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Animal wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 5:00 pm i think you are trying a bit too hard with this

dot wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 5:33 pm

Animal wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 5:00 pm i think you are trying a bit too hard with this

I don't think so. Don't forget, you guys made a big deal about Hussein Obama.

Animal wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 5:40 pm that's some solid logic. way to take the high road.

CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 2:59 am The talking points must have went out. I'm seeing a lot of Trump = Hitler stuff.

How Trump’s rhetoric compares with Hitler’s

Donald Trump has long toyed with the language of famous autocrats, authoritarians and fascists. Think: “enemy of the people,” “retribution” and the frequent, years-long allusions to political violence.

But even by his standards, the former president is now mining darker territory — with overtones of some of the ugliest episodes in recent world history.

The Washington Post this weekend summarized Trump’s Veterans Day speech in a headline thusly: “Trump calls political enemies ‘vermin,’ echoing dictators Hitler, Mussolini.”

Trump not only likened his political opponents to “vermin” but suggested they represent a “threat from within” that is more dangerous than threats from beyond our borders. Both are themes seized upon by strongmen to foment populist movements.

Trump’s campaign responded by seemingly taking issue with the “ridiculous” framing. But in the same breath, it also promised that Trump’s “snowflake” critics’ “entire existence will be crushed when President Trump returns to the White House.” (It later sought to amend that to “sad, miserable existence.”)

As that response indicates, the campaign is not exactly apologizing for this type of rhetoric, which is, at the very least and to be quite charitable, a calculated attempt at provocation. And after years of this kind of rhetoric and events like Jan. 6, you could certainly forgive people for worrying that it’s more than that.

“The language is the language that dictators use to instill fear,” Timothy Naftali, a senior research scholar at Columbia University’s School of International and Public Affairs, told The Post. “When you dehumanize an opponent, you strip them of their constitutional rights to participate securely in a democracy because you’re saying they’re not human. That’s what dictators do.”

[ The deepening radicalization of Donald J. Trump ]

Just how similar is Trump’s language to the actual words of those figures? Let’s examine how his recent comments compare with Adolf Hitler’s.

‘Vermin’

Trump said Saturday: “We pledge to you that we will root out the communists, Marxists, fascists and the radical left thugs that live like vermin within the confines of our country, that lie and steal and cheat on elections.”

As The Post’s story noted, likening one’s political opponents and certain elements within the country to vermin and beasts was a tactic employed by Hitler.

Hitler used the construct to justify the extermination of Jews and to attack Marxists, while Trump has used it more broadly to suggest that his opponents are subhuman.

“Should I not also have the right to eliminate millions of an inferior race that multiplies like vermin?” Hitler said, according to Joachim C. Fest’s biography.

“The rats that poison our body-politic gnaw from the hearts and memories of the broad masses even that little which distress and misery have left,” Hitler wrote in “Mein Kampf,” according a translation published by Project Gutenberg.

A 1939 report from a French official recalls Hitler and a Nazi official pressing the idea that “this vermin must be destroyed. The Jews are our sworn enemies.”

As Hitler historian Max Domarus recalled in his book “The Essential Hitler”:

Hitler’s argument for this monstrous crime was quite simple: Jews, like Russians, were not human. They were “animals and beasts.” If valuable men had to die each day at the front, then it was really of no consequence if such vermin like the Jews were killed. They were no different from “tuberculosis bacilli.” If such “innocent natural creatures as rabbits and deer” had to die, then why should “the beasts, who want to bring us Bolshevism, be spared?”

Marxists, ‘root out’

The idea that the German government was being haplessly overtaken by Marxists and those who must be rooted out — as Trump has suggested is happening in the United States — also coursed through Hitler’s commentary.

“The German State is intensely overrun by Marxism,” Hitler wrote in “Mein Kampf.”

He added at another point: “But there is one thing [Germany’s leaders] have not known how to do, and that is how to save the German people from falling into the arms of Marxism. In that they have shown themselves most pitiably and miserably impotent.”

And at another: “What must be said of those State officials, chiefs of police, and even cabinet ministers, who showed a scandalous lack of principle in presenting themselves externally to the public as ‘national’ and yet shamelessly acted as the henchmen of the Marxists in the disputes which we, National Socialists, had with the latter.”

