Tesla

[kwebber]

I just asked my friend about his (older) Tesla. On average it only gets about 200 miles on a charge. At a charging station at the Mall, it costs about $10, so in my previous post, my 10,000 miles would cost $500 instead of $1200 in gas. Cheaper at home to charge, but still not a huge difference over a year to me.

The old guy I talked to about his Tesla, said he pays an extra $35 ish a month on his electrical bill. He gets free supercharging when he choose to use their superchargers. I don't think free supercharging is offered on new Teslas anymore. He said he is able to set a time for his charging to start at home, so he has it set for 1 am so he can get the lowest rates.

Sounds right. He pays $420 a year + gets some free charging. I heard one story a guy got into a fender bender and had to wait 6 months to get it fixed. Lack of parts, but a bigger lack of local techs to work on it, warranty or not. And you have to have a degree from NASA to work on it, not like the local grease monkey on the corner.

Regardless, people are lined up to buy one!

I don't know if you've ever heard of "Rich Rebuilds" on Youtube he has bought wrecked Teslas and rebuilt them. With no help from Tesla whatsoever. They wouldn't sell him parts, or provide him with any diagnostic information. After doing all that, now Rich Rebuilds is building his own Tesla repair garage, to fix other people's Teslas. The most surprising thing about all of that, he is an Urbanite!! Yep, you heard me right!!

[PimpDaddy]

He was on a Joe Rogan podcast. Pretty cool story. If I remember, Tesla wanted to charge him $600 for a duplicate key? I don't know if Tesla is just a bunch of dinks, or if they just don't have the extra parts to spare.

[CaptQuint]

[CHEEZY17]

I just asked my friend about his (older) Tesla. On average it only gets about 200 miles on a charge. At a charging station at the Mall, it costs about $10, so in my previous post, my 10,000 miles would cost $500 instead of $1200 in gas. Cheaper at home to charge, but still not a huge difference over a year to me.

The old guy I talked to about his Tesla, said he pays an extra $35 ish a month on his electrical bill. He gets free supercharging when he choose to use their superchargers. I don't think free supercharging is offered on new Teslas anymore. He said he is able to set a time for his charging to start at home, so he has it set for 1 am so he can get the lowest rates.

Sounds right. He pays $420 a year + gets some free charging. I heard one story a guy got into a fender bender and had to wait 6 months to get it fixed. Lack of parts, but a bigger lack of local techs to work on it, warranty or not. And you have to have a degree from NASA to work on it, not like the local grease monkey on the corner.

Regardless, people are lined up to buy one!

I don't know if you've ever heard of "Rich Rebuilds" on Youtube he has bought wrecked Teslas and rebuilt them. With no help from Tesla whatsoever. They wouldn't sell him parts, or provide him with any diagnostic information. After doing all that, now Rich Rebuilds is building his own Tesla repair garage, to fix other people's Teslas. The most surprising thing about all of that, he is an Urbanite!! Yep, you heard me right!!

Those darn urbanites pulling themselves up by their bootstraps and creating a business. Who do they think they are? Doesnt he know The Man is trying to keep him down?

[WestTexasCrude]

As long as the oil industry gets downsized, and loses it's political power, I'm all for all brands of electric vehicles. Fuck the middle east and the political control it has over your country.

Yeah, I see you are a couple- 3 years behind on what's really going on in the World. Surging production mainly from the shale revolution in the Permian Basin where I live has upended the entire global market force. Last Sept, the US, for the 1st time in 60 years, became the top oil/ gas producing country on Earth. Production is expected to double again here by 2025. 10 years ago, we imported 70% of our oil from the Middle East. Today, it's like 8%. 3 pipeline projects constructed through my area in the last 6 months (each costing $1 Billion each- completion dates-end of 2109) will be sending 3-4 million barrels of oil every day to the Corpus Christi TX export facility on the Gulf Coast. CC is spending almost $1B dredging to accommodate the largest oil tankers on earth. 3 more pipelines on the drawing board. Forecast is by 2025, the US will exporting more oil than OPEC combined.

