should be?
That’s like saying lobbyists do not try to influence government, or special interests, or political parties. Of course they do. They don’t have to meet at Denny’s to conspire.
Funny how they don't believe in the deep state "conspiracy" but believe the Russian collusion conspiracy. So yes they believe in such things, just not when it's bad for their side.
That's because there's proof the Russians tried to interfere with our elections, and the deep state mostly exists in your and the Chumper's and right wing nutters tiny minds.
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Re: Democrat/Socialist Movement-Have We Arrived?

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PimpDaddy wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2019 6:48 pm
necronomous wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2019 6:29 pm
AnalHamster wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2019 6:21 pm
necronomous wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2019 6:17 pm
AnalHamster wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2019 5:48 pm
necronomous wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2019 5:32 pm I've never run away. You've never made a cogent point. And I didn't say Trump campaign, I said Trump.
I said Trump campaign. If you admit you can recognise this clear example of collusion, I will move on to Trump himself if you like. If you expose yourself as a shill there wouldn't appear to be much point. So can you recognise collusion between the trump campaign and the russian interference? They went to a meeting with someone claiming to be a russian government rep who wanted to help with the campaign. If you want to claim that is not an example of collusion, grow a pair and say so.
So still no evidence against Trump. If you have that, that's what I asked for. You can make all the big speeches you want about shill this and that. I give a rats piddly about your chest pounding bullshit. So say your shit or don't, I don't care. All this grandstanding crap is pathetic. Just present your fucking case. Or don't.
Dude, you are currently denying that meeting someone stating they are a Russian government lawyer who wants to give you information from the Russian government about the campaign constitutes collusion with their attempts to influence the campaign. That basically ends the discussion. There is no possible avenue for you to admit the possibility of recognising reality when you are so sold out that you have to deny that.
I've denied nothing you dip. I asked you to prove Trump was involved himself. Not his campaign. You're failing to do so. If you can't do it, fine. Pound your chest away.
Hammy, grow a sack and admit defeat. Jesus Christ, you are about the only pussy on this board that can't handle it. You afraid of your anonymous reputation?
Defeat on what?
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I'm not seeing any defeat here, other than the standard nutters response "I won" with no rational explanation for that belief.

P.S. And this "non-discussion and non-debate" is over.
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AnalHamster wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2019 4:18 pm
PopcornSutton wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2019 3:53 pm If there were irrefutable proof that Trump was involved with manipulating the election results, he would not be in office. It hasn't happened. There is also records of the DNC and Russian involvement, they haven't been charged either. There is as much speculation on the democratic side as there is on the republican side. Actually I think there is more evidence against the dems involved, but again, nothing has happened. Nobody has been charged, nobody is in jail, and it doesn't look like there will be.

What would the media do if to weren't for churning this shit?
Actually lots were charged and a bunch went to jail on the chump team for their coverup attempts, the Russian GRU agents were just indicted as Russia won't hand them over. The question I asked you was are you capable of recognising the established fact that there was russian interference in the 2016 election?
First, name who has gone to jail. Second, if there was russian interference "of fact", charges would have been issued. I'm not taking your word just because you say it's "fact".
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PopcornSutton wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2019 7:09 pm
AnalHamster wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2019 4:18 pm
PopcornSutton wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2019 3:53 pm If there were irrefutable proof that Trump was involved with manipulating the election results, he would not be in office. It hasn't happened. There is also records of the DNC and Russian involvement, they haven't been charged either. There is as much speculation on the democratic side as there is on the republican side. Actually I think there is more evidence against the dems involved, but again, nothing has happened. Nobody has been charged, nobody is in jail, and it doesn't look like there will be.