And another: “We must overthrow Marxism, so that for the future National Socialism will be master of the street, just as it will one day become master of the State.”

Hitler also wrote about rooting out such forces.

“We must first root out the causes which led to our collapse and we must eliminate all those who are profiting by that collapse,” he wrote.

At one point, like Trump, he even mentioned rooting out such forces while labeling them “vermin.”

“It ought to have been the duty of any Government which had the care of the people in its keeping, to take this opportunity of mercilessly rooting out everything that was opposed to the national spirit,” he wrote in “Mein Kampf.” “While the flower of the nation’s manhood was dying at the front, there was time enough at home at least to exterminate this vermin.”

‘Threat from within’

“The threat from outside forces is far less sinister, dangerous and grave than the threat from within,” Trump said Saturday. “Our threat is from within.”

This was also a theme often promoted by Hitler.

“But we can see already how our racial peoples which are today still hostile to us will one day recognize the greater inner enemy,” Hitler said in a January 1941 speech in Berlin, according to the Jewish Virtual Library.

“For never in our history have we been conquered by the strength of our outside enemies but only through our own failings and the enemy in our own camp,” he wrote in “Mein Kampf.”

“Had they really believed in what they did, they ought to have recognized that the strength of a nation lies, first of all, not in its arms but in its will, and that before conquering the external enemy the enemy at home would have to be eliminated,” he also wrote.

Politicians often liken their political opponents to some version of an enemy or diminish them. Hillary Clinton talked about many Trump supporters being “deplorables.” President Biden has decried MAGA extremists and accused them of “semi-fascism.” Where Trump takes things to another level is in also dehumanizing people and suggesting that these “sinister” internal forces present the greatest threat to our country.

‘Poisoning’ the ‘blood of our country’

Trump turned heads last month by upping his anti-immigrant rhetoric in a way that the New York Times likened to Hitler’s rhetoric.

“It is a very sad thing for our country,” Trump said. “It’s poisoning the blood of our country. It’s so bad, and people are coming in with disease. People are coming in with every possible thing that you could have.”

Trump added during an Iowa rally: “It’s the blood of our country; what they’re doing is destroying our country.”

Hitler in “Mein Kampf,” employing a more explicit construct, repeatedly cited the danger of German blood being poisoned by Jews and warned more broadly of how such a thing endangers a nation.

“All the great civilizations of the past became decadent because the originally creative race died out, as a result of contamination of the blood,” he wrote.

“And so this poison was allowed to enter the national bloodstream and infect public life without the Government taking any effectual measures to master the course of the disease,” he added.

“He poisons the blood of others but preserves his own blood unadulterated,” Hitler wrote of the Jews.

“It seemed as if some all-pervading poisonous fluid had been injected by some mysterious hand into the bloodstream of this once heroic body,” he added.

Hitler even referred to the idea that Teutonic people in North America had been succeeding because they hadn’t allowed their blood to be poisoned.

“But in North America the Teutonic element, which has kept its racial stock pure and did not mix it with any other racial stock, has come to dominate the American Continent and will remain master of it as long as that element does not fall a victim to the habit of adulterating its blood.”

The full content of Trump’s comments is, of course, different from Hitler’s. Hitler was explicit about the very ugly supposed remedies. Trump paints a picture of a nonspecific boogeyman, rather than something requiring explicit action to take out a class of people. It’s less of a direct call to arms. And Trump seems to qualify his comments about “poisoning” the “blood” by pointing to drugs and supposed disease, rather than heritage.

But the language is clearly similar. And it’s certainly of a piece with Trump’s movement toward a more authoritarian second term.

saltydog wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 4:47 pm

CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 1:45 pm

Antknot wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 1:31 pm

CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 1:28 pm

peterosehaircut wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 11:11 am

CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 9:10 pm

So her given middle name is not a "real" name?
Her married name is not her "real" name?
Jeezus dude, this is petty even for you.

My nephew goes by his middle name and my mom goes by her married name.
HOLY SHIT I WONDER WHAT THEY'RE HIDING!

Those arent their "real names" according to Salty!

Seems to be some confusion between legal name and real name. Myself I go buy a shortened version of my middle name. Except when I’m signing a legal document.

