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Re: SpaceX Starlink internet
Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2021 3:31 am
by megman
Someone is taking the board too seriously.....
Re: SpaceX Starlink internet
Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2021 3:48 am
by CentralTexasCrude
Reservoir Dog wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 3:22 am
Animal wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 1:48 am
CentralTexasCrude wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 11:50 pm
Reservoir Dog wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 11:33 pm
CentralTexasCrude wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 11:27 pm
Reservoir Dog wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 11:16 pm
I've been an amateur astronomer for 35 years and I'm here to tell you that satellites are a royal pain in the ass!
And that's amateur. Can you imagine what it does with those Billion $ telescope arrays doing different projects sometimes requiring absolute no interference.
That's not how it works, dude.
Earth telescopes focusing on things billions of miles away are not hampered by low focus satellites.
And you are wrong. Just like the famous "Deep Field" survey by Hubble back in the day, they also need to be focused on a particular point in the sky over a long period of time with no deviation or obstruction, like wut's meteor survey. Those distances demand it. They aren't pointing and clicking, Dude.
i think what he means is that their focal point in that area would be so minute that satellites at this elevation would be negligible. but i don't know shit about astronomy.
This is essentially correct (in layman's terms).
Think about it like this. If I take my Nikon camera and I focus on and take a picture of something a mile away, whatever is 10 feet in front of me will be horribly out of focus. Now multiply that by 5 billion miles and add a black background.
All due respect, I agree with your analogy but disagree with your logic. Again, being somewhat limited on knowledge on how the technology of these telescope projects work, it just seems (to me) you are again missing the whole point. You are thinking of the telescope you look through in your back yard (or wherever) and a camera as the same. This is correct. You look through- instant image. That's not how these Billion $ telescopes work. You have your 100 m (whatever) telescope there and you have another one on the other side of the Earth both focused on the same area you are studying. Coordinated timing and long term viewing is the key. Neither has a 100m telescope. They both together are a telescope of 12,000 miles ( diameter of the Earth).
Re: SpaceX Starlink internet
Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2021 3:51 am
by CentralTexasCrude
Animal wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 3:28 am
CentralTexasCrude wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 3:26 am
Animal wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 3:12 am
i have to be honest. i've noticed it.
Who hasn't. It's not poking in threads and taking pot shots occasionally. Everybody does that. It's what makes the site fun. But if you watch his responses and times, he's obviously hovering over his keyboard waiting to pounce at the first sign of a new post, striking and then not realizing what he just typed didn't have anything to do with the post or thread subject. That's when your internal self should be flashing a warning signal saying "Dude, logoff, step away and take a few days to clear your head". Believe me, I've done that several times over the years.
are you doing it now?
Don't need to. I'm not going psycho. I do know when that time comes though and will step away for a few. Something CQ needs right now.
Re: SpaceX Starlink internet
Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2021 3:52 am
by CentralTexasCrude
megman wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 3:31 am
Someone is taking the board too seriously.....
Well, Animal has had a lot on his mind.
Re: SpaceX Starlink internet
Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2021 3:54 am
by Animal
CentralTexasCrude wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 3:48 am
Reservoir Dog wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 3:22 am
Animal wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 1:48 am
CentralTexasCrude wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 11:50 pm
Reservoir Dog wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 11:33 pm
CentralTexasCrude wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 11:27 pm
And that's amateur. Can you imagine what it does with those Billion $ telescope arrays doing different projects sometimes requiring absolute no interference.
That's not how it works, dude.
Earth telescopes focusing on things billions of miles away are not hampered by low focus satellites.
And you are wrong. Just like the famous "Deep Field" survey by Hubble back in the day, they also need to be focused on a particular point in the sky over a long period of time with no deviation or obstruction, like wut's meteor survey. Those distances demand it. They aren't pointing and clicking, Dude.
i think what he means is that their focal point in that area would be so minute that satellites at this elevation would be negligible. but i don't know shit about astronomy.
This is essentially correct (in layman's terms).
Think about it like this. If I take my Nikon camera and I focus on and take a picture of something a mile away, whatever is 10 feet in front of me will be horribly out of focus. Now multiply that by 5 billion miles and add a black background.
All due respect, I agree with your analogy but disagree with your logic. Again, being somewhat limited on knowledge on how the technology of these telescope projects work, it just seems (to me) you are again missing the whole point. You are thinking of the telescope you look through in your back yard (or wherever) and a camera as the same. This is correct. You look through- instant image. That's not how these Billion $ telescopes work. You have your 100 m (whatever) telescope there and you have another one on the other side of the Earth both focused on the same area you are studying. Coordinated timing and long term viewing is the key. Neither has a 100m telescope. They both together are a telescope of 12,000 miles ( diameter of the Earth).
in terms of using 2 points to view the same thing from 2 perspectives, that makes sense. but you are going to have to explain how those two are functioning as a single telescope.
