Something I don't understand

[CHEEZY17]

Its a situation that requires a degree of brainpower to understand that you simply do not possess. Its not a simple problem or one that can be understood through Liberal talking points. Its a problem that has been manifesting for years if not decades. And not just in Florida.

I'm pretty sure you can dumb it down for me. I never had kids, so I don't pay attention to schools. Why are schools liberal? where have the educators failed the community?

A shortened, way too simplistic answer is this:
Academia, like many other professions, has been poisoned by unions and woke politics. Many school boards have become a rubber stamp for union wish lists instead of the external parental voice they are supposed to be. It is to the point now where often teachers/professors who do not adhere to the preferred dogma are ostracized and/or removed. There is of course way more to this complex problem. There are good regular teachers out there who do not fit the above. Many teachers however see their position as an opportunity to push agendas and politics. This is what, I imagine, DeSantis is fighting.

i wonder what the percentage of college professors is that are liberal voters? Of course, teachers mostly come out of the liberal arts, and if you just consider the professors in the liberal arts department, the number is probably over 80%.

I believe the latest polling puts the number at greater than 90% considering themselves "Liberal" or "Democrat". Its to the point now where conservative voices within academic administrations and faculty are being ostracized if not outright forced out in some cases.

[Animal]

Its a situation that requires a degree of brainpower to understand that you simply do not possess. Its not a simple problem or one that can be understood through Liberal talking points. Its a problem that has been manifesting for years if not decades. And not just in Florida.

I'm pretty sure you can dumb it down for me. I never had kids, so I don't pay attention to schools. Why are schools liberal? where have the educators failed the community?

A shortened, way too simplistic answer is this:
Academia, like many other professions, has been poisoned by unions and woke politics. Many school boards have become a rubber stamp for union wish lists instead of the external parental voice they are supposed to be. It is to the point now where often teachers/professors who do not adhere to the preferred dogma are ostracized and/or removed. There is of course way more to this complex problem. There are good regular teachers out there who do not fit the above. Many teachers however see their position as an opportunity to push agendas and politics. This is what, I imagine, DeSantis is fighting.

i wonder what the percentage of college professors is that are liberal voters? Of course, teachers mostly come out of the liberal arts, and if you just consider the professors in the liberal arts department, the number is probably over 80%.

I believe the latest polling puts the number at greater than 90% considering themselves "Liberal" or "Democrat". Its to the point now where conservative voices within academic administrations and faculty are being ostracized if not outright forced out in some cases.

the teachers lounge at all universities is pretty much like having Stapes, Who, CaptQueef, Efman, RD and AH all in the same room talking about Trump.

[Charliesheen]

Crapademics are indefensible. To say that conservatives want less education is so stoopid on all levels.

An educated electorate would be horrified with now the deep state is ignoring the constitution.

[Who]

Crapademics are indefensible. To say that conservatives want less education is so stoopid on all levels.

An educated electorate would be horrified with now the deep state is ignoring the constitution.

Show me where I said that?

[necronomous]

Crapademics are indefensible. To say that conservatives want less education is so stoopid on all levels.

An educated electorate would be horrified with now the deep state is ignoring the constitution.

Show me where I said that?

Show me in that post where he said you said that.

[Charliesheen]

It was sodium mutt’s first post in the thread.

Liberals need to take ownership of this mess in its entirety.

[Who]

It was sodium mutt’s first post in the thread.

Liberals need to take ownership of this mess in its entirety.

I’m sorry, you don’t vote, work, pay taxes, live in the United States?

Typical Trumpster, don’t take ownership for anything

[saltydog]

It was sodium mutt’s first post in the thread.

Liberals need to take ownership of this mess in its entirety.

Yes, I said it. Now go look up graduation/literacy rates compared to "red and blue" states and tell me it's not true.

[Charliesheen]

California


Next?

[CHEEZY17]

It was sodium mutt’s first post in the thread.

Liberals need to take ownership of this mess in its entirety.

Yes, I said it. Now go look up graduation/literacy rates compared to "red and blue" states and tell me it's not true.

Its very odd that you think ignorance and stupidity are exclusively red state things.
Do you think the anti-education culture warriors prevalent in the ghettos vote red? Or do you think that they might be hard core Dims?
Both red and blue have their dumbasses.

[saltydog]

It was sodium mutt’s first post in the thread.

Liberals need to take ownership of this mess in its entirety.

Yes, I said it. Now go look up graduation/literacy rates compared to "red and blue" states and tell me it's not true.

Its very odd that you think ignorance and stupidity are exclusively red state things.
Do you think the anti-education culture warriors prevalent in the ghettos vote red? Or do you think that they might be hard core Dims?
Both red and blue have their dumbasses.

Not exclusive, but when red-leaning states consistently rank lower in educational performance than blue-leaning states it's an interesting corollary.

[QillerDaemon]

Really, QD?
I know exactly what "woke" means. And, yes, I dislike most of it.

Yes, really. And I'm fully willing to concede that maybe (maybe maybe) *you* as a single specific person actually understands the notion of an idea being "woke". I will not concede that as a generality. I have too many examples in my personal and admittedly anecdotal circle of acquaintances of people using words like "woke" and "socialist" just simply to paint black ideas they fervently disapprove of. Often without the slightest clue of what they disagree with or why they are. They don't even have any what the current context of the word "woke" even means. Besides, what's really wrong with being politically conscious and alert to social injustice? What is your side really trying to hide in calling others "woke"?

[Animal]

we are trying to hide our embarrassment from the fact that there are really adults that spend time even thinking about pronouns.

[saltydog]

we are trying to hide our embarrassment from the fact that there are really adults that spend time even thinking about pronouns.