Salty's whole point, and we've seen it from other Dims on this site in the past, is that the implication is that she is trying to mislead, fake or hide something. Nikki is her given, real, legal, whatever you want to call it, middle name.

Do you think she'd be as successful using her given name during her political career? How about Ted Cruz?

What is it about GOP people being ashamed of their birth names?

CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 7:13 pm *Sigh*
Do you think she somehow magically won her states governorship not once but twice while simultaneously keeping the fact that she's Indian hidden the entire time when there are people like you who want nothing more than to highlight it? Go take your racism somewhere else.

dot wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 7:23 pm

CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 7:13 pm *Sigh*
Do you think she somehow magically won her states governorship not once but twice while simultaneously keeping the fact that she's Indian hidden the entire time when there are people like you who want nothing more than to highlight it? Go take your racism somewhere else.

Again, from the party of HUSSEIN Obama. Being non-white isn't a problem to our side, that's your side's territory.

dot wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 5:57 pm

Animal wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 5:40 pm that's some solid logic. way to take the high road.

I'm sorry, but is holding your own candidates to the same ridiculous standards you had in the past suddenly off limits? Ask yourself, why would you not have taken the high road, if that's what you're calling it, previously?

CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 2:59 am The talking points must have went out. I'm seeing a lot of Trump = Hitler stuff.

In the interest of intellectual honesty:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... s-hitlers/

How Trump’s rhetoric compares with Hitler’s

Donald Trump has long toyed with the language of famous autocrats, authoritarians and fascists. Think: “enemy of the people,” “retribution” and the frequent, years-long allusions to political violence.

But even by his standards, the former president is now mining darker territory — with overtones of some of the ugliest episodes in recent world history.

The Washington Post this weekend summarized Trump’s Veterans Day speech in a headline thusly: “Trump calls political enemies ‘vermin,’ echoing dictators Hitler, Mussolini.”

Trump not only likened his political opponents to “vermin” but suggested they represent a “threat from within” that is more dangerous than threats from beyond our borders. Both are themes seized upon by strongmen to foment populist movements.

Trump’s campaign responded by seemingly taking issue with the “ridiculous” framing. But in the same breath, it also promised that Trump’s “snowflake” critics’ “entire existence will be crushed when President Trump returns to the White House.” (It later sought to amend that to “sad, miserable existence.”)

As that response indicates, the campaign is not exactly apologizing for this type of rhetoric, which is, at the very least and to be quite charitable, a calculated attempt at provocation. And after years of this kind of rhetoric and events like Jan. 6, you could certainly forgive people for worrying that it’s more than that.

“The language is the language that dictators use to instill fear,” Timothy Naftali, a senior research scholar at Columbia University’s School of International and Public Affairs, told The Post. “When you dehumanize an opponent, you strip them of their constitutional rights to participate securely in a democracy because you’re saying they’re not human. That’s what dictators do.”

[ The deepening radicalization of Donald J. Trump ]

Just how similar is Trump’s language to the actual words of those figures? Let’s examine how his recent comments compare with Adolf Hitler’s.

‘Vermin’

Trump said Saturday: “We pledge to you that we will root out the communists, Marxists, fascists and the radical left thugs that live like vermin within the confines of our country, that lie and steal and cheat on elections.”

As The Post’s story noted, likening one’s political opponents and certain elements within the country to vermin and beasts was a tactic employed by Hitler.

Hitler used the construct to justify the extermination of Jews and to attack Marxists, while Trump has used it more broadly to suggest that his opponents are subhuman.

“Should I not also have the right to eliminate millions of an inferior race that multiplies like vermin?” Hitler said, according to Joachim C. Fest’s biography.

“The rats that poison our body-politic gnaw from the hearts and memories of the broad masses even that little which distress and misery have left,” Hitler wrote in “Mein Kampf,” according a translation published by Project Gutenberg.

A 1939 report from a French official recalls Hitler and a Nazi official pressing the idea that “this vermin must be destroyed. The Jews are our sworn enemies.”

