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Re: The typical Sanders supporter.....

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CaptQuint wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 4:40 pm https://www.thewrap.com/who-exactly-vid ... efe-25369/

"What he does isn't journalism," said Marty Kaplan, director of the Norman Lear Center at USC's Annenberg School for Communication. "It's agitpop, politi-punking, entrapment-entertainment. There is no responsible definition of journalism that includes what he does or how he does it. His success at luring his prey into harming themselves is a measure of how fallible and foolish anyone, including good people, can sometimes be."

If your journalistic technique is the lie, why should we believe anything you have to say?
Does he refer to himself as a journalist?
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necronomous wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 6:12 pm
CaptQuint wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 4:40 pm https://www.thewrap.com/who-exactly-vid ... efe-25369/

"What he does isn't journalism," said Marty Kaplan, director of the Norman Lear Center at USC's Annenberg School for Communication. "It's agitpop, politi-punking, entrapment-entertainment. There is no responsible definition of journalism that includes what he does or how he does it. His success at luring his prey into harming themselves is a measure of how fallible and foolish anyone, including good people, can sometimes be."

If your journalistic technique is the lie, why should we believe anything you have to say?
Does he refer to himself as a journalist?
Many people also argue Wikipedia (woops, Wikileaks) and Assange aren't journalists.
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C'mon folks. The only real and acceptable journalism is the kind that agrees with and confirms your already established perception. Life is much easier that way.
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CHEEZY17 wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 6:25 pm C'mon folks. The only real and acceptable journalism is the kind that agrees with and confirms your already established perception. Life is much easier that way.
O'Keefe admitted his journalism is shit in court.

On March 5, 2013, O'Keefe agreed to pay $100,000 to former California ACORN employee Juan Carlos Vera for deliberately misrepresenting Mr. Vera's actions, and acknowledged in the settlement that at the time he published his video he was unaware that Vera had notified the police about the incident. The settlement contained the following apology: "O'Keefe regrets any pain suffered by Mr. Vera or his family."

https://www.latimes.com/local/la-xpm-20 ... story.html


O'Keefe refers to himself as a "guerrilla journalist"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fed ... rc404=true

In July 2011, Dean Mills, the dean of the Missouri School of Journalism, compared O'Keefe to Michael Moore and said, "Some ethicists say it is never right for a journalist to deceive for any reason, but there are wrongs in the world that will never be exposed without some kind of subterfuge."

https://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/31/maga ... wanted=all

The Atlantic journalist Conor Friedersdorf responded that O'Keefe's "mortal sin" wasn't that he misled his subjects, but that he misled his audience by presenting his videos to the public in "less than honest ways that go far beyond normal 'selectivity.'"


https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/ar ... fe/242714/
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Re: The typical Sanders supporter.....

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beagleboy wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2020 6:52 pm
Stapes wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2020 6:46 pm
beagleboy wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2020 6:43 pm
Biker wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2020 6:37 pm
Stapes wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2020 6:33 pm I'm going to go out on a limb and say he isn't a "typical" Bernie supporter...….but you prove again you are a shit democrat....lol
Im more of a Democrat that Bernie is
No serious Democrat could ever support Bernie.
Why?
He only became a Democrat 4 years ago and is still to this day a member of another party. As Hillary said, he's a Russian asset who tried to undermine her candidacy after she won the nomination to make sure Trump would win. Many big names just last week within the party said he's trying to do the same thing he did 4 years ago. Hell, Tulsi the Russian asset supports the guy.