What would the media do if to weren't for churning this shit?
Actually lots were charged and a bunch went to jail on the chump team for their coverup attempts, the Russian GRU agents were just indicted as Russia won't hand them over. The question I asked you was are you capable of recognising the established fact that there was russian interference in the 2016 election?
First, name who has gone to jail. Second, if there was russian interference "of fact", charges would have been issued. I'm not taking your word just because you say it's "fact".
What? Are you saying you are so far down the delusion hole you genuinely can't determine for yourself that anyone went to prison behind the Mueller investigation? Because that is delusion to the point of insanity. George popadopolous is an example already raised of one who went to jail. There are more, but at this point I'm just trying to determine your level of sanity..
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FSchmertz wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2019 6:49 pm
necronomous wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2019 11:20 am
VinceBordenIII wrote: Wed Oct 09, 2019 5:57 pm
Stapes wrote: Wed Oct 09, 2019 3:46 pm As soon as I read the words Deep State I know I'm reading fecal matter from the conspiracy latrines of 4chan. Fuck off
Do you think there are not entrenched bureaucrats in government and assorted NGOs and such who think they own and run the government? Do you not think senior FBI officials represent the deep state, ie, their own aims and interpretation of what should be?
That’s like saying lobbyists do not try to influence government, or special interests, or political parties. Of course they do. They don’t have to meet at Denny’s to conspire.
Funny how they don't believe in the deep state "conspiracy" but believe the Russian collusion conspiracy. So yes they believe in such things, just not when it's bad for their side.
That's because there's proof the Russians tried to interfere with our elections, and the deep state mostly exists in your and the Chumper's and right wing nutters tiny minds.
Interference is not collusion
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There is no video and 20 eye witnesses of trump so in their eyes it didn't happen. Cause everybody knows the underlings act without the bosses consent
I blame Biker.
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AnalHamster wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2019 6:40 pm
necronomous wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2019 6:29 pm
AnalHamster wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2019 6:21 pm
necronomous wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2019 6:17 pm
AnalHamster wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2019 5:48 pm
necronomous wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2019 5:32 pm I've never run away. You've never made a cogent point. And I didn't say Trump campaign, I said Trump.
I said Trump campaign. If you admit you can recognise this clear example of collusion, I will move on to Trump himself if you like. If you expose yourself as a shill there wouldn't appear to be much point. So can you recognise collusion between the trump campaign and the russian interference? They went to a meeting with someone claiming to be a russian government rep who wanted to help with the campaign. If you want to claim that is not an example of collusion, grow a pair and say so.
So still no evidence against Trump. If you have that, that's what I asked for. You can make all the big speeches you want about shill this and that. I give a rats piddly about your chest pounding bullshit. So say your shit or don't, I don't care. All this grandstanding crap is pathetic. Just present your fucking case. Or don't.
Dude, you are currently denying that meeting someone stating they are a Russian government lawyer who wants to give you information from the Russian government about the campaign constitutes collusion with their attempts to influence the campaign. That basically ends the discussion. There is no possible avenue for you to admit the possibility of recognising reality when you are so sold out that you have to deny that.
I've denied nothing you dip. I asked you to prove Trump was involved himself. Not his campaign. You're failing to do so. If you can't do it, fine. Pound your chest away.
Well it is true you don't dare deny that meeting a Russian government lawyer to discuss Russian government interference in an election constitutes collusion with that interference, but that just shows you are a coward, a liar, and not capable of an honest discussing on the topic. Unsurprising.
I'm just waiting for proof of trump collusion. That's what I asked for, you said you would provide. I'm just waiting for the evidence. Say whatever the fuck you want about me, that doesn't prove anything sir strawman. If you have proof Trump himself colluded, go for it, I'm listening, otherwise you haven't proved what I asked. I didn't deny what you said, I just asked you to continue, you refused for some made up bullshit. Fine. Like I said, do or don't, it's whatever.
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Stapes wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2019 7:32 pm There is no video and 20 eye witnesses of trump so in their eyes it didn't happen. Cause everybody knows the underlings act without the bosses consent
I didn't say that didn't happen, I asked, do you have proof? Why, because when you make a case against someone, you have to have that to convict them. Unless of course it's the way a lot of cases are handled and just convict people on bullshit. You need actual proof. It's prove beyond a reasonable doubt, not hey jury, connect the dots and do the detective work on your own. So where's the actual proof that you think will actually convict him.
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FSchmertz wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2019 6:55 pm I'm not seeing any defeat here, other than the standard nutters response "I won" with no rational explanation for that belief.

P.S. And this "non-discussion and non-debate" is over.
I didn't say I won anything. I asked for proof of trump collusion. I'm still waiting.
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Stapes wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2019 7:32 pm There is no video and 20 eye witnesses of trump so in their eyes it didn't happen. Cause everybody knows the underlings act without the bosses consent
That worked for Mafia bosses too!

P.S. Wait....
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Re: Democrat/Socialist Movement-Have We Arrived?