As Hitler historian Max Domarus recalled in his book “The Essential Hitler”:

Hitler’s argument for this monstrous crime was quite simple: Jews, like Russians, were not human. They were “animals and beasts.” If valuable men had to die each day at the front, then it was really of no consequence if such vermin like the Jews were killed. They were no different from “tuberculosis bacilli.” If such “innocent natural creatures as rabbits and deer” had to die, then why should “the beasts, who want to bring us Bolshevism, be spared?”

Marxists, ‘root out’

The idea that the German government was being haplessly overtaken by Marxists and those who must be rooted out — as Trump has suggested is happening in the United States — also coursed through Hitler’s commentary.

“The German State is intensely overrun by Marxism,” Hitler wrote in “Mein Kampf.”

He added at another point: “But there is one thing [Germany’s leaders] have not known how to do, and that is how to save the German people from falling into the arms of Marxism. In that they have shown themselves most pitiably and miserably impotent.”

And at another: “What must be said of those State officials, chiefs of police, and even cabinet ministers, who showed a scandalous lack of principle in presenting themselves externally to the public as ‘national’ and yet shamelessly acted as the henchmen of the Marxists in the disputes which we, National Socialists, had with the latter.”

And another: “We must overthrow Marxism, so that for the future National Socialism will be master of the street, just as it will one day become master of the State.”

Hitler also wrote about rooting out such forces.

“We must first root out the causes which led to our collapse and we must eliminate all those who are profiting by that collapse,” he wrote.

At one point, like Trump, he even mentioned rooting out such forces while labeling them “vermin.”

“It ought to have been the duty of any Government which had the care of the people in its keeping, to take this opportunity of mercilessly rooting out everything that was opposed to the national spirit,” he wrote in “Mein Kampf.” “While the flower of the nation’s manhood was dying at the front, there was time enough at home at least to exterminate this vermin.”

‘Threat from within’

“The threat from outside forces is far less sinister, dangerous and grave than the threat from within,” Trump said Saturday. “Our threat is from within.”

This was also a theme often promoted by Hitler.

“But we can see already how our racial peoples which are today still hostile to us will one day recognize the greater inner enemy,” Hitler said in a January 1941 speech in Berlin, according to the Jewish Virtual Library.

“For never in our history have we been conquered by the strength of our outside enemies but only through our own failings and the enemy in our own camp,” he wrote in “Mein Kampf.”

“Had they really believed in what they did, they ought to have recognized that the strength of a nation lies, first of all, not in its arms but in its will, and that before conquering the external enemy the enemy at home would have to be eliminated,” he also wrote.

Politicians often liken their political opponents to some version of an enemy or diminish them. Hillary Clinton talked about many Trump supporters being “deplorables.” President Biden has decried MAGA extremists and accused them of “semi-fascism.” Where Trump takes things to another level is in also dehumanizing people and suggesting that these “sinister” internal forces present the greatest threat to our country.

‘Poisoning’ the ‘blood of our country’

Trump turned heads last month by upping his anti-immigrant rhetoric in a way that the New York Times likened to Hitler’s rhetoric.

“It is a very sad thing for our country,” Trump said. “It’s poisoning the blood of our country. It’s so bad, and people are coming in with disease. People are coming in with every possible thing that you could have.”

Trump added during an Iowa rally: “It’s the blood of our country; what they’re doing is destroying our country.”

Hitler in “Mein Kampf,” employing a more explicit construct, repeatedly cited the danger of German blood being poisoned by Jews and warned more broadly of how such a thing endangers a nation.

“All the great civilizations of the past became decadent because the originally creative race died out, as a result of contamination of the blood,” he wrote.

“And so this poison was allowed to enter the national bloodstream and infect public life without the Government taking any effectual measures to master the course of the disease,” he added.

“He poisons the blood of others but preserves his own blood unadulterated,” Hitler wrote of the Jews.

“It seemed as if some all-pervading poisonous fluid had been injected by some mysterious hand into the bloodstream of this once heroic body,” he added.

Hitler even referred to the idea that Teutonic people in North America had been succeeding because they hadn’t allowed their blood to be poisoned.

“But in North America the Teutonic element, which has kept its racial stock pure and did not mix it with any other racial stock, has come to dominate the American Continent and will remain master of it as long as that element does not fall a victim to the habit of adulterating its blood.”

