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Wut wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 12:47 am
I disagree, aside from the fact that the people involved may not have been "imbeciles," the choice of whether or not to procreate is most fundamental to self determination, it's not a decision for the government.

Flumper wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 3:38 pm

Wut wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 12:47 am
I disagree, aside from the fact that the people involved may not have been "imbeciles," the choice of whether or not to procreate is most fundamental to self determination, it's not a decision for the government.

unless you live in a country where the government pays for stuff for you. Then its like going to a buffet that charges by the car load and bringing a bus load.

Wut wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 6:19 pm

Flumper wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 3:38 pm

Wut wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 12:47 am
I disagree, aside from the fact that the people involved may not have been "imbeciles," the choice of whether or not to procreate is most fundamental to self determination, it's not a decision for the government.

unless you live in a country where the government pays for stuff for you. Then its like going to a buffet that charges by the car load and bringing a bus load.

I don't understand what you're saying here.

Flumper wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 7:52 pm

Wut wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 6:19 pm

Flumper wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 3:38 pm

Wut wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 12:47 am
I disagree, aside from the fact that the people involved may not have been "imbeciles," the choice of whether or not to procreate is most fundamental to self determination, it's not a decision for the government.

unless you live in a country where the government pays for stuff for you. Then its like going to a buffet that charges by the car load and bringing a bus load.

I don't understand what you're saying here.

i'm kind of just being a jerk but with a little bit of food for thought involved.

If you have a government where they provide a lot of social(ist) programs (ie. insurance, food stamps, whatever) and you start having tons of kids then you are in some ways "hogging" your share of what the government is trying to provide. Obviously if everyone had 10+ kids the whole concept would fall apart since there wouldn't be enough people funding the government to pay for all the programs it was trying to provide. So, in a sense, government has a concern on the number of people there are. Obviously its a stretch to say they should control the population, but it is something to think about.

If that still doesn't make sense, then think about if you had a spare bedroom and you had a cousin that was on hard times and offered to let her move in. Then she moved in her kid with her and now you have two of them to help. Then the move in a couple more that you didn't know about and now you have 4. Then she.....

Reservoir Dog wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:01 pm Why do you assume the 10+ kids wouldn't be contributing to the fund as adults? More people equals more contributors.

Flumper wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:06 pm

Reservoir Dog wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:01 pm Why do you assume the 10+ kids wouldn't be contributing to the fund as adults? More people equals more contributors.

for some reason when people are raised dependent on government hand outs, then they don't tend to turn into big tax paying contributors. i don't know if the numbers support that. its just a hunch.

Flumper wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 7:52 pm

Wut wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 6:19 pm

Flumper wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 3:38 pm

Wut wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 12:47 am
I disagree, aside from the fact that the people involved may not have been "imbeciles," the choice of whether or not to procreate is most fundamental to self determination, it's not a decision for the government.

unless you live in a country where the government pays for stuff for you. Then its like going to a buffet that charges by the car load and bringing a bus load.

I don't understand what you're saying here.

i'm kind of just being a jerk but with a little bit of food for thought involved.

If you have a government where they provide a lot of social(ist) programs (ie. insurance, food stamps, whatever) and you start having tons of kids then you are in some ways "hogging" your share of what the government is trying to provide. Obviously if everyone had 10+ kids the whole concept would fall apart since there wouldn't be enough people funding the government to pay for all the programs it was trying to provide. So, in a sense, government has a concern on the number of people there are. Obviously its a stretch to say they should control the population, but it is something to think about.

If that still doesn't make sense, then think about if you had a spare bedroom and you had a cousin that was on hard times and offered to let her move in. Then she moved in her kid with her and now you have two of them to help. Then the move in a couple more that you didn't know about and now you have 4. Then she.....

Reservoir Dog wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:10 pm

Flumper wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:06 pm

Reservoir Dog wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:01 pm Why do you assume the 10+ kids wouldn't be contributing to the fund as adults? More people equals more contributors.

for some reason when people are raised dependent on government hand outs, then they don't tend to turn into big tax paying contributors. i don't know if the numbers support that. its just a hunch.

So only people dependent on government handouts are having the 10+ kids?

CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:21 pm

Reservoir Dog wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:10 pm

Flumper wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:06 pm

Reservoir Dog wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:01 pm Why do you assume the 10+ kids wouldn't be contributing to the fund as adults? More people equals more contributors.

for some reason when people are raised dependent on government hand outs, then they don't tend to turn into big tax paying contributors. i don't know if the numbers support that. its just a hunch.

So only people dependent on government handouts are having the 10+ kids?

In general, obviously not always, the higher the income the fewer the kids and vice versa.

