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Biker wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2019 1:36 am
FYI...It will come out soon that this accident has nothing to do with 737 Max supposed flaw.
Bet?
Will the 'supposed flaw' also be ruled out in the other crash that happened shortly after takeoff and showed the same rapid changes in altitude?
Sure. Outline the bet. From what I’m hearing it’s either wing flap failure or pilot error
Pretty simple, faulty sensor data causing MCAS to repeatedly activate sending the plane into repeated dives to correct non existent stalls was a major factor in both crashes. One month avatar with the crash investigation report being decisive, null and void if no cause determined.
I just heard it called "undesirable pitch behavior"
Any damn fool can navigate the world sober. It takes a really good sailor to do it drunk
So now it seems Boeing had a fix for this that they were planning to roll out but it was delayed five to six weeks by the government shutdown.
The cause seems to be erroneous sensor data from a single sensor that detects the pitch of the airplane nose. The new software will change the system to rely on multiple sensor inputs rather than a single.
DandyDon wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2019 2:00 am
So now it seems Boeing had a fix for this that they were planning to roll out but it was delayed five to six weeks by the government shutdown.
The cause seems to be erroneous sensor data from a single sensor that detects the pitch of the airplane nose. The new software will change the system to rely on multiple sensor inputs rather than a single.
Nope
Yep. We'll have to wait on the "official" COI report.
Boeing to Make Key Change in 737 MAX Cockpit Software
MAX software change marks shift for Boeing design of anti-stall system
When the plane was first designed, engineers determined that using a single sensor—measuring what is technically known as the angle of attack—would be simpler and was in line with the plane maker’s long-held philosophy to keep pilots at the center of cockpit control, a person familiar with the matter said.
That earlier design of the system, known as MCAS, has puzzled some pilots and safety experts, who wondered why the system didn’t rely on multiple feeds.
Mike Michaelis, chairman of the safety committee at American Airlines Group Inc.’s pilot union, welcomed news of the coming Boeing software fix. “That’s the way it should have been in the first place,” he said.
Biker wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2019 2:26 am
The essential FAA functions were not impacted by shutdown. Care to walk that back or nah?
Fuck no. Care to get your shine box out and dust it off?
Straightforward safety upgrades to the jets’ software to fix the automated safety feature, were originally expected in January according to multiple reports. But they were delayed until April, the Wall Street Journal reported Feb. 10, because of “engineering challenges,” “differences of opinion” between federal and Boeing officials, and the 35-day government shutdown, during which “consideration of the fixes was suspended.”
Biker wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2019 2:26 am
The essential FAA functions were not impacted by shutdown. Care to walk that back or nah?
Fuck no. Care to get your shine box out and dust it off?
Straightforward safety upgrades to the jets’ software to fix the automated safety feature, were originally expected in January according to multiple reports. But they were delayed until April, the Wall Street Journal reported Feb. 10, because of “engineering challenges,” “differences of opinion” between federal and Boeing officials, and the 35-day government shutdown, during which “consideration of the fixes was suspended.”
Hack piece. Boeing does not answer to the US govt regarding overseas business transactions
I guess you missed where the same problem happened to several US pilots last year too. Go on, you can do it. You have one more try at a post to save face left in you.
Pilots of Two U.S. Boeing Max 8 Planes Reported Autopilot Problems Last Year
analhamster wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2019 11:57 pm
Trump has weighed in saying planes are too complicated and we should go back to the older versions that crashed a lot more. He's so wise.
Biker wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2019 2:26 am
The essential FAA functions were not impacted by shutdown. Care to walk that back or nah?
Fuck no. Care to get your shine box out and dust it off?
Straightforward safety upgrades to the jets’ software to fix the automated safety feature, were originally expected in January according to multiple reports. But they were delayed until April, the Wall Street Journal reported Feb. 10, because of “engineering challenges,” “differences of opinion” between federal and Boeing officials, and the 35-day government shutdown, during which “consideration of the fixes was suspended.”
Hack piece. Boeing does not answer to the US govt regarding overseas business transactions
I guess you missed where the same problem happened to several US pilots last year too. Go on, you can do it. You have one more try at a post to save face left in you.
Pilots of Two U.S. Boeing Max 8 Planes Reported Autopilot Problems Last Year
Dehumanising the opposition is a basic aim of propaganda. Anyone not in lockstep with the talking points is an NPC, which is kind of ironic. I bet the right wing nuts getting rounded up with their arsenals and librul kill lists of politicians and reporters are steeped in this NPC shit.