[Reservoir Dog]

As long as the oil industry gets downsized, and loses it's political power, I'm all for all brands of electric vehicles. Fuck the middle east and the political control it has over your country.

Yeah, I see you are a couple- 3 years behind on what's really going on in the World. Surging production mainly from the shale revolution in the Permian Basin where I live has upended the entire global market force. Last Sept, the US, for the 1st time in 60 years, became the top oil/ gas producing country on Earth. Production is expected to double again here by 2025. 10 years ago, we imported 70% of our oil from the Middle East. Today, it's like 8%. 3 pipeline projects constructed through my area in the last 6 months (each costing $1 Billion each- completion dates-end of 2109) will be sending 3-4 million barrels of oil every day to the Corpus Christi TX export facility on the Gulf Coast. CC is spending almost $1B dredging to accommodate the largest oil tankers on earth. 3 more pipelines on the drawing board. Forecast is by 2025, the US will exporting more oil than OPEC combined.

So why are you shaking in your boots at the thought of electric cars powered by hydroelectric?

[WestTexasCrude]

As long as the oil industry gets downsized, and loses it's political power, I'm all for all brands of electric vehicles. Fuck the middle east and the political control it has over your country.

You are using emotions without getting to the facts. Smug, I'm petroleum free. Hook up to a recharge point and get your juice and it's coming from a distant power plant burning thousands of tons oil/ natural gas per day. Get your head out of your ass. Fanatasyland ends at the AZ border.

And once again, you are SUCH a fucking retard. 95% of the energy produced by my province is renewable. 90% from hydroelectric dams, and 5% from other renewable source. Just to make sure you understand "hydroelectric dams" use the power of water to turn turbines to produce electricity. They don't burn coal or oil to produce that power. Are you able to comprehend that, you fucking simpleton? What do you have to say about that? Some more stupid shit, or are you going to ignore those facts, and carry on acting like a fucking retard?

You are literally spewing ignorance with every post. Let's be clear. Nobody gives a shit what Canada is doing with their energy strategy. You have a country larger than us and 37 millions idiots too stupid to move to Florida for the warmth. Our country has almost 10X the population, and that's why it matters on the World stage. You may think of my area as oil country and you would be wrong. Texas years ago passed every other US state in Wind power production, almost all in my W Texas. Hell I'm watching from the highest hills around here as what's supposed to be the largest Wind farm on Earth being constructed. It's huge with the t4 advanced technology. 3 of the largest solar farms on Earth just got built and went online in the last year, all with 20 miles of me, So STFU and spare us your ignorance.

[CaptQuint]

STFU

[WestTexasCrude]

As long as the oil industry gets downsized, and loses it's political power, I'm all for all brands of electric vehicles. Fuck the middle east and the political control it has over your country.

Yeah, I see you are a couple- 3 years behind on what's really going on in the World. Surging production mainly from the shale revolution in the Permian Basin where I live has upended the entire global market force. Last Sept, the US, for the 1st time in 60 years, became the top oil/ gas producing country on Earth. Production is expected to double again here by 2025. 10 years ago, we imported 70% of our oil from the Middle East. Today, it's like 8%. 3 pipeline projects constructed through my area in the last 6 months (each costing $1 Billion each- completion dates-end of 2109) will be sending 3-4 million barrels of oil every day to the Corpus Christi TX export facility on the Gulf Coast. CC is spending almost $1B dredging to accommodate the largest oil tankers on earth. 3 more pipelines on the drawing board. Forecast is by 2025, the US will exporting more oil than OPEC combined.

So why are you shaking in your boots at the thought of electric cars powered by hydroelectric?

I have to see that recharge station. Something spinning in the river like a gristmill. Hope the cars have filters to keep the guppies out.

[Reservoir Dog]

As long as the oil industry gets downsized, and loses it's political power, I'm all for all brands of electric vehicles. Fuck the middle east and the political control it has over your country.

