Trump is starting WW3

[Reservoir Dog]

So your all for war mongers invading other countries. Got it.

You'll be happy when your Canadian brothers are sent over, right?
There was a real possibility for peace just days ago.
Democrats are now the pro-war party.

If I was still serving I'd be proud to go.

So you're on board with letting your fellow Cancucks fight in Ukraine? That's mighty white of you from the comfort of your couch

Big talk from someone who never served. Just STFU.

Answer the question. You want Canadians to fight Russians in Ukraine? Say it, pussy

Keep sucking Russian cock, faggot.

[CHEEZY17]

So your all for war mongers invading other countries. Got it.

You'll be happy when your Canadian brothers are sent over, right?
There was a real possibility for peace just days ago.
Democrats are now the pro-war party.

Before Trump started w/ his insistence on a mineral deal, there was a better chance for peace with a traditional ceasefire negotiation. The war is at a stalemate, and both Russia and Ukraine were having trouble with casualties and troop levels.

What card would Zelensky have received from Trump if he had signed the mineral deal? It sounded like Trump was willing to continue support if the deal got signed.

Or do you have another theory on Trump's card analogy?

I don't claim to be a geopolitical or military expert but with the mineral deal Ukraine would have had a recognized official international agreement with the United States for mineral operations. That means operations by US companies and most likely the US government inside of Ukraine. It seems very unlikely that Russia would get aggressive with official US interests already on the land they'd like to acquire. I suspect that is the card Trump is talking about. What Zelensky wants is an official military presence in Ukraine on the battlefield. I think people don't realize how dangerous it is if we or the UK or anyone in NATO puts troops on the battlefield. At that point, if something should happen it becomes an attack on ALL of NATO and they would be obligated to retaliate. THAT is WWIII.
What happens when NATO forces attack Russia? Who is Russia going to turn to? China. Is this what the pro-war Left really wants? JFC the fucking imp needs to move toward peace; not antagonistic talk.
Thankfully, the Euroweenies are already telling the little guy he needs to make nice with the US.

[Antknot]

[Burn1dwn]

I don't claim to be a geopolitical or military expert but with the mineral deal Ukraine would have had a recognized official international agreement with the United States for mineral operations. That means operations by US companies and most likely the US government inside of Ukraine. It seems very unlikely that Russia would get aggressive with official US interests already on the land they'd like to acquire. I suspect that is the card Trump is talking about. What Zelensky wants is an official military presence in Ukraine on the battlefield. I think people don't realize how dangerous it is if we or the UK or anyone in NATO puts troops on the battlefield. At that point, if something should happen it becomes an attack on ALL of NATO and they would be obligated to retaliate. THAT is WWIII.
What happens when NATO forces attack Russia? Who is Russia going to turn to? China. Is this what the pro-war Left really wants? JFC the fucking imp needs to move toward peace; not antagonistic talk.
Thankfully, the Euroweenies are already telling the little guy he needs to make nice with the US.

These Minerals are years away from being mined. It takes a lot of resources just to start mines and Ukraine is already having infustructure problems and it's power supply is 30% of where it was before the war. It's not like the deal gets signed and Elon opens up Tesla and SpaceX plants the next day.

Ukraine already bought weapons from the US that once delivered can keep the stalemate going for years.

A ceasefire would still be necessary to end the war quickly, whether the deal is signed or not. It looks like Trump added another contingency to the ceasefire for no reason other than because he could. The mineral deal was not part of the equation of ending the war until Trump made it one. And it looks like Trump is willing to appease Russia as punishment to Zelensky for not signing it.

[Reservoir Dog]

[A ceasefire would still be necessary to end the war quickly, whether the deal is signed or not. It looks like Trump added another contingency to the ceasefire for no reason other than because he could. The mineral deal was not part of the equation of ending the war until Trump made it one. And it looks like Trump is willing to appease Russia as punishment to Zelensky for not signing it.

Also, don't forget that it was Trump's phone call/extortion attempt to Zelensky that got Trump impeached.
I'm pretty sure that is still fresh in Trump's mind.