Isn't it one of the pilot unions saying the problem is with the training? There are no simulators for it, no required specialized training and the manual is shit. For the training they are just assuming if you can fly one of the other planes, you are qualified to fly this one.
This guy's a pilot who does a podcast explaining all things commercial aviation. Apparently the 737 pilots switching to the max B weren't even told the system existed before the lionair crash.
Canada has now joined the rest of the world in grounding all of them, they cited new satellite data showing the ethiopia flight behaved just like the lionair flight.
Biker wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2019 6:52 pm
The mob wins again
If it emerges both crashes were caused by something completely unrelated to the dive issue and to each other, grounding the planes while we find out would still be the right call. Naturally you're unable to reconsider your start conclusion though.
Biker wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2019 6:52 pm
The mob wins again
If it emerges both crashes were caused by something completely unrelated to the dive issue and to each other, grounding the planes while we find out would still be the right call. Naturally you're unable to reconsider your start conclusion though.
Biker wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2019 6:52 pm
The mob wins again
If it emerges both crashes were caused by something completely unrelated to the dive issue and to each other, grounding the planes while we find out would still be the right call. Naturally you're unable to reconsider your start conclusion though.
No, I just have more insight than you do.
Is it secret insight?
More news will be coming out within the next ten days so we'll see. But nothing about the log or eyewitness accounts points towards faulty sensors.
Both fatal crashes showed the same oscillations and loss of vertical control, indicating repeated dives - which is what the MCAS system does when it thinks a stall is coming due to a faulty AOA sensor. Both sets of pilots reported control issues and requested a return before nose diving into the ground. Two pilots in the US it now emerges have also reported their max 8s abruptly nose diving for no discernible reason. After the lionair crash the FAA issued an emergency airworthiness directive highlighting the MCAS control issue, and Boeing announced it was working on a software fix.
Biker wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:23 pm
I know your search engine doesnt tell you this, but do not dismiss the power of pilots unions. Somehow we are to believe, in a world of Twitter, FB, Instagram, and every other SM outlet there is, not a single passenger posted about taking an abrupt nose dive in flight. This is what we're to believe, right?
Would you even notice the plane descending sharply as a passenger? I doubt it. The effect on a passenger would be less noticeable that turbulence, and who bothers reporting turbulence on a flight? It happens, you assume the guys up front know what they're doing.
Why do you think these independent US pilots filed reports on the kamikaze problem?
Biker wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:23 pm
I know your search engine doesnt tell you this, but do not dismiss the power of pilots unions. Somehow we are to believe, in a world of Twitter, FB, Instagram, and every other SM outlet there is, not a single passenger posted about taking an abrupt nose dive in flight. This is what we're to believe, right?
Would you even notice the plane descending sharply as a passenger? I doubt it. The effect on a passenger would be less noticeable that turbulence, and who bothers reporting turbulence on a flight? It happens, you assume the guys up front know what they're doing.
Why do you think these independent US pilots filed reports on the kamikaze problem?
Youre saying they nose dived and kamikazed. You dont think passengers would notice that? Hodor, please
The Lionair and Ethopia flights repeatedly nosedived - something we know the MCAS system would do in response to a perceived approach to stalling - and did in fact kamikaze. The US pilots reported single abrupt dives which did not repeat after disabling the autopilot.
Why do you think these independent US pilots filed reports on the kamikaze problem? Why did you dodge this question?
Biker wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:23 pm
I know your search engine doesnt tell you this, but do not dismiss the power of pilots unions. Somehow we are to believe, in a world of Twitter, FB, Instagram, and every other SM outlet there is, not a single passenger posted about taking an abrupt nose dive in flight. This is what we're to believe, right?
Would you even notice the plane descending sharply as a passenger? I doubt it. The effect on a passenger would be less noticeable that turbulence, and who bothers reporting turbulence on a flight? It happens, you assume the guys up front know what they're doing.
Why do you think these independent US pilots filed reports on the kamikaze problem?
Youre saying they nose dived and kamikazed. You dont think passengers would notice that? Hodor, please
The Lionair and Ethopia flights repeatedly nosedived - something we know the MCAS system would do in response to a perceived approach to stalling - and did in fact kamikaze. The US pilots reported single abrupt dives which did not repeat after disabling the autopilot.
Why do you think these independent US pilots filed reports on the kamikaze problem? Why did you dodge this question?
You suggested that the US pilots had nose dived. How come not a single passenger or news article reported it?
Asked and answered already, I doubt any passenger would be overly concerned by a brief sharp descent. Here's the third time for you to dodge this question, you tedious pussy - Why do you think these independent US pilots filed reports on the kamikaze problem? All I'm going to reply to you with from here is that question.