Only a Republican would pretend to support Bernie at this point.
Hey I'm still waiting for that link that quotes Hillary saying Bernie is a Russian asset. I'm sure you don't want SFW UJ to think you're a straight up fucking liar right?
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VinceBordenIII wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 2:57 pm
Wut wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 2:47 pm 70 years after the commie scares and you're still paranoid about commies.
Try to have a conversation. Do you think communism is bad? Destructive? Results in totalitarianism and death?
Sure, communism is bad, but there's no chance of it taking hold here. To me it's a simple go-to attack by righties for any social program that they disagree with. It's on par with claiming that someone is supporting our enemies if anyone objects to any military action.
wut?
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Wut wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 8:18 pm
VinceBordenIII wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 2:57 pm
Wut wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 2:47 pm 70 years after the commie scares and you're still paranoid about commies.
Try to have a conversation. Do you think communism is bad? Destructive? Results in totalitarianism and death?
Sure, communism is bad, but there's no chance of it taking hold here. To me it's a simple go-to attack by righties for any social program that they disagree with. It's on par with claiming that someone is supporting our enemies if anyone objects to any military action.
Communism and socialism aren't even close to the same thing. Only a troll implies the two are the same thing.
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beagleboy wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 8:34 pm
Wut wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 8:18 pm
VinceBordenIII wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 2:57 pm
Wut wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 2:47 pm 70 years after the commie scares and you're still paranoid about commies.
Try to have a conversation. Do you think communism is bad? Destructive? Results in totalitarianism and death?
Sure, communism is bad, but there's no chance of it taking hold here. To me it's a simple go-to attack by righties for any social program that they disagree with. It's on par with claiming that someone is supporting our enemies if anyone objects to any military action.
Communism and socialism aren't even close to the same thing. Only a troll implies the two are the same thing.
Correct, but one typically leads to the other.
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Re: The typical Sanders supporter.....

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CaptQuint wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 6:41 pm
CHEEZY17 wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 6:25 pm C'mon folks. The only real and acceptable journalism is the kind that agrees with and confirms your already established perception. Life is much easier that way.
O'Keefe admitted his journalism is shit in court.

On March 5, 2013, O'Keefe agreed to pay $100,000 to former California ACORN employee Juan Carlos Vera for deliberately misrepresenting Mr. Vera's actions, and acknowledged in the settlement that at the time he published his video he was unaware that Vera had notified the police about the incident. The settlement contained the following apology: "O'Keefe regrets any pain suffered by Mr. Vera or his family."

https://www.latimes.com/local/la-xpm-20 ... story.html


O'Keefe refers to himself as a "guerrilla journalist"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fed ... rc404=true

In July 2011, Dean Mills, the dean of the Missouri School of Journalism, compared O'Keefe to Michael Moore and said, "Some ethicists say it is never right for a journalist to deceive for any reason, but there are wrongs in the world that will never be exposed without some kind of subterfuge."

https://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/31/maga ... wanted=all

The Atlantic journalist Conor Friedersdorf responded that O'Keefe's "mortal sin" wasn't that he misled his subjects, but that he misled his audience by presenting his videos to the public in "less than honest ways that go far beyond normal 'selectivity.'"


https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/ar ... fe/242714/
He still seems to disagree.
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necronomous wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 8:49 pm Correct, but one typically leads to the other.
Not even close. Some communist countries become communist because of overly corrupt governments with dramatic disparity in wealth and the rest after a dramatic revolution of forceful change. Name a single country that slid from a significantly socialistic economy to Communism.

There are currently 5 communist countries in the world remaining and all went through civil wars to get there.
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beagleboy wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 9:02 pm
necronomous wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 8:49 pm Correct, but one typically leads to the other.
Not even close. Some communist countries become communist because of overly corrupt governments with dramatic disparity in wealth and the rest after a dramatic revolution of forceful change. Name a single country that slid from a significantly socialistic economy to Communism.

There are currently 5 communist countries in the world remaining and all went through civil wars to get there.
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Can someone please explain to the children the difference between democratic socialist countries and socialist/communist countries.
a lot of those Democratic socialist countries actually work for the people not just the elites and the corporations.
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Stapes wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:03 pm Can someone please explain to the children the difference between democratic socialist countries and socialist/communist countries.
a lot of those Democratic socialist countries actually work for the people not just the elites and the corporations.
Why bother? They don't deal in facts, just feelings.
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necronomous wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:15 pm
beagleboy wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 9:02 pm
necronomous wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 8:49 pm Correct, but one typically leads to the other.
Not even close. Some communist countries become communist because of overly corrupt governments with dramatic disparity in wealth and the rest after a dramatic revolution of forceful change. Name a single country that slid from a significantly socialistic economy to Communism.