[Burn1dwn]

[A ceasefire would still be necessary to end the war quickly, whether the deal is signed or not. It looks like Trump added another contingency to the ceasefire for no reason other than because he could. The mineral deal was not part of the equation of ending the war until Trump made it one. And it looks like Trump is willing to appease Russia as punishment to Zelensky for not signing it.

Also, don't forget that it was Trump's phone call/extortion attempt to Zelensky that got Trump impeached.
I'm pretty sure that is still fresh in Trump's mind.

"The new administration is rapidly changing all foreign policy configurations. This largely aligns with our vision," Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov told a state television reporter.

[Biker]

[A ceasefire would still be necessary to end the war quickly, whether the deal is signed or not. It looks like Trump added another contingency to the ceasefire for no reason other than because he could. The mineral deal was not part of the equation of ending the war until Trump made it one. And it looks like Trump is willing to appease Russia as punishment to Zelensky for not signing it.

Also, don't forget that it was Trump's phone call/extortion attempt to Zelensky that got Trump impeached.
I'm pretty sure that is still fresh in Trump's mind.

The same phone call that Biden eventually gave his son a preemptive pardon.

Way to kick your own ass, Rick

[Reservoir Dog]

[A ceasefire would still be necessary to end the war quickly, whether the deal is signed or not. It looks like Trump added another contingency to the ceasefire for no reason other than because he could. The mineral deal was not part of the equation of ending the war until Trump made it one. And it looks like Trump is willing to appease Russia as punishment to Zelensky for not signing it.

Also, don't forget that it was Trump's phone call/extortion attempt to Zelensky that got Trump impeached.
I'm pretty sure that is still fresh in Trump's mind.

The same phone call that Biden eventually gave his son a preemptive pardon.

Way to kick your own ass, Rick

[CHEEZY17]

It's entirely possible to dislike Putin and Zelensky at the same time.

[Biker]

It's entirely possible to dislike Putin and Zelensky at the same time.

That never crossed Ricky’s dimwitted brain

[Reservoir Dog]

It's entirely possible to dislike Putin and Zelensky at the same time.

That never crossed Ricky’s dimwitted brain

Oh yeah, dudes. I can tell by all those anti-Putin posts that you guys keep putting up.

[Burn1dwn]

It's entirely possible to dislike Putin and Zelensky at the same time.

That never crossed Ricky’s dimwitted brain

Oh yeah, dudes. I can tell by all those anti-Putin posts that you guys keep putting up.

Trump's administration has made numerous moves that align with Russian goals including UN votes and it's also been disparaging Zelensky and taking away his leverage at the same time.

You can understand why Biker and Cheezy are confused and think Trump is not picking sides.

[Animal]

[A ceasefire would still be necessary to end the war quickly, whether the deal is signed or not. It looks like Trump added another contingency to the ceasefire for no reason other than because he could. The mineral deal was not part of the equation of ending the war until Trump made it one. And it looks like Trump is willing to appease Russia as punishment to Zelensky for not signing it.

Also, don't forget that it was Trump's phone call/extortion attempt to Zelensky that got Trump impeached.
I'm pretty sure that is still fresh in Trump's mind.

^This. Trump has an axe to grind with Zelensky and now is his chance. I am surprised there isn't more press equating the phone call that led to the impeachment and the situation now.

[CHEEZY17]

Zelensky now wants to make nice with the US-including signing the minerals deal. Shocker.
Looks like someone talked some sense into him.

"I would like to reiterate Ukraine’s commitment to peace.

None of us wants an endless war. Ukraine is ready to come to the negotiating table as soon as possible to bring lasting peace closer. Nobody wants peace more than Ukrainians. My team and I stand ready to work under President Trump’s strong leadership to get a peace that lasts.

We are ready to work fast to end the war, and the first stages could be the release of prisoners and truce in the sky — ban on missiles, long-ranged drones, bombs on energy and other civilian infrastructure — and truce in the sea immediately, if Russia will do the same. Then we want to move very fast through all next stages and to work with the US to agree a strong final deal.

We do really value how much America has done to help Ukraine maintain its sovereignty and independence. And we remember the moment when things changed when President Trump provided Ukraine with Javelins. We are grateful for this.