The full content of Trump’s comments is, of course, different from Hitler’s. Hitler was explicit about the very ugly supposed remedies. Trump paints a picture of a nonspecific boogeyman, rather than something requiring explicit action to take out a class of people. It’s less of a direct call to arms. And Trump seems to qualify his comments about “poisoning” the “blood” by pointing to drugs and supposed disease, rather than heritage.

But the language is clearly similar. And it’s certainly of a piece with Trump’s movement toward a more authoritarian second term.

CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 7:58 pm It was so much of a problem they elected her twice!

CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 8:02 pm I suppose he'll be calling for the elimination of all the Jews next. Oh wait, half of your side is in agreement with the people who are already doing that. Sounds like a perfect match! Time for you guys to get on that Trump Train!

dot wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 8:20 pm

CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 7:58 pm It was so much of a problem they elected her twice!

Oh, did the whole nation vote for her? Intellectual honesty, bud.

CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 8:02 pm I suppose he'll be calling for the elimination of all the Jews next. Oh wait, half of your side is in agreement with the people who are already doing that. Sounds like a perfect match! Time for you guys to get on that Trump Train!

Given how many posts you've been doing without your claimed intellectual honesty, I think it's time we bring back the proven disingenuous hack label for you. Gave you the benefit of the doubt, but it's pretty clear you are not what you claim to be.

CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 8:37 pm Did I say the whole nation? Youre just mad her elections disprove your racist assertions.

Burn1dwn wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 5:04 am This guy is growing on me.

saltydog wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 7:47 pm

Biker wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 5:30 pm When you are running for President of the United States, your words matter. So yeah, fuck her

Would SHE have to start using her real name as well?

CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 8:37 pm Are you going to sit here and claim that its NOT the folks on your side that are supporting Hamas? Talk about disingenuous!

CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 2:59 am The talking points must have went out. I'm seeing a lot of Trump = Hitler stuff.

dot wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 8:46 pm

CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 8:37 pm Did I say the whole nation? Youre just mad her elections disprove your racist assertions.

Burn1dwn wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 5:04 am This guy is growing on me.

saltydog wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 7:47 pm

Biker wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 5:30 pm When you are running for President of the United States, your words matter. So yeah, fuck her

Would SHE have to start using her real name as well?

This is what brought it up. Again, proving you have no intellectual honesty, you are ignoring the context in which it's being discussed when you yourself already acknowledged said context previously. Do better, hack.

CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 8:37 pm Are you going to sit here and claim that its NOT the folks on your side that are supporting Hamas? Talk about disingenuous!

Like you sitting there and pretending Trump isn't echoing Hitler quotes and rhetoric?

CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 2:59 am The talking points must have went out. I'm seeing a lot of Trump = Hitler stuff.

So unless you're going to walk that back and say you were just agreeing with Salty ( ) in a roundabout way, you know what's next. Delusional. Disingenuous. Hack.

CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 8:50 pm Holy fuck. Yes, the context was eliminating anonymous or fake accounts. So now youre going to try and claim Nikki Haley isnt her name?
Sweet baby Jeezus.
Dude, youre off the rails on this one.

Ethics report finds Santos used campaign funds to pay for OnlyFans, Botox, Sephora

New York Republican Rep. George Santos, who represents parts of Long Island and Queens, announced today he's dropping his bid for a second term after a House ethics report blasted him for criminal activity and lying to voters.

"I will continue on my mission to serve my constituents up until I am allowed," Santos said on X, the social media site. "I will however NOT be seeking re-election for a second term in 2024 as my family deserves better than to be under the gun from the press all the time."



Santos has already admitted lying about much of his life story to voters before winning a House seat in 2022.

Two of his campaign aides pleaded guilty to felony charges linked to his campaign and Santos himself has pleaded not guilty to 23 federal felony charges. His trial is expected to begin on Long Island next year.

The new report by the House Ethics Committee says a congressional probe found evidence of "alleged violations" by Santos that go beyond crimes detailed in the Justice Department's indictments. The committee referred their report to the department.

Investigators say cash contributed to Santos's election effort wound up being spent on personal expenses, including botox treatment, purchases at Hermes and Sephora and "purchases at OnlyFans."

