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megman wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 7:55 pm Stoney mountain prison in Saskatchewan Canada is 75 percent native.

Reservoir Dog wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 8:06 pm

megman wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 7:55 pm Stoney mountain prison in Saskatchewan Canada is 75 percent native.

I call bullshit.
There are no mountains in Saskatchewan.

Charliesheen wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 7:39 pm

Biker wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 8:35 pm

The system incarcerates more people than any other country in the world. Currently, there are over 2 million people in prisons, jails, and detention centers. This number represents 25% of all inmates in the world even though the US population makes up only 5% of the global population.

The problems with the prison system only continue when one looks at the obvious racial and gender disparities. For example, while black inmates make up nearly 40% of the prison population, they only make up 13.40% of the total US population. Native Americans represent 2.30% of the incarcerated population and only 1.30% of the population. 58.70% of the prison population is white, which includes Hispanic Americans.

Shit. Meant to quote the global prison thing

Deathproof wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 8:47 pm

Charliesheen wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 7:39 pm

Biker wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 8:35 pm

The system incarcerates more people than any other country in the world. Currently, there are over 2 million people in prisons, jails, and detention centers. This number represents 25% of all inmates in the world even though the US population makes up only 5% of the global population.

The problems with the prison system only continue when one looks at the obvious racial and gender disparities. For example, while black inmates make up nearly 40% of the prison population, they only make up 13.40% of the total US population. Native Americans represent 2.30% of the incarcerated population and only 1.30% of the population. 58.70% of the prison population is white, which includes Hispanic Americans.

Shit. Meant to quote the global prison thing

So is it your position that minorities are over-represented in the incarcerated population here in the United States? Is it supposed to mean that law enforcement and incarceration policies are inherently racist?

I ask because men make up 93.5% of the incarcerated in the United States while only comprising 50.8% of the overall population. Meanwhile women (the only other existing gender) make up only a scant 6.5% while being 49.2% of the total population. So, couldn't we therefore say the legal system is way, way more sexist than it is racist?

Charliesheen wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 11:16 pm

Deathproof wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 8:47 pm

Charliesheen wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 7:39 pm

Biker wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 8:35 pm

The system incarcerates more people than any other country in the world. Currently, there are over 2 million people in prisons, jails, and detention centers. This number represents 25% of all inmates in the world even though the US population makes up only 5% of the global population.

The problems with the prison system only continue when one looks at the obvious racial and gender disparities. For example, while black inmates make up nearly 40% of the prison population, they only make up 13.40% of the total US population. Native Americans represent 2.30% of the incarcerated population and only 1.30% of the population. 58.70% of the prison population is white, which includes Hispanic Americans.

Shit. Meant to quote the global prison thing

So is it your position that minorities are over-represented in the incarcerated population here in the United States? Is it supposed to mean that law enforcement and incarceration policies are inherently racist?

I ask because men make up 93.5% of the incarcerated in the United States while only comprising 50.8% of the overall population. Meanwhile women (the only other existing gender) make up only a scant 6.5% while being 49.2% of the total population. So, couldn't we therefore say the legal system is way, way more sexist than it is racist?

Damn straight we could. Women are definitely underrepresented. It’s not fair to them, or to the boys. Time to criminalize some shit da wimmins can’t stop doing. Like credit card debt.

FSchmertz wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 11:24 pm

Charliesheen wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 11:16 pm

Deathproof wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 8:47 pm

Charliesheen wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 7:39 pm

Biker wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 8:35 pm

The system incarcerates more people than any other country in the world. Currently, there are over 2 million people in prisons, jails, and detention centers. This number represents 25% of all inmates in the world even though the US population makes up only 5% of the global population.

The problems with the prison system only continue when one looks at the obvious racial and gender disparities. For example, while black inmates make up nearly 40% of the prison population, they only make up 13.40% of the total US population. Native Americans represent 2.30% of the incarcerated population and only 1.30% of the population. 58.70% of the prison population is white, which includes Hispanic Americans.

Shit. Meant to quote the global prison thing

So is it your position that minorities are over-represented in the incarcerated population here in the United States? Is it supposed to mean that law enforcement and incarceration policies are inherently racist?

I ask because men make up 93.5% of the incarcerated in the United States while only comprising 50.8% of the overall population. Meanwhile women (the only other existing gender) make up only a scant 6.5% while being 49.2% of the total population. So, couldn't we therefore say the legal system is way, way more sexist than it is racist?

Damn straight we could. Women are definitely underrepresented. It’s not fair to them, or to the boys. Time to criminalize some shit da wimmins can’t stop doing. Like credit card debt.

I'm pretty sure there's more females than males in the U.S., so are your other figures correct?

https://www.statista.com/statistics/737 ... by-gender/

Deathproof wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 1:06 am
I re-checked. My data was correct, but it was from 2010, which I didn't notice when I made that post. https://www.census.gov/prod/cen2010/bri ... 0br-03.pdf

Regardless, the latest statistic I saw upon re-checking was that women are 51.1% now. Still, grossly under-represented in the prison population. Ergo, if dumb people are going to say minorities are over-represented among the incarcerated, it's then fair to say that men are over-represented in the incarcerated population.