Re: SpaceX Starlink internet
Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2021 3:57 am
by Reservoir Dog
CentralTexasCrude wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 3:48 am
Reservoir Dog wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 3:22 am
Animal wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 1:48 am
CentralTexasCrude wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 11:50 pm
Reservoir Dog wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 11:33 pm
CentralTexasCrude wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 11:27 pm
And that's amateur. Can you imagine what it does with those Billion $ telescope arrays doing different projects sometimes requiring absolute no interference.
That's not how it works, dude.
Earth telescopes focusing on things billions of miles away are not hampered by low focus satellites.
And you are wrong. Just like the famous "Deep Field" survey by Hubble back in the day, they also need to be focused on a particular point in the sky over a long period of time with no deviation or obstruction, like wut's meteor survey. Those distances demand it. They aren't pointing and clicking, Dude.
i think what he means is that their focal point in that area would be so minute that satellites at this elevation would be negligible. but i don't know shit about astronomy.
This is essentially correct (in layman's terms).
Think about it like this. If I take my Nikon camera and I focus on and take a picture of something a mile away, whatever is 10 feet in front of me will be horribly out of focus. Now multiply that by 5 billion miles and add a black background.
All due respect, I agree with your analogy but disagree with your logic. Again, being somewhat limited on knowledge on how the technology of these telescope projects work, it just seems (to me) you are again missing the whole point. You are thinking of the telescope you look through in your back yard (or wherever) and a camera as the same. This is correct. You look through- instant image. That's not how these Billion $ telescopes work. You have your 100 m (whatever) telescope there and you have another one on the other side of the Earth both focused on the same area you are studying. Coordinated timing and long term viewing is the key. Neither has a 100m telescope. They both together are a telescope of 12,000 miles ( diameter of the Earth).
CentralTexasCrude wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 2:11 am
I'm way lacking on the knowledge/ technology used on these ground based telescope projects. Hubble/ future Webb space telescopes even more.
Re: SpaceX Starlink internet
Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2021 4:04 am
by Reservoir Dog
Animal wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 3:54 am
CentralTexasCrude wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 3:48 am
Reservoir Dog wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 3:22 am
Animal wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 1:48 am
CentralTexasCrude wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 11:50 pm
Reservoir Dog wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 11:33 pm
That's not how it works, dude.
Earth telescopes focusing on things billions of miles away are not hampered by low focus satellites.
And you are wrong. Just like the famous "Deep Field" survey by Hubble back in the day, they also need to be focused on a particular point in the sky over a long period of time with no deviation or obstruction, like wut's meteor survey. Those distances demand it. They aren't pointing and clicking, Dude.
i think what he means is that their focal point in that area would be so minute that satellites at this elevation would be negligible. but i don't know shit about astronomy.
This is essentially correct (in layman's terms).
Think about it like this. If I take my Nikon camera and I focus on and take a picture of something a mile away, whatever is 10 feet in front of me will be horribly out of focus. Now multiply that by 5 billion miles and add a black background.
All due respect, I agree with your analogy but disagree with your logic. Again, being somewhat limited on knowledge on how the technology of these telescope projects work, it just seems (to me) you are again missing the whole point. You are thinking of the telescope you look through in your back yard (or wherever) and a camera as the same. This is correct. You look through- instant image. That's not how these Billion $ telescopes work. You have your 100 m (whatever) telescope there and you have another one on the other side of the Earth both focused on the same area you are studying. Coordinated timing and long term viewing is the key. Neither has a 100m telescope. They both together are a telescope of 12,000 miles ( diameter of the Earth).
in terms of using 2 points to view the same thing from 2 perspectives, that makes sense. but you are going to have to explain how those two are functioning as a single telescope.
They have actually done it with 3 telescopes. It's called Interferometry. Give it a Google and read a little bit about it.
Edit: Here, check this out.
https://www.popsci.com/technology/artic ... nt-object/
Re: SpaceX Starlink internet
Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2021 4:05 am
by CentralTexasCrude
Animal wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 3:54 am
CentralTexasCrude wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 3:48 am
Reservoir Dog wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 3:22 am
Animal wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 1:48 am
CentralTexasCrude wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 11:50 pm
Reservoir Dog wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 11:33 pm
That's not how it works, dude.