Our meeting in Washington, at the White House on Friday, did not go the way it was supposed to be. It is regrettable that it happened this way. It is time to make things right. We would like future cooperation and communication to be constructive.

Regarding the agreement on minerals and security, Ukraine is ready to sign it in any time and in any convenient format. We see this agreement as a step toward greater security and solid security guarantees, and I truly hope it will work effectively."

[Animal]

the hardest thing to do in a negotiation is to take a firm stand and then wait for the other side to blink.

[CHEEZY17]

Remember when Hillary and Obama wanted to "reset" our relationship with Russia? Good times.

[stonedmegman]

It's entirely possible to dislike Putin and Zelensky at the same time.

That never crossed Ricky’s dimwitted brain

It's not healthy to be serious all the time.

If you can't laugh at yourself let me know and I'll laugh at you.

[Antknot]

Zelensky reaches out to Trump after 'regrettable' meeting, thanks him for support


https://justthenews.com/government/secu ... im-support

[Biker]

Zelensky reaches out to Trump after 'regrettable' meeting, thanks him for support


https://justthenews.com/government/secu ... im-support

Leftist are gonna be mad as fuck when a peace is finally reached. They want other peoples sons to keep dying for the military industrial complex

[CHEEZY17]

Zelensky reaches out to Trump after 'regrettable' meeting, thanks him for support


https://justthenews.com/government/secu ... im-support

Leftist are gonna be mad as fuck when a peace is finally reached. They want other peoples sons to keep dying for the military industrial complex

That and the fact that it was Trump's doing. They will be tripping over themselves looking for ways to avoid giving him credit.

[Burn1dwn]

Zelensky reaches out to Trump after 'regrettable' meeting, thanks him for support


https://justthenews.com/government/secu ... im-support

Leftist are gonna be mad as fuck when a peace is finally reached. They want other peoples sons to keep dying for the military industrial complex

That and the fact that it was Trump's doing. They will be tripping over themselves looking for ways to avoid giving him credit.

The mineral deal was pitched by Zelensky first. Trump is just acting like he came up with it.

Zelensky is also still asking for "security guarantees" which is what he was saying at the meeting in the Oval Office. Looks like they will come from UK and France.

[CHEEZY17]

Zelensky reaches out to Trump after 'regrettable' meeting, thanks him for support


https://justthenews.com/government/secu ... im-support

Leftist are gonna be mad as fuck when a peace is finally reached. They want other peoples sons to keep dying for the military industrial complex

That and the fact that it was Trump's doing. They will be tripping over themselves looking for ways to avoid giving him credit.

The mineral deal was pitched by Zelensky first. Trump is just acting like he came up with it.

Zelensky is also still asking for "security guarantees" which is what he was saying at the meeting in the Oval Office. Looks like they will come from UK and France.

If that's the case then he also had 3 years to pitch it to Biden. If he only just came up with the idea then perhaps it was borne out of the realization that Trump has cut off access to the American ATM.
Either way: We get mineral rights while the UK and France provide his "security".
Seems like a pretty good deal to me.

[Who]

Zelensky reaches out to Trump after 'regrettable' meeting, thanks him for support


https://justthenews.com/government/secu ... im-support

Leftist are gonna be mad as fuck when a peace is finally reached. They want other peoples sons to keep dying for the military industrial complex

That and the fact that it was Trump's doing. They will be tripping over themselves looking for ways to avoid giving him credit.

The mineral deal was pitched by Zelensky first. Trump is just acting like he came up with it.

Zelensky is also still asking for "security guarantees" which is what he was saying at the meeting in the Oval Office. Looks like they will come from UK and France.

If that's the case then he also had 3 years to pitch it to Biden. If he only just came up with the idea then perhaps it was borne out of the realization that Trump has cut off access to the American ATM.
Either way: We get mineral rights while the UK and France provide his "security".
Seems like a pretty good deal to me.

So much winning

[stonedmegman]

The UK and France already have mineral deals so the US is getting the scrapes.

[Biker]

The rare earth minerals expert, ladies and gentlemen