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necronomous wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 1:05 pm

Animal wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 2:14 pm

necronomous wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 1:05 pm

that's weird. because that's almost exactly what i have been saying to the anti-vaxxers.

necronomous wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 2:17 pm

Animal wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 2:14 pm

necronomous wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 1:05 pm

that's weird. because that's almost exactly what i have been saying to the anti-vaxxers.

Don't be silly. You're clearly discounting actual concerns. "Here be responsible and potentially inject something that can cause as many problems as it cures" is dishonest at best.

Animal wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 2:29 pm

necronomous wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 2:17 pm

Animal wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 2:14 pm

necronomous wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 1:05 pm

that's weird. because that's almost exactly what i have been saying to the anti-vaxxers.

Don't be silly. You're clearly discounting actual concerns. "Here be responsible and potentially inject something that can cause as many problems as it cures" is dishonest at best.

what milestone must be met for the positives of the vaccine to outweigh any possible negatives? As of right now over 4.3 billion doses have been given around the world.

Of that the reported adverse reactions are:

Anaphylaxis after COVID-19 vaccination is rare - 0.0005%
Thrombosis is rare. - 0.0003%
Guillain-Barré Syndrome (GBS) - 0.001%
Myocarditis and pericarditis are rare. - 0.00007%
Death - 0.0019% (these are all deaths of vaccinated people, regardless of the reason they died)

necronomous wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 5:54 pm

Animal wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 2:29 pm

necronomous wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 2:17 pm

Animal wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 2:14 pm

necronomous wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 1:05 pm

that's weird. because that's almost exactly what i have been saying to the anti-vaxxers.

Don't be silly. You're clearly discounting actual concerns. "Here be responsible and potentially inject something that can cause as many problems as it cures" is dishonest at best.

what milestone must be met for the positives of the vaccine to outweigh any possible negatives? As of right now over 4.3 billion doses have been given around the world.

Of that the reported adverse reactions are:

Anaphylaxis after COVID-19 vaccination is rare - 0.0005%
Thrombosis is rare. - 0.0003%
Guillain-Barré Syndrome (GBS) - 0.001%
Myocarditis and pericarditis are rare. - 0.00007%
Death - 0.0019% (these are all deaths of vaccinated people, regardless of the reason they died)

And the long term?

Animal wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 6:57 pm

necronomous wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 5:54 pm

Animal wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 2:29 pm

necronomous wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 2:17 pm

Animal wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 2:14 pm

necronomous wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 1:05 pm

that's weird. because that's almost exactly what i have been saying to the anti-vaxxers.

Don't be silly. You're clearly discounting actual concerns. "Here be responsible and potentially inject something that can cause as many problems as it cures" is dishonest at best.

what milestone must be met for the positives of the vaccine to outweigh any possible negatives? As of right now over 4.3 billion doses have been given around the world.

Of that the reported adverse reactions are:

Anaphylaxis after COVID-19 vaccination is rare - 0.0005%
Thrombosis is rare. - 0.0003%
Guillain-Barré Syndrome (GBS) - 0.001%
Myocarditis and pericarditis are rare. - 0.00007%
Death - 0.0019% (these are all deaths of vaccinated people, regardless of the reason they died)

And the long term?

since that is purely a hypothetical at this point, i would suspect that if Vegas was taking odds the odds would be somewhere in the vicinity of 0.0001%. Do you have some reason to think otherwise?

necronomous wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 9:16 pm Well, because the vaccine was rushed, the government is trying to mandate it, the CDC and other have floundered left and right, the government has lied about several things, the hospitals are getting paid to diagnose as covid and to give the vaccines....there are several reasons that it's possible that something is up with a rushed vaccine. Is there, probably not, but there are several reasons to be concerned. And there is no reason to get angry at people who are expressing those valid concerns, as it only creates more doubt about taking it.

Animal wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 9:24 pm

necronomous wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 9:16 pm Well, because the vaccine was rushed, the government is trying to mandate it, the CDC and other have floundered left and right, the government has lied about several things, the hospitals are getting paid to diagnose as covid and to give the vaccines....there are several reasons that it's possible that something is up with a rushed vaccine. Is there, probably not, but there are several reasons to be concerned. And there is no reason to get angry at people who are expressing those valid concerns, as it only creates more doubt about taking it.

so the list of reasons you think there might be long term health concerns are because:
1. it was rushed
2. the government is trying to mandate it.
3. the CDC has floundered left and right.
4. the government has lied about things.
5. hospitals are being paid to dignose Covid.
6. hospitals are being paid to give vaccines.