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AnalHamster wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2019 7:26 pm
PopcornSutton wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2019 7:09 pm
AnalHamster wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2019 4:18 pm
PopcornSutton wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2019 3:53 pm If there were irrefutable proof that Trump was involved with manipulating the election results, he would not be in office. It hasn't happened. There is also records of the DNC and Russian involvement, they haven't been charged either. There is as much speculation on the democratic side as there is on the republican side. Actually I think there is more evidence against the dems involved, but again, nothing has happened. Nobody has been charged, nobody is in jail, and it doesn't look like there will be.

What would the media do if to weren't for churning this shit?
Actually lots were charged and a bunch went to jail on the chump team for their coverup attempts, the Russian GRU agents were just indicted as Russia won't hand them over. The question I asked you was are you capable of recognising the established fact that there was russian interference in the 2016 election?
First, name who has gone to jail. Second, if there was russian interference "of fact", charges would have been issued. I'm not taking your word just because you say it's "fact".
What? Are you saying you are so far down the delusion hole you genuinely can't determine for yourself that anyone went to prison behind the Mueller investigation? Because that is delusion to the point of insanity. George popadopolous is an example already raised of one who went to jail. There are more, but at this point I'm just trying to determine your level of sanity..
Oh boy, he served 12 days and is out on probation of sorts. He lied, he brought it on himself. Cohen did the same thing. Where are the people that were caught, convicted of an actual crime and went to jail? At this point, I believe you have no objectivity at all, the only thing that drives you is the "never trump" syndrome. He
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Re: Democrat/Socialist Movement-Have We Arrived?

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I'm not even saying he didn't collude, I just want the proof.
This is essentially the conversation with AH:
Me: Well can you prove you can make tea?
AH: Yeah, easily.
Me: ok go for it.
AH: Ok first I have to prove I can make coffee.
Me: ah ok? (Thinking it will lead to how to make tea giving him the benefit of the doubt.)
AH: *describes how to make coffee* is that how you make it? Tell me you agree with that.
Me: just tell me how it leads to making tea.
AH :IS THAT HOW YOU MAKE COFFEE!!
Me: What's this have to do with tea?
AH: See I proved I can make coffee and you don't want to admit it. You're a coward and a liar and just a tea (see what I did there) follower and can't admit that what is abundantly clear that I can make coffee. There's no point going any further because you are just a Orange pekoe tea'er and won't listen to anything else.
Me: Just how do you make tea?
Stapes: See, if there's no evidence you can make tea, obviously you can't make tea. /s As if telling you how to make coffee isn't enough.
Me: then just say how to make tea. Not coffee. Tea. That's it.
FS: Tea drinkers can never have enough proof about coffee being made.

Me: Ah.....
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Re: Democrat/Socialist Movement-Have We Arrived?

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necronomous wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2019 11:10 pm I'm not even saying he didn't collude, I just want the proof.
This is essentially the conversation with AH:
Me: Well can you prove you can make tea?
AH: Yeah, easily.
Me: ok go for it.
AH: Ok first I have to prove I can make coffee.
Me: ah ok? (Thinking it will lead to how to make tea giving him the benefit of the doubt.)
AH: *describes how to make coffee* is that how you make it? Tell me you agree with that.
Me: just tell me how it leads to making tea.
AH :IS THAT HOW YOU MAKE COFFEE!!
Me: What's this have to do with tea?
AH: See I proved I can make coffee and you don't want to admit it. You're a coward and a liar and just a tea (see what I did there) follower and can't admit that what is abundantly clear that I can make coffee. There's no point going any further because you are just a Orange pekoe tea'er and won't listen to anything else.
Me: Just how do you make tea?
Stapes: See, if there's no evidence you can make tea, obviously you can't make tea. /s As if telling you how to make coffee isn't enough.
Me: then just say how to make tea. Not coffee. Tea. That's it.
FS: Tea drinkers can never have enough proof about coffee being made.

Me: Ah.....
That was pretty good :lol:
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Re: Democrat/Socialist Movement-Have We Arrived?