Yeah, I see you are a couple- 3 years behind on what's really going on in the World. Surging production mainly from the shale revolution in the Permian Basin where I live has upended the entire global market force. Last Sept, the US, for the 1st time in 60 years, became the top oil/ gas producing country on Earth. Production is expected to double again here by 2025. 10 years ago, we imported 70% of our oil from the Middle East. Today, it's like 8%. 3 pipeline projects constructed through my area in the last 6 months (each costing $1 Billion each- completion dates-end of 2109) will be sending 3-4 million barrels of oil every day to the Corpus Christi TX export facility on the Gulf Coast. CC is spending almost $1B dredging to accommodate the largest oil tankers on earth. 3 more pipelines on the drawing board. Forecast is by 2025, the US will exporting more oil than OPEC combined.

So why are you shaking in your boots at the thought of electric cars powered by hydroelectric?

I have to see that recharge station. Something spinning in the river like a gristmill. Hope the cars have filters to keep the guppies out.

DEFLECTION !!!!

[WestTexasCrude]

You are using emotions without getting to the facts. Smug, I'm petroleum free. Hook up to a recharge point and get your juice and it's coming from a distant power plant burning thousands of tons oil/ natural gas per day. Get your head out of your ass. Fanatasyland ends at the AZ border.

And once again, you are SUCH a fucking retard. 95% of the energy produced by my province is renewable. 90% from hydroelectric dams, and 5% from other renewable source. Just to make sure you understand "hydroelectric dams" use the power of water to turn turbines to produce electricity. They don't burn coal or oil to produce that power. Are you able to comprehend that, you fucking simpleton? What do you have to say about that? Some more stupid shit, or are you going to ignore those facts, and carry on acting like a fucking retard?

Hydroelectric is good... blocks off rivers so fish can't migrate but they are working to correct that problem either through newer designs or fish bridges. Which other types if renewable do they use? I can't remember which provence you live in, do you have teams going out and shoveling off solar panels? Wind turbines?
To be honest I think it needs to be a full spectrum of options for electricity and the one that gets the least credit is nuclear. Solar and wind need further development to become cost effective on their own without the government money propping it up.

I'm not going to debate hydroelectric power with you. That fucking retard told me my electricity comes from oil or natural gas burning plants in distant lands. Once again he is wrong. I hope you're not trying to come to his defense in this.

Here's a link to some information about our electricity sources. https://www.neb-one.gc.ca/nrg/sttstc/lc ... c-eng.html

Can't just add to the conversation? If we are looking at the drawbacks if one we need to be honest about the drawbacks if them all. The older design of dams do cause problems ecologically and the drawbacks to wind and solar are obviously the amount of space you currently need to generate power on a large scale. I read about one solar plant thst had caused a fire in a tower the panels focused on because of mirror misalignment, and the same plant had fried bits in flight. This may be lousy design work but still issues that should be considered.

Naturalists in NJ are claiming that birds, including threatened species, are getting killed by the wind blades too.

Been hearing that crap for years. I worked at a Wind Farm around here for 2 years. Never saw one dead bird ever around any turbines. The idiots act like they spin so fast it gets blurry for the birds. The new T4 tech sits on a 400 foot base with 200+ foot blades rotating depending on the winds. Shuts off over 65MPH to avoid damage to the internal mechanism. Medium winds, the whole thing will rotate 360 every 30-40 seconds. Any bird stupid enough to go near them deserves their Dodo reputation.

[Reservoir Dog]

Any bird stupid enough to go near them deserves their Dodo reputation.

So... how many times did you get hit in the head?

[Blast]

Can't just add to the conversation? If we are looking at the drawbacks if one we need to be honest about the drawbacks if them all. The older design of dams do cause problems ecologically and the drawbacks to wind and solar are obviously the amount of space you currently need to generate power on a large scale. I read about one solar plant thst had caused a fire in a tower the panels focused on because of mirror misalignment, and the same plant had fried bits in flight. This may be lousy design work but still issues that should be considered.