I sort of think you have let your political emotions interfere with logical thinking. The only one of those reasons that might really have any connection to a health risk would be that it was rushed.

necronomous wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 10:51 pm

Burn1dwn wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 11:00 pm

necronomous wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 10:51 pm

Dude has been bitter for years.

necronomous wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 9:28 pm I think if you can't see why it's trying to be forced on us for something that's barely worse than the flu, then I don't think you're thinking logically. Or how it's an incentive for hospitals to give a potential unnecessary vaccine to potentially people without the virus to begin with.

I also want to point out, I have gotten the shot. But I do understand the concerns.

Animal wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 11:02 pm

necronomous wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 9:28 pm I think if you can't see why it's trying to be forced on us for something that's barely worse than the flu, then I don't think you're thinking logically. Or how it's an incentive for hospitals to give a potential unnecessary vaccine to potentially people without the virus to begin with.

I also want to point out, I have gotten the shot. But I do understand the concerns.

so tell me why you think its trying to be forced on us.

because, to me its because there's a lot of people that feel like we can rid ourselves of the daily threat of this virus if enough people get vaccinated. obviously we won't rid of it around the globe until a large % of the globe is vaccinated.

but..... i believe that even when people come around with the virus it won't spread because with enough people vaccinated it won't have enough hosts to spread.

necronomous wrote: ↑Fri Aug 06, 2021 12:45 am

Animal wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 11:02 pm

necronomous wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 9:28 pm I think if you can't see why it's trying to be forced on us for something that's barely worse than the flu, then I don't think you're thinking logically. Or how it's an incentive for hospitals to give a potential unnecessary vaccine to potentially people without the virus to begin with.

I also want to point out, I have gotten the shot. But I do understand the concerns.

so tell me why you think its trying to be forced on us.

because, to me its because there's a lot of people that feel like we can rid ourselves of the daily threat of this virus if enough people get vaccinated. obviously we won't rid of it around the globe until a large % of the globe is vaccinated.

but..... i believe that even when people come around with the virus it won't spread because with enough people vaccinated it won't have enough hosts to spread.

Because they want to do mandates. Even the talk of it is wrong. Again, this isn't the bubonic plague or small pox, again, this is something that really isn't that deadly. I whole heartedly believe the numbers are inflated. We do not mandate the flu shots, why this? Because we think we can make it go away? It isn't going to. It's the new flu shot, and that in the end should be what it's going to mount to. But if they wanted to vaccinate more people, the way they went about it, was totally wrong. And the way you're recommending it, is just as wrong.

Animal wrote: ↑Fri Aug 06, 2021 1:29 am

necronomous wrote: ↑Fri Aug 06, 2021 12:45 am

Animal wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 11:02 pm

necronomous wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 9:28 pm I think if you can't see why it's trying to be forced on us for something that's barely worse than the flu, then I don't think you're thinking logically. Or how it's an incentive for hospitals to give a potential unnecessary vaccine to potentially people without the virus to begin with.

I also want to point out, I have gotten the shot. But I do understand the concerns.

so tell me why you think its trying to be forced on us.

because, to me its because there's a lot of people that feel like we can rid ourselves of the daily threat of this virus if enough people get vaccinated. obviously we won't rid of it around the globe until a large % of the globe is vaccinated.

but..... i believe that even when people come around with the virus it won't spread because with enough people vaccinated it won't have enough hosts to spread.

Because they want to do mandates. Even the talk of it is wrong. Again, this isn't the bubonic plague or small pox, again, this is something that really isn't that deadly. I whole heartedly believe the numbers are inflated. We do not mandate the flu shots, why this? Because we think we can make it go away? It isn't going to. It's the new flu shot, and that in the end should be what it's going to mount to. But if they wanted to vaccinate more people, the way they went about it, was totally wrong. And the way you're recommending it, is just as wrong.

you didn't answer the question. you told me that i can't see why its trying to be forced on us.

I asked you "why do you think its trying to be forced on us"?

I gave you my reason. Because I think they want to get the % numbers of people vaccinated up over 80% so that we reach herd immunity and the spread of the virus goes to nearly zero. <--- that's why I think they are trying to force people to get the vaccine.

Now, you tell me why you think they are trying to force people to get the vaccine.