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necronomous wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2019 7:34 pm
AnalHamster wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2019 6:40 pm
necronomous wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2019 6:29 pm
AnalHamster wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2019 6:21 pm
necronomous wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2019 6:17 pm
AnalHamster wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2019 5:48 pm I said Trump campaign. If you admit you can recognise this clear example of collusion, I will move on to Trump himself if you like. If you expose yourself as a shill there wouldn't appear to be much point. So can you recognise collusion between the trump campaign and the russian interference? They went to a meeting with someone claiming to be a russian government rep who wanted to help with the campaign. If you want to claim that is not an example of collusion, grow a pair and say so.
So still no evidence against Trump. If you have that, that's what I asked for. You can make all the big speeches you want about shill this and that. I give a rats piddly about your chest pounding bullshit. So say your shit or don't, I don't care. All this grandstanding crap is pathetic. Just present your fucking case. Or don't.
Dude, you are currently denying that meeting someone stating they are a Russian government lawyer who wants to give you information from the Russian government about the campaign constitutes collusion with their attempts to influence the campaign. That basically ends the discussion. There is no possible avenue for you to admit the possibility of recognising reality when you are so sold out that you have to deny that.
I've denied nothing you dip. I asked you to prove Trump was involved himself. Not his campaign. You're failing to do so. If you can't do it, fine. Pound your chest away.
Well it is true you don't dare deny that meeting a Russian government lawyer to discuss Russian government interference in an election constitutes collusion with that interference, but that just shows you are a coward, a liar, and not capable of an honest discussing on the topic. Unsurprising.
I'm just waiting for proof of trump collusion. That's what I asked for, you said you would provide. I'm just waiting for the evidence. Say whatever the fuck you want about me, that doesn't prove anything sir strawman. If you have proof Trump himself colluded, go for it, I'm listening, otherwise you haven't proved what I asked. I didn't deny what you said, I just asked you to continue, you refused for some made up bullshit. Fine. Like I said, do or don't, it's whatever.
I have started with proof of trump campaign collusion, you appear able to recognise it since you have gone into run away mode, I'm going to establish if you can admit recognising it. We can move on to examples of trump personal collusion, but first you are required to either admit I have given you a blatant example of collusion, or admit you will not call anything collusion under any circumstances, in which case why bother.

The son, son in law and campaign manager met with someone claiming to be from the Russian government and wanting to help with the campaign. They took that meeting. Was this an example of colluding with the interference?

Why so afraid to answer?
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Re: Democrat/Socialist Movement-Have We Arrived?

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AnalHamster wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2019 11:35 am

The russkies did interfere in your campaign, the trump campaign did collude with them in doing so. It's not a conspiracy if it's real. Would you like to go through some examples of the collusion?
That's from the first page, so really the conversation is more like this -
necronomous wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2019 11:10 pm I'm not even saying he didn't collude, I just want the proof.
This is essentially the conversation with AH:

AH: Mueller proves trump campaign collusion, repeatedly
Me: Prove it
AH: Ok here you go
Me: waaaah! No! You have to prove trump personally did it while wearing a tutu and riding a rhinoceros! THat's what you said!
AH: umm, ok. Let's get to that after you admit I just demonstratraed trump campaign collusion as I said I would way back on page 1.
Me: waah derple can't admit that so must run away
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Re: Democrat/Socialist Movement-Have We Arrived?

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PopcornSutton wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2019 9:55 pm
AnalHamster wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2019 7:26 pm
PopcornSutton wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2019 7:09 pm
AnalHamster wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2019 4:18 pm
PopcornSutton wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2019 3:53 pm If there were irrefutable proof that Trump was involved with manipulating the election results, he would not be in office. It hasn't happened. There is also records of the DNC and Russian involvement, they haven't been charged either. There is as much speculation on the democratic side as there is on the republican side. Actually I think there is more evidence against the dems involved, but again, nothing has happened. Nobody has been charged, nobody is in jail, and it doesn't look like there will be.

What would the media do if to weren't for churning this shit?
Actually lots were charged and a bunch went to jail on the chump team for their coverup attempts, the Russian GRU agents were just indicted as Russia won't hand them over. The question I asked you was are you capable of recognising the established fact that there was russian interference in the 2016 election?
First, name who has gone to jail. Second, if there was russian interference "of fact", charges would have been issued. I'm not taking your word just because you say it's "fact".
What? Are you saying you are so far down the delusion hole you genuinely can't determine for yourself that anyone went to prison behind the Mueller investigation? Because that is delusion to the point of insanity. George popadopolous is an example already raised of one who went to jail. There are more, but at this point I'm just trying to determine your level of sanity..
Oh boy, he served 12 days and is out on probation of sorts. He lied, he brought it on himself. Cohen did the same thing. Where are the people that were caught, convicted of an actual crime and went to jail? At this point, I believe you have no objectivity at all, the only thing that drives you is the "never trump" syndrome. He
Yes, he lied about the contacts between the trump campaign and the russkies. You seem to be struggling with the concept that the coverup is the crime.
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