Earth telescopes focusing on things billions of miles away are not hampered by low focus satellites.
And you are wrong. Just like the famous "Deep Field" survey by Hubble back in the day, they also need to be focused on a particular point in the sky over a long period of time with no deviation or obstruction, like wut's meteor survey. Those distances demand it. They aren't pointing and clicking, Dude.
i think what he means is that their focal point in that area would be so minute that satellites at this elevation would be negligible. but i don't know shit about astronomy.
This is essentially correct (in layman's terms).
Think about it like this. If I take my Nikon camera and I focus on and take a picture of something a mile away, whatever is 10 feet in front of me will be horribly out of focus. Now multiply that by 5 billion miles and add a black background.
All due respect, I agree with your analogy but disagree with your logic. Again, being somewhat limited on knowledge on how the technology of these telescope projects work, it just seems (to me) you are again missing the whole point. You are thinking of the telescope you look through in your back yard (or wherever) and a camera as the same. This is correct. You look through- instant image. That's not how these Billion $ telescopes work. You have your 100 m (whatever) telescope there and you have another one on the other side of the Earth both focused on the same area you are studying. Coordinated timing and long term viewing is the key. Neither has a 100m telescope. They both together are a telescope of 12,000 miles ( diameter of the Earth).
in terms of using 2 points to view the same thing from 2 perspectives, that makes sense. but you are going to have to explain how those two are functioning as a single telescope.
Again, I'm pretty frustrated at not having a grasp on the modern technology involved so I'll dumb it down for myself. 100 m telescope. There's your image. 2 on opposite sides of the Earth, computer technology 12,000 mile telescope. I would welcome input from anyone that has knowledge on how this works. I'm already setting aside some time to Google this to educate myself. Kind of pissed off I don't grasp how this concept works. I get the basics.
Re: SpaceX Starlink internet
Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2021 4:09 am
by CentralTexasCrude
Reservoir Dog wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 4:04 am
Animal wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 3:54 am
CentralTexasCrude wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 3:48 am
Reservoir Dog wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 3:22 am
Animal wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 1:48 am
CentralTexasCrude wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 11:50 pm
And you are wrong. Just like the famous "Deep Field" survey by Hubble back in the day, they also need to be focused on a particular point in the sky over a long period of time with no deviation or obstruction, like wut's meteor survey. Those distances demand it. They aren't pointing and clicking, Dude.
i think what he means is that their focal point in that area would be so minute that satellites at this elevation would be negligible. but i don't know shit about astronomy.
This is essentially correct (in layman's terms).
Think about it like this. If I take my Nikon camera and I focus on and take a picture of something a mile away, whatever is 10 feet in front of me will be horribly out of focus. Now multiply that by 5 billion miles and add a black background.
All due respect, I agree with your analogy but disagree with your logic. Again, being somewhat limited on knowledge on how the technology of these telescope projects work, it just seems (to me) you are again missing the whole point. You are thinking of the telescope you look through in your back yard (or wherever) and a camera as the same. This is correct. You look through- instant image. That's not how these Billion $ telescopes work. You have your 100 m (whatever) telescope there and you have another one on the other side of the Earth both focused on the same area you are studying. Coordinated timing and long term viewing is the key. Neither has a 100m telescope. They both together are a telescope of 12,000 miles ( diameter of the Earth).
in terms of using 2 points to view the same thing from 2 perspectives, that makes sense. but you are going to have to explain how those two are functioning as a single telescope.
They have actually done it with 3 telescopes. It's called Interferometry. Give it a Google and read a little bit about it.
Thanks. Same concept- they've proposed putting 2 Hubble type satellites on opposite sides of the sun and create a 200 million mile base telescope.
Re: SpaceX Starlink internet
Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2021 11:26 am
by CaptQuint
“Well you see, Norm, it’s like this … A herd of buffalo can only move as fast as the slowest buffalo. And when the herd is hunted, it is the slowest and weakest ones at the back that are killed first. This natural selection is good for the herd as a whole, because the general speed and health of the whole group keeps improving by the regular killing of the weakest members. In much the same way, the human brain can only operate as fast as the slowest brain cells. Now, as we know, excessive intake of alcohol kills brain cells. But naturally, it attacks the slowest and weakest brain cells first. In this way, regular consumption of beer eliminates the weaker brain cells, making the brain a faster and more efficient machine. And that, Norm, is why you always feel smarter after a few beers.”