Flumper wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:24 pm

CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:21 pm

Reservoir Dog wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:10 pm

Flumper wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:06 pm

Reservoir Dog wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:01 pm Why do you assume the 10+ kids wouldn't be contributing to the fund as adults? More people equals more contributors.

for some reason when people are raised dependent on government hand outs, then they don't tend to turn into big tax paying contributors. i don't know if the numbers support that. its just a hunch.

So only people dependent on government handouts are having the 10+ kids?

In general, obviously not always, the higher the income the fewer the kids and vice versa.

we live in a weird time where it is no longer politically correct to make generalizations. that is now perceived to be racist.

Flumper wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:24 pm

CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:21 pm

Reservoir Dog wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:10 pm

Flumper wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:06 pm

Reservoir Dog wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:01 pm Why do you assume the 10+ kids wouldn't be contributing to the fund as adults? More people equals more contributors.

for some reason when people are raised dependent on government hand outs, then they don't tend to turn into big tax paying contributors. i don't know if the numbers support that. its just a hunch.

So only people dependent on government handouts are having the 10+ kids?

In general, obviously not always, the higher the income the fewer the kids and vice versa.

we live in a weird time where it is no longer politically correct to make generalizations. that is now perceived to be racist.

megman wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:13 pm

Flumper wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:24 pm

CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:21 pm

Reservoir Dog wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:10 pm

Flumper wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:06 pm

Reservoir Dog wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:01 pm Why do you assume the 10+ kids wouldn't be contributing to the fund as adults? More people equals more contributors.

for some reason when people are raised dependent on government hand outs, then they don't tend to turn into big tax paying contributors. i don't know if the numbers support that. its just a hunch.

So only people dependent on government handouts are having the 10+ kids?

In general, obviously not always, the higher the income the fewer the kids and vice versa.

we live in a weird time where it is no longer politically correct to make generalizations. that is now perceived to be racist.

In general.

FreakShowFanatic wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:10 pm

Flumper wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:24 pm

CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:21 pm

Reservoir Dog wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:10 pm

Flumper wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:06 pm

Reservoir Dog wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:01 pm Why do you assume the 10+ kids wouldn't be contributing to the fund as adults? More people equals more contributors.

for some reason when people are raised dependent on government hand outs, then they don't tend to turn into big tax paying contributors. i don't know if the numbers support that. its just a hunch.

So only people dependent on government handouts are having the 10+ kids?

In general, obviously not always, the higher the income the fewer the kids and vice versa.

we live in a weird time where it is no longer politically correct to make generalizations. that is now perceived to be racist.

True but it sucks when people make generalizations about somebody specifically that are completely untrue. That's when I get pissed off. My wife has a few black friends that are basically hard working, honest, law abiding and completely awesome people. Try telling that to someone that likes to make blanket statements about blacks, for example.

CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:17 pm

FreakShowFanatic wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:10 pm

Flumper wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:24 pm

CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:21 pm

Reservoir Dog wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:10 pm

Flumper wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:06 pm

for some reason when people are raised dependent on government hand outs, then they don't tend to turn into big tax paying contributors. i don't know if the numbers support that. its just a hunch.

So only people dependent on government handouts are having the 10+ kids?

In general, obviously not always, the higher the income the fewer the kids and vice versa.

we live in a weird time where it is no longer politically correct to make generalizations. that is now perceived to be racist.

True but it sucks when people make generalizations about somebody specifically that are completely untrue. That's when I get pissed off. My wife has a few black friends that are basically hard working, honest, law abiding and completely awesome people. Try telling that to someone that likes to make blanket statements about blacks, for example.

Jeezus, dude. I try not to get involved with piling on but you gotta stop sharing so much info. Are these black friends your wife has single young males around 20-30 years of age?

beagleboy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 2:35 pm If 5% of the population got the Coronavirus in the US, and at normal hospital ratios in China that means 3.3m people will be admitted to the hospital. About 150k-300k would end up dead. There are cities in China where the death rate is on par with the normal flu. There are cities where it is far higher than 2% - more along the lines of 10%.

5-20% of the US population come down with a version of the flu every year and on the high end 200,000 get admitted to the hospital. It's more likely an issue in the US for next winter, not this one. I've seen analysts already whacking tourism oriented company profit forecasts for next year.

My brother in law went to Japan about 3 weeks ago for work and said his company told the team to make plans ahead of time in case they are quarantined.

megman wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:19 pm

CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:17 pm

FreakShowFanatic wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:10 pm

Flumper wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:24 pm

CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:21 pm

Reservoir Dog wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:10 pm

So only people dependent on government handouts are having the 10+ kids?