It's ok to admit that something you don't understand makes you uncircumcized.

[Animal]

we are trying to hide our embarrassment from the fact that there are really adults that spend time even thinking about pronouns.

It's ok to admit that something you don't understand makes you uncircumcized.

the world isn't an episode of Mr Roger's Neighborhood, Karen.

[saltydog]

we are trying to hide our embarrassment from the fact that there are really adults that spend time even thinking about pronouns.

It's ok to admit that something you don't understand makes you uncircumcized.

the world isn't an episode of Mr Roger's Neighborhood, Karen.

Your perception of the world isn't the only perception of the world.

That doesn't fit your personal nationalist agenda. I understand.

[B-Tender]

we are trying to hide our embarrassment from the fact that there are really adults that spend time even thinking about pronouns.

It's ok to admit that something you don't understand makes you uncircumcized.

the world isn't an episode of Mr Roger's Neighborhood, Karen.

Your perception of the world isn't the only perception of the world.

That doesn't fit your personal nationalist agenda. I understand.

I agree. We need people like Animal to lay concrete, and people with pronoun issues to be baristas.

[Charliesheen]

On paper, the situation looks great. The Oakland Unified School District (OUSD) has a budget of $750 million to allegedly educate about 34,835 students. This comes to over $21,000 per student. Not only is the district well-resourced, but it is also led by a big-brained thinker of a superintendent who rakes in a salary and benefits package worth over $425,500 per year. Why then do the elementary schools in this district rate in the lower 50% of all California schools and have an average reading proficiency score of 34% as opposed to the state average of 50%? Why are only 18% of Black and 23% of Hispanic kids on track to be able to read by the fourth grade?

Half a million dollars a classroom.

[Geist]

we are trying to hide our embarrassment from the fact that there are really adults that spend time even thinking about pronouns.

Adults going to church is much, much more embarrassing. Not to say they both aren't though.

[Animal]

we are trying to hide our embarrassment from the fact that there are really adults that spend time even thinking about pronouns.

Adults going to church is much, much more embarrassing. Not to say they both aren't though.

I was out at my ranch this week-end and we are in the middle of a god awful drought. I was just riding around checking on things and thinking about how dry it is right now. Huge cracks in the ground, some trees even dying (or losing their leaves) which is unusual for a drought unless it is really bad. Ponds dried up or close to it. Some ponds with good fish are so low that I'm not sure how the fish are surviving. The grass is so dead everywhere that a single match could torch the entire place.

Anyway, as I drove and thought about the condition things were in, I thought back to the people a hundred or two hundred years ago. The people with some livestock and ponds and some crops and gardens that they used to feed their families. And I thought how helpless they would be to watch their crops dry up, their water sources dry up, their well water dry up. And the pain of it happening so slowly as each day they watch the water levels go down or the crops start to lose their color. The live stock having nothing to eat or drink. They could do nothing to stop it from happening. The very definition of helpless. But, one thing that they could do? They could get on their knees and pray for something good to happen. Its not much of a stretch to think that they had to hope there was something above all of this that could step in and make changes. That just doesn't seem all that embarrassing to me.

[Geist]

we are trying to hide our embarrassment from the fact that there are really adults that spend time even thinking about pronouns.

Adults going to church is much, much more embarrassing. Not to say they both aren't though.

I was out at my ranch this week-end and we are in the middle of a god awful drought. I was just riding around checking on things and thinking about how dry it is right now. Huge cracks in the ground, some trees even dying (or losing their leaves) which is unusual for a drought unless it is really bad. Ponds dried up or close to it. Some ponds with good fish are so low that I'm not sure how the fish are surviving. The grass is so dead everywhere that a single match could torch the entire place.

Anyway, as I drove and thought about the condition things were in, I thought back to the people a hundred or two hundred years ago. The people with some livestock and ponds and some crops and gardens that they used to feed their families. And I thought how helpless they would be to watch their crops dry up, their water sources dry up, their well water dry up. And the pain of it happening so slowly as each day they watch the water levels go down or the crops start to lose their color. The live stock having nothing to eat or drink. They could do nothing to stop it from happening. The very definition of helpless. But, one thing that they could do? They could get on their knees and pray for something good to happen. Its not much of a stretch to think that they had to hope there was something above all of this that could step in and make changes. That just doesn't seem all that embarrassing to me.

No, that's actually super embarrassing. They're begging mythical creatures for handouts. Sounds like they should stop wasting time and energy and actually take tangible steps towards their goal.

[Who]

My original question still hasn’t been answered

[Deathproof]

Really, QD?
I know exactly what "woke" means. And, yes, I dislike most of it.

Yes, really. And I'm fully willing to concede that maybe (maybe maybe) *you* as a single specific person actually understands the notion of an idea being "woke". I will not concede that as a generality. I have too many examples in my personal and admittedly anecdotal circle of acquaintances of people using words like "woke" and "socialist" just simply to paint black ideas they fervently disapprove of. Often without the slightest clue of what they disagree with or why they are. They don't even have any what the current context of the word "woke" even means. Besides, what's really wrong with being politically conscious and alert to social injustice? What is your side really trying to hide in calling others "woke"?

They're not "alert to social injustice". They're perpetually-outraged, victim-mentality crybabies who invented mythological "injustice" to push their agenda.

[Who]

Seems we should revisit this

[CHEEZY17]

Seems we should revisit this

I answered it in posts 6 and 9.
I don't necessarily agree with the dismantling of the Department but by any measure the Department as a whole has been a failure. I'd rather see it overhauled and fixed. Education is an area where I am OK with a measure of Federal control.
If you bought something that was supposed to make your life better but has consistently made your life worse for 46 straight years you'd probably think something might be amiss, right?