Re: SpaceX Starlink internet
Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2021 5:03 pm
by Animal
Okay, I think I can explain it now. Thanks for the link.
Imagine that you are a long ass way from earth looking back at earth. And there are, let's say 50 telescopes scattered around the globe that are pointed at you. Each one has a mirror that is reflecting toward you and the rest of the earth is black. Now, that wouldn't be very impressive, in fact, probably not even noticeable against the black background of the planet. But then imagine if the earth was rotating. And each of those mirrors was slowly moving and gathering data as they moved. If these mirrors all moved and you had pictures of their locations (from way the fuck out in space) as they moved, then eventually, after say a year of this, you could stitch together a picture of the earth's surface that was almost completely covered by these mirrors. Thus making one giant mirror the size of the earth out of 50 tiny mirrors all moving and recording data for one year.
Now, flip this around to where you are on earth and you have a single mirror the size of the earth's surface that is looking out into space and slowly gathering data to stitch together one image.
Re: SpaceX Starlink internet
Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2021 3:12 am
by Animal
woohooguy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 10:03 pm
SpaceX has been building out high speed satellite internet access, and no, this isn't your grandfathers inter..wait, your grandfather didnt know anything but how to effectively kill Nazis (bless his heart)...
This isn't your uncles satellite internet... No, the other uncle, the one didnt go away for doing bad things on the internet... mooving on
Starlink -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starlink
"The cost of the decade-long project to design, build, and deploy the constellation was estimated by SpaceX in May 2018 to be at least US$10 billion."
So all you people out in the sticks may actually have decent internet for once, in the next couple of years.
You know who else this will benefit?
South American cam whores streaming over DSL currently suspended between banana trees.
bump
Re: SpaceX Starlink internet
Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2021 3:26 am
by CentralTexasCrude
Awesome. Miss WooHooGuy
Re: SpaceX Starlink internet
Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2021 12:43 am
by woohooguy
Animal wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 3:12 am
woohooguy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 10:03 pm
SpaceX has been building out high speed satellite internet access, and no, this isn't your grandfathers inter..wait, your grandfather didnt know anything but how to effectively kill Nazis (bless his heart)...
This isn't your uncles satellite internet... No, the other uncle, the one didnt go away for doing bad things on the internet... mooving on
Starlink -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starlink
"The cost of the decade-long project to design, build, and deploy the constellation was estimated by SpaceX in May 2018 to be at least US$10 billion."
So all you people out in the sticks may actually have decent internet for once, in the next couple of years.
You know who else this will benefit?
South American cam whores streaming over DSL currently suspended between banana trees.
bump
I think someone noticed all the Columbian whores went missing from Chaturbate...
Re: SpaceX Starlink internet
Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2021 1:28 am
by CentralTexasCrude
woohooguy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 12:43 am
Animal wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 3:12 am
woohooguy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 10:03 pm
SpaceX has been building out high speed satellite internet access, and no, this isn't your grandfathers inter..wait, your grandfather didnt know anything but how to effectively kill Nazis (bless his heart)...
This isn't your uncles satellite internet... No, the other uncle, the one didnt go away for doing bad things on the internet... mooving on
Starlink -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starlink
"The cost of the decade-long project to design, build, and deploy the constellation was estimated by SpaceX in May 2018 to be at least US$10 billion."
So all you people out in the sticks may actually have decent internet for once, in the next couple of years.
You know who else this will benefit?
South American cam whores streaming over DSL currently suspended between banana trees.
Well, look what the cat drug in.
bump
I think someone noticed all the Columbian whores went missing from Chaturbate...
Re: SpaceX Starlink internet
Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2021 1:29 am
by CentralTexasCrude
woohooguy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 12:43 am
Animal wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 3:12 am
woohooguy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 10:03 pm
SpaceX has been building out high speed satellite internet access, and no, this isn't your grandfathers inter..wait, your grandfather didnt know anything but how to effectively kill Nazis (bless his heart)...
This isn't your uncles satellite internet... No, the other uncle, the one didnt go away for doing bad things on the internet... mooving on
Starlink -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starlink
"The cost of the decade-long project to design, build, and deploy the constellation was estimated by SpaceX in May 2018 to be at least US$10 billion."
So all you people out in the sticks may actually have decent internet for once, in the next couple of years.
You know who else this will benefit?
South American cam whores streaming over DSL currently suspended between banana trees.
bump
I think someone noticed all the Columbian whores went missing from Chaturbate...
Well, look what the cat drug in
Re: SpaceX Starlink internet
Posted: Sat Dec 25, 2021 4:00 am
by woohooguy