Biker wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 6:27 pm

disco wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 6:12 pm See y'all on the flipside

I was hoping to see California blanketed

Animal wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 1:13 am

Deathproof wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 1:06 am
I re-checked. My data was correct, but it was from 2010, which I didn't notice when I made that post. https://www.census.gov/prod/cen2010/bri ... 0br-03.pdf

Regardless, the latest statistic I saw upon re-checking was that women are 51.1% now. Still, grossly under-represented in the prison population. Ergo, if dumb people are going to say minorities are over-represented among the incarcerated, it's then fair to say that men are over-represented in the incarcerated population.

your point is spot on. I have heard that ridiculous point people have tried to make showing that our justice system is racist because of the imbalance of minorities in jail. I never heard anyone come back with the point you made, though. I really like it.

Animal wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 2:08 am Idaho and South Dakota look like nice places.

But what the fuck is down in the corner of Nebraska and Wyoming?

Deathproof wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 3:05 am

Animal wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 1:13 am

Deathproof wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 1:06 am
I re-checked. My data was correct, but it was from 2010, which I didn't notice when I made that post. https://www.census.gov/prod/cen2010/bri ... 0br-03.pdf

Regardless, the latest statistic I saw upon re-checking was that women are 51.1% now. Still, grossly under-represented in the prison population. Ergo, if dumb people are going to say minorities are over-represented among the incarcerated, it's then fair to say that men are over-represented in the incarcerated population.

your point is spot on. I have heard that ridiculous point people have tried to make showing that our justice system is racist because of the imbalance of minorities in jail. I never heard anyone come back with the point you made, though. I really like it.

You shouldn't. It's a stupid point. I deliberately made a stupid point to illustrate how statistics can be manipulated for a desired effect.
Of course men are the majority of prisoners; men commit a vast, overwhelming majority of punishable-by-incarceration crimes. That's not to say there's no bias favoring women when it comes to enforcement and sentencing -- there absolutely is -- but the types of crimes that are punishable by incarceration are overwhelmingly committed by men.
In other words, men commit those types of crimes at a rate that grossly eclipses the percentage of the population that they represent.
Similarly, minorities commit incarceration-punishable crimes at a rate that is over-proportionate to the percentage of the population that they represent. Being careful here to avoid sounding like Stapes, who is a racist, I want to be clear that I'm not saying white people don't commit those crimes. But the statistics don't lie; those crimes are committed by minorities at a disproportionate rate. I don't have the numbers in front of me, but the line I commonly hear is something like "18% of the population committing 80% of the violent crime" or some variation thereof.
And then you have to take into account the "repeat offender" aspect of it. When you not only commit these crimes, but also do it repeatedly, you're more likely to go to jail/prison.
Between the disproportionate criminality and the multiple-offense issue, it's a gross manipulation of facts and statistics to imply that there's some kind of anti-minority bias when it comes to incarceration.

Charliesheen wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 11:45 am

Deathproof wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 3:05 am

Animal wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 1:13 am

Deathproof wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 1:06 am
I re-checked. My data was correct, but it was from 2010, which I didn't notice when I made that post. https://www.census.gov/prod/cen2010/bri ... 0br-03.pdf

Regardless, the latest statistic I saw upon re-checking was that women are 51.1% now. Still, grossly under-represented in the prison population. Ergo, if dumb people are going to say minorities are over-represented among the incarcerated, it's then fair to say that men are over-represented in the incarcerated population.

your point is spot on. I have heard that ridiculous point people have tried to make showing that our justice system is racist because of the imbalance of minorities in jail. I never heard anyone come back with the point you made, though. I really like it.

You shouldn't. It's a stupid point. I deliberately made a stupid point to illustrate how statistics can be manipulated for a desired effect.
Of course men are the majority of prisoners; men commit a vast, overwhelming majority of punishable-by-incarceration crimes. That's not to say there's no bias favoring women when it comes to enforcement and sentencing -- there absolutely is -- but the types of crimes that are punishable by incarceration are overwhelmingly committed by men.
In other words, men commit those types of crimes at a rate that grossly eclipses the percentage of the population that they represent.
Similarly, minorities commit incarceration-punishable crimes at a rate that is over-proportionate to the percentage of the population that they represent. Being careful here to avoid sounding like Stapes, who is a racist, I want to be clear that I'm not saying white people don't commit those crimes. But the statistics don't lie; those crimes are committed by minorities at a disproportionate rate. I don't have the numbers in front of me, but the line I commonly hear is something like "18% of the population committing 80% of the violent crime" or some variation thereof.
And then you have to take into account the "repeat offender" aspect of it. When you not only commit these crimes, but also do it repeatedly, you're more likely to go to jail/prison.
Between the disproportionate criminality and the multiple-offense issue, it's a gross manipulation of facts and statistics to imply that there's some kind of anti-minority bias when it comes to incarceration.

My PHD sister says either you pay to keep minorities out of jail or you pay to keep them in jail.

Charliesheen wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 4:45 pm No.

There’s something your parents did which resulted in what we have now. Has to be something “systemic.”

Animal wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 11:11 pm that could also be a poop density map.

what's weird, too is that the Chinese only inhabit 40% of the available land in China.

Deathproof wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 5:21 pm

Charliesheen wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 4:45 pm No.

There’s something your parents did which resulted in what we have now. Has to be something “systemic.”

Bullshit. Your parents' choices don't have to be your choices.

Animal wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 2:08 am Idaho and South Dakota look like nice places.

But what the fuck is down in the corner of Nebraska and Wyoming?

Biker wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 4:34 pm