"[D]espite his attempts to blame others for much of the misconduct, Representative Santos was a knowing and active participant in the wrongdoing," the report states. "Particularly troubling was Representative Santos' lack of candor during the investigation itself."

Santos, who has aligned himself with far-right members of the GOP caucus, maintains he committed no crimes and has described his lies as "embellishments" and "exaggerations."

Several House members have announced plans to file resolutions to remove Santos from office later this month when Congress returns from a Thanksgiving recess. Santos has already survived two attempts to remove him from office after several Republicans said they would withold judgment until after the release of the ethics report.

The report issued on Thursday concluded that Santos:

sought to "fraudulently exploit" every aspect of his House candidacy for personal profit
allegedly stole from his campaign, deceiving donors and channeling contributions for personal use
invented fictional loans to his own campaign to trick donors and Republican committees into contributing to his election war chest

While the report is often scathing, it proposes no specific actions be taken against Santos, who has already been stripped of his committee assignments.

Rep. Mike Lawler, also a Republican freshman from New York, renewed his call on Thursday for Santos to resign immediately without finishing his first term.

dot wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 9:13 pm

CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 8:50 pm Holy fuck. Yes, the context was eliminating anonymous or fake accounts. So now youre going to try and claim Nikki Haley isnt her name?
Sweet baby Jeezus.
Dude, youre off the rails on this one.

Keep proving me right about the disingenuous, bud. National scope given how Haley came up. Name argument, Salty obviously referencing her first name being hidden from the public and you pretending that using her middle and married name dismiss his argument. Since then you've pretended that a national stage has the same audience and electorate as her statewide election and just as an honorable mention refused to see the parallels between Trump rhetoric and Hitler rhetoric. Seems if anyone is off the rails, it'd be you so if you are having a problem following along, blame yourself. Hack.

CHEEZY wrote: It was so much of a problem they elected her twice!

CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 1:33 am "Hidden from the public"? Dude you are fucking on crack. How EXACTLY has her name been "hidden from the public"?
Holy shit. You are absolutely pathetic.

CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 1:33 am These are my exact words in the context of our discussion about her winning two Governorship elections:

CHEEZY wrote: It was so much of a problem they elected her twice!

"They" obviously refers to the people voting in her state. Sorry if that was too complicated for you, homeschool.

dot wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 9:13 pm National scope given how Haley came up.

CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 1:33 am I know it sucks for your side to compare a guy to Hitler and then half of your side also supports the group that wants to eliminate Israel and kill all the Jews.
Tough day for you chief, but if you want to die on that hill of Nikki not being her real name than go for it.

dot wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 2:32 am

CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 1:33 am "Hidden from the public"? Dude you are fucking on crack. How EXACTLY has her name been "hidden from the public"?
Holy shit. You are absolutely pathetic.

What name does she go by? Is it the ethnic sounding first name or the more Americanized middle name? Come on, strive for that intellectual honesty. Or prove me right, hack.

CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 1:33 am These are my exact words in the context of our discussion about her winning two Governorship elections:

CHEEZY wrote: It was so much of a problem they elected her twice!

"They" obviously refers to the people voting in her state. Sorry if that was too complicated for you, homeschool.

dot wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 9:13 pm National scope given how Haley came up.

The intellectual honesty is so easily given up for you isn't it?

CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 1:33 am I know it sucks for your side to compare a guy to Hitler and then half of your side also supports the group that wants to eliminate Israel and kill all the Jews.
Tough day for you chief, but if you want to die on that hill of Nikki not being her real name than go for it.

Are you still not able to even admit the parallels from your guy quoting Hitler? He is after all talking about wiping out American citizens because he considers them "vermin." That is what you're defending, killing our own citizens. I get that it maybe doesn't hit for you because you consider yourself one of the safe ones as he doesn't mean you, because as said before, we all know conservatives don't care until it happens to them. Maybe just try to be a decent human being for once. Sad, someone claiming to be intellectually honest, but in reality is just a delusional disingenuous partisan hack.

CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 2:45 am Absolutely pathetic. Youve already been proven wrong. The name is not hidden and never has been.

CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 2:45 am I'm not denying any parallels regarding Trump and the speech. They are there just like the parallel is there with lots of folks that your side supports wanting to kill all the Jews and eliminate Israel. Sorry that doesnt sit well with you but it is factual and intellectually honest. That really bothers you doesnt it?
It bothers you because I am able to do it effortlessly and dont need to misrepresent things like you have done and continue to do.
Go ahead and compare Trump to Hitler- there were/are some similarities in that speech; just be intellectually honest enough to admit that there are lots of folks on your side that support the group that literally wants to kill the Jews and eliminate Israel. See? Intellectually honest.

dot wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 2:59 am

CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 2:45 am Absolutely pathetic. Youve already been proven wrong. The name is not hidden and never has been.

And maybe you'll be right once she starts introducing herself as Nimarata Haley. But she's not, and that was Salty's point. But please, continue being intellectually dishonest.

CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 2:45 am I'm not denying any parallels regarding Trump and the speech. They are there just like the parallel is there with lots of folks that your side supports wanting to kill all the Jews and eliminate Israel. Sorry that doesnt sit well with you but it is factual and intellectually honest. That really bothers you doesnt it?
It bothers you because I am able to do it effortlessly and dont need to misrepresent things like you have done and continue to do.
Go ahead and compare Trump to Hitler- there were/are some similarities in that speech; just be intellectually honest enough to admit that there are lots of folks on your side that support the group that literally wants to kill the Jews and eliminate Israel. See? Intellectually honest.

Speaking of continuing to be intellectually dishonest, feel free to find where Democrats support Hamas. I hope you're able to do that intellectually honestly, because wanting to hold Israel accountable for what it does wrong, that is not the same as supporting Hamas. Cause you know, that would be intellectually dishonest, which we both know you just hate doing. Well, unless it comes to admitting Trump did what he did, because look at how long it took to drag out from you a begrudgingly "yeah it's kinda similar" instead of saying "wow that is lifted right out of Mein Kampf." I wonder if you even remember that he kept a book of Hitler's speeches at his bedside. Or that he praised Hitler to his then Chief of Staff John Kelly. I mean, at what point do you admit to yourself that this is not a good look? Or do you have to be intellectually honest in order to do that? Hack.

dot wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 2:59 am
Speaking of continuing to be intellectually dishonest, feel free to find where Democrats support Hamas. I hope you're able to do that intellectually honestly, because wanting to hold Israel accountable for what it does wrong, that is not the same as supporting Hamas.

CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 3:18 am Damn you Lefties really hate a conservative brown woman. And you continue to overlook the fact that her state elected her twice knowing exactly what she is. Just admit this line of attack isnt working for you, homeschool.

CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 3:18 am Shes gone by Nikki which is Punjabi since she was a kid. Now you want her to change 50 years later? JFC.
Nothing is hidden she's never denied it or run from it.

CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 3:18 am
Damn you Lefties really hate a conservative brown woman. And you continue to overlook the fact that her state elected her twice knowing exactly what she is. Just admit this line of attack isnt working for you, homeschool.

CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 3:18 am Also, you didnt "drag" shit. I simply pointed out the flip side of the coin that bothers you so much. I have no problem saying there are some similarities in that speech. Because there are. See how easy it is?

Burn1dwn wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 3:27 am No Dot, if you don't agree with giving Israel the green light to "defend themselves" and enact collective punishment on the Palestinians, you support Hamas and the murder of Jews. It's kind of like if you were one of the people against invading Iraq and killing innocent Iraqis in 2003. You are either with Hamas killing Jews or you with Israel's right to protect Jews at any cost. There are no alternatives.

dot wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 3:50 am Watch out, Burn. I don't think Cheez digs it when you're not being intellectually honest with the rest of the class. He really hates that these days. But at least you took up his claim, to show how ridiculous it is. He couldn't even bring himself to do that.

disingenuous dot wrote:All we've asked is whether putting her ethnicity front and center is going to turn off her voter base nationally or not. But you don't want to answer that, do you? It's been the only pertinent question about Haley since that Twitter post, but you will not answer it. You'd much rather argue dishonestly over whether her real name is her first name or her middle name. It's a pointless argument that you cannot give up because answering what Salty is actually asking is too dangerous of a concept for you.

Salty wrote:"When is she going to start using her real name?"