In general, obviously not always, the higher the income the fewer the kids and vice versa.

we live in a weird time where it is no longer politically correct to make generalizations. that is now perceived to be racist.

True but it sucks when people make generalizations about somebody specifically that are completely untrue. That's when I get pissed off. My wife has a few black friends that are basically hard working, honest, law abiding and completely awesome people. Try telling that to someone that likes to make blanket statements about blacks, for example.

Jeezus, dude. I try not to get involved with piling on but you gotta stop sharing so much info. Are these black friends your wife has single young males around 20-30 years of age?

And working out at the gym?

FreakShowFanatic wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:24 pm

beagleboy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 2:35 pm If 5% of the population got the Coronavirus in the US, and at normal hospital ratios in China that means 3.3m people will be admitted to the hospital. About 150k-300k would end up dead. There are cities in China where the death rate is on par with the normal flu. There are cities where it is far higher than 2% - more along the lines of 10%.

5-20% of the US population come down with a version of the flu every year and on the high end 200,000 get admitted to the hospital. It's more likely an issue in the US for next winter, not this one. I've seen analysts already whacking tourism oriented company profit forecasts for next year.

My brother in law went to Japan about 3 weeks ago for work and said his company told the team to make plans ahead of time in case they are quarantined.

That's a good point. From what I've read the US has no where near the hospital capacity (equipped properly) to handle the predicted outbreak here. Hospitals are always running at around 90% capacity to maintain profitability currently. Therefore, the death rate could be well above 2.5% when people can't get proper treatment. Pretty soon we're all gonna be quarantined at home with nothing to do but post on UJR and get sick and die from the virus.

Flumper wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:30 pm

FreakShowFanatic wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:24 pm

beagleboy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 2:35 pm If 5% of the population got the Coronavirus in the US, and at normal hospital ratios in China that means 3.3m people will be admitted to the hospital. About 150k-300k would end up dead. There are cities in China where the death rate is on par with the normal flu. There are cities where it is far higher than 2% - more along the lines of 10%.

5-20% of the US population come down with a version of the flu every year and on the high end 200,000 get admitted to the hospital. It's more likely an issue in the US for next winter, not this one. I've seen analysts already whacking tourism oriented company profit forecasts for next year.

My brother in law went to Japan about 3 weeks ago for work and said his company told the team to make plans ahead of time in case they are quarantined.

That's a good point. From what I've read the US has no where near the hospital capacity (equipped properly) to handle the predicted outbreak here. Hospitals are always running at around 90% capacity to maintain profitability currently. Therefore, the death rate could be well above 2.5% when people can't get proper treatment. Pretty soon we're all gonna be quarantined at home with nothing to do but post on UJR and get sick and die from the virus.

i'm no geohospital global scientist, but I'm going to venture to say that the US is better equipped medically to deal with the numbers of people than, say, china.

FreakShowFanatic wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:26 pm

megman wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:19 pm

CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:17 pm

FreakShowFanatic wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:10 pm

Flumper wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:24 pm

CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:21 pm

In general, obviously not always, the higher the income the fewer the kids and vice versa.

we live in a weird time where it is no longer politically correct to make generalizations. that is now perceived to be racist.

True but it sucks when people make generalizations about somebody specifically that are completely untrue. That's when I get pissed off. My wife has a few black friends that are basically hard working, honest, law abiding and completely awesome people. Try telling that to someone that likes to make blanket statements about blacks, for example.

Jeezus, dude. I try not to get involved with piling on but you gotta stop sharing so much info. Are these black friends your wife has single young males around 20-30 years of age?

And working out at the gym?

No, both married and female, around her age. They don't work out at the gym either, she knows them from work. But anyhow, it's a shame people are so afraid of getting personally attacked these days that they're afraid to share any personal information. It makes the site less interesting and at the original UJ it wasn't always like that. Cheezy used to share stories about his Detroit adventures and the black women he slept with.

Reservoir Dog wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:38 pm

FreakShowFanatic wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:26 pm

megman wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:19 pm

CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:17 pm

FreakShowFanatic wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:10 pm

Flumper wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:24 pm

we live in a weird time where it is no longer politically correct to make generalizations. that is now perceived to be racist.

True but it sucks when people make generalizations about somebody specifically that are completely untrue. That's when I get pissed off. My wife has a few black friends that are basically hard working, honest, law abiding and completely awesome people. Try telling that to someone that likes to make blanket statements about blacks, for example.

Jeezus, dude. I try not to get involved with piling on but you gotta stop sharing so much info. Are these black friends your wife has single young males around 20-30 years of age?

And working out at the gym?