There are currently 5 communist countries in the world remaining and all went through civil wars to get there.
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No. Try again.
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CaptQuint wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:05 pm
Stapes wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:03 pm Can someone please explain to the children the difference between democratic socialist countries and socialist/communist countries.
a lot of those Democratic socialist countries actually work for the people not just the elites and the corporations.
Why bother? They don't deal in facts, just feelings.
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Holy Fuck. From the guy who supports a party where many of its members believe that words are equivalent to assault or violence. :lol:
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I hate when the government bleeds private enterprise for the benefit of society instead of private enterprise bleeding their employees for their own benefit.
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CHEEZY17 wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:33 pm
CaptQuint wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:05 pm
Stapes wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:03 pm Can someone please explain to the children the difference between democratic socialist countries and socialist/communist countries.
a lot of those Democratic socialist countries actually work for the people not just the elites and the corporations.
Why bother? They don't deal in facts, just feelings.
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Holy Fuck. From the guy who supports a party where many of its members believe that words are equivalent to assault or violence. :lol:
Can you provide the link that quotes Hillary calling Bernie a Russian asset? Charlie made the claim without evidence
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CaptQuint wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:35 pm
CHEEZY17 wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:33 pm
CaptQuint wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:05 pm
Stapes wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:03 pm Can someone please explain to the children the difference between democratic socialist countries and socialist/communist countries.
a lot of those Democratic socialist countries actually work for the people not just the elites and the corporations.
Why bother? They don't deal in facts, just feelings.
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Holy Fuck. From the guy who supports a party where many of its members believe that words are equivalent to assault or violence. :lol:
Can you provide the link that quotes Hillary calling Bernie a Russian asset? Charlie made the claim without evidence
So why are you asking me? Do a Google. I am personally unaware of that. It does sound like something she might do, though. :lol:
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Biker wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:30 pm
Stapes wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:03 pm Can someone please explain to the children the difference between democratic socialist countries and socialist/communist countries.
a lot of those Democratic socialist countries actually work for the people not just the elites and the corporations.
Sure, Democratic Socialist countries are really capitalist countries bleeding private enterprise while socialist/commie countries are nations that control all facets of production, distribution, and innovation

All those "private enterprises" sure get a lot of government ball tickling.
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All those private farms with 10 Billion socialist dollars
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CHEEZY17 wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:39 pm
CaptQuint wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:35 pm
CHEEZY17 wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:33 pm
CaptQuint wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:05 pm
Stapes wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:03 pm Can someone please explain to the children the difference between democratic socialist countries and socialist/communist countries.
a lot of those Democratic socialist countries actually work for the people not just the elites and the corporations.
Why bother? They don't deal in facts, just feelings.
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Holy Fuck. From the guy who supports a party where many of its members believe that words are equivalent to assault or violence. :lol:
Can you provide the link that quotes Hillary calling Bernie a Russian asset? Charlie made the claim without evidence
So why are you asking me? Do a Google. I am personally unaware of that. It does sound like something she might do, though. :lol:
I thought you'd help your buddy bring the facts to light so it isn't just how he "feels"
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Biker wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:52 pm
Stapes wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:40 pm
Biker wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:30 pm
Stapes wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:03 pm Can someone please explain to the children the difference between democratic socialist countries and socialist/communist countries.
a lot of those Democratic socialist countries actually work for the people not just the elites and the corporations.
Sure, Democratic Socialist countries are really capitalist countries bleeding private enterprise while socialist/commie countries are nations that control all facets of production, distribution, and innovation

All those "private enterprises" sure get a lot of government ball tickling.
If thats your standard then the US is a DS country so you should already be as happy as pig in shit
But we don't get the decent pay universal healthcare PTO and all the good things that go along with Democratic-Socialism
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Don't rock the boat or you'll mess with Bikers stocks man. He's the Brazilian Gordon Gecko.
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Biker wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:58 pm
Stapes wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:57 pm Don't rock the boat or you'll mess with Bikers stocks man. He's the Brazilian Gordon Gecko.
That same stock market that your union invested and allowed you to retire in Florida
My 401k was managed by Fidelity and my weekly contributions....lol Not the union.
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Stapes wrote: Thu Jan 16, 2020 12:01 am
Biker wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:58 pm
Stapes wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:57 pm Don't rock the boat or you'll mess with Bikers stocks man. He's the Brazilian Gordon Gecko.
That same stock market that your union invested and allowed you to retire in Florida
My 401k was managed by Fidelity and my weekly contributions....lol Not the union.
You Bikers wrong again? Oh well

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