No, both married and female, around her age. They don't work out at the gym either, she knows them from work. But anyhow, it's a shame people are so afraid of getting personally attacked these days that they're afraid to share any personal information. It makes the site less interesting and at the original UJ it wasn't always like that. Cheezy used to share stories about his Detroit adventures and the black women he slept with.

Says the guy who routinely attacks people on a personal level.

FreakShowFanatic wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:41 pm

Reservoir Dog wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:38 pm

FreakShowFanatic wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:26 pm

megman wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:19 pm

CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:17 pm

FreakShowFanatic wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:10 pm
True but it sucks when people make generalizations about somebody specifically that are completely untrue. That's when I get pissed off. My wife has a few black friends that are basically hard working, honest, law abiding and completely awesome people. Try telling that to someone that likes to make blanket statements about blacks, for example.

Jeezus, dude. I try not to get involved with piling on but you gotta stop sharing so much info. Are these black friends your wife has single young males around 20-30 years of age?

And working out at the gym?

No, both married and female, around her age. They don't work out at the gym either, she knows them from work. But anyhow, it's a shame people are so afraid of getting personally attacked these days that they're afraid to share any personal information. It makes the site less interesting and at the original UJ it wasn't always like that. Cheezy used to share stories about his Detroit adventures and the black women he slept with.

Says the guy who routinely attacks people on a personal level.

Only to fight fire with fire. You made pictures and trashed on my wife just for being hispanic way before I came back at you. The only one to blame is yourself. If you don't like it then quit doing it. That's when you won't get attacked in return.

Reservoir Dog wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:43 pm

FreakShowFanatic wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:41 pm

Reservoir Dog wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:38 pm

FreakShowFanatic wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:26 pm

megman wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:19 pm

CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:17 pm

Jeezus, dude. I try not to get involved with piling on but you gotta stop sharing so much info. Are these black friends your wife has single young males around 20-30 years of age?

And working out at the gym?

No, both married and female, around her age. They don't work out at the gym either, she knows them from work. But anyhow, it's a shame people are so afraid of getting personally attacked these days that they're afraid to share any personal information. It makes the site less interesting and at the original UJ it wasn't always like that. Cheezy used to share stories about his Detroit adventures and the black women he slept with.

Says the guy who routinely attacks people on a personal level.

Only to fight fire with fire. You made pictures and trashed on my wife just for being hispanic way before I came back at you. The only one to blame is yourself. If you don't like it then quit doing it. That's when you won't get attacked in return.

You have a very short memory.

FreakShowFanatic wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:35 pm I'm not sure about that comparison, I'll have to look into it further. Regardless, I highly doubt there are enough hospital beds available for the hundreds of thousands that could get this virus in the US. It was pretty amazing to see how fast the chinese were able to build several hospitals, just in a matter of 2-3 weeks. Do you think the US could do that?

Flumper wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 10:09 pm

FreakShowFanatic wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:35 pm I'm not sure about that comparison, I'll have to look into it further. Regardless, I highly doubt there are enough hospital beds available for the hundreds of thousands that could get this virus in the US. It was pretty amazing to see how fast the chinese were able to build several hospitals, just in a matter of 2-3 weeks. Do you think the US could do that?

one thing that you have to remember is that, for all of its wealth and economic impact, China is a 3rd world country. And the term "3rd world" isn't just some arbitrary name tag. Its part of the reason the people eat rats and wolf pups.

FreakShowFanatic wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:48 pm

Reservoir Dog wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:43 pm

FreakShowFanatic wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:41 pm

Reservoir Dog wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:38 pm

FreakShowFanatic wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:26 pm

megman wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:19 pm
And working out at the gym?

No, both married and female, around her age. They don't work out at the gym either, she knows them from work. But anyhow, it's a shame people are so afraid of getting personally attacked these days that they're afraid to share any personal information. It makes the site less interesting and at the original UJ it wasn't always like that. Cheezy used to share stories about his Detroit adventures and the black women he slept with.

Says the guy who routinely attacks people on a personal level.

Only to fight fire with fire. You made pictures and trashed on my wife just for being hispanic way before I came back at you. The only one to blame is yourself. If you don't like it then quit doing it. That's when you won't get attacked in return.

You have a very short memory.

Good, 'cause bitches like you can't let go of the past. I'm on this board tonight thinking about now and the future. If you want to talk about something that happened years ago I personally don't have time to review that now 'cause it's water under the bridge, but then again I'm christian. I know how to forgive. Nobody killed anybody here or robbed from anyone or fucked their SO's. I've given you tons of opportunity to get over it & let bygones be bygones but like a little girl you want to keep whining. Srsly dawg, get some balls.