I just needed to know where you were coming from with your comment, and whether I should lash out, or respond reasonably. I'll respond reasonably. There are risks and impacts with every kind of electricity generating method. I would suggest that issues with some fish would be low on the impact scale. Our provincial government is pretty protective when it comes to fish stock. That shit is monitored pretty closely. When you look at other methods of generating electricity, like coal and gas burning plants and their pollution, and the fears of nuclear meltdowns, I would say concerns over fish stock is pretty low in terms of ecological concerns. As for wind, or solar, although they are great as a supplement, I don't think we can rely on them to provide a reliable source of electricity in my province.

Doesn't matter to me, that you would even consider lashing out in a reasonable discussion leads me to wonder if you aren't suffering from late stage syphilis, some lingering effects of the canadian winter madness, or possibly even an imbalance in your blood/Male syrup content. If it's any of the three please get yourself help. If you were just looking to be a prick, well that's not very Canadian of you.

Thanks for the info on the fisheries impacts, I know there are areas where they don't have the fish ladders and have begun removing dams that really served no purpose and it had had a remarkably positive effect on the fisheries in those areas. I'm glad we do agree that there are areas where wind and solar are not practical. Another aspect to consider is energy storage. Banks of batteries, lead acid or lithium ion, can only pull in so much and I'm not sure if the infrastructure is capable of transferring the energy generated from it source to other areas in cities and towns. Can anyone fill in this blank?

[WestTexasCrude]

I drive about 10,000 miles a year. At 25 mpg and $3/gallon, that is $1200 in gas. Not enough money to cover the cost of a Tesla upgrade.
Until there are lots of companies offering a large variety of models, I am not interested in paying the extra $ to look like every other Tesla on the road. Even worse, I've heard the same stories about repairs on a Telsa. Need to figure that out...

Bingo. They only talk the front serving savings. Tusk is totally focused on the production. The electrical recharge stations seem to be going well. Even have a "Level 2" recharge station here in town (whatever that means). Repair facilities nationwide on the production schedule he's forcasting has to be in the tens of billions. Still doesn't address the parts situation. Has to be a quarter century catch up.

[WestTexasCrude]

Any bird stupid enough to go near them deserves their Dodo reputation.

So... how many times did you get hit in the head?

Well, since I'm not 150 foot tall- never. Jesus, Get sober.

[CaptQuint]

"Wind farms cause cancer" President Trump

[Stapes]

“You want to see a bird cemetery? Go under a windmill sometime. You’ll see the saddest... you got every type of bird,” Trump insisted.

“You know, in California you go to jail for five years if you kill a bald eagle. You go under a windmill, you see them all over the place,” he continued, calling it “not a good situation.”
“But that’s what [Democrats] were counting on, wind,” Trump concluded. “When the wind doesn’t blow, you don’t watch television that night.”

[CaptQuint]

Is........Is he lying?????

[WestTexasCrude]

Any bird stupid enough to go near them deserves their Dodo reputation.

So... how many times did you get hit in the head?

You know if you keep up this kind of retardation posting going on for much longer, I believe most of us will start to seriously start looking at you sideways. Not a good look. Helpful advice- don't speak is the best option unless you wish to contribute something substantial. Since nobody has seen you do that in forever, may want to shut it down until August. Hope this suggestion helps.

[CaptQuint]

Any bird stupid enough to go near them deserves their Dodo reputation.

So... how many times did you get hit in the head?

You know if you keep up this kind of retardation posting going on for much longer, I believe most of us will start to seriously start looking at you sideways. Not a good look. Helpful advice- don't speak is the best option unless you wish to contribute something substantial. Since nobody has seen you do that in forever, may want to shut it down until August. Hope this suggestion helps.

Stop telling people to shut up, you have no power here. You are an asinine cocksucking retard

[kwebber]

As long as the oil industry gets downsized, and loses it's political power, I'm all for all brands of electric vehicles. Fuck the middle east and the political control it has over your country.

You are using emotions without getting to the facts. Smug, I'm petroleum free. Hook up to a recharge point and get your juice and it's coming from a distant power plant burning thousands of tons oil/ natural gas per day. Get your head out of your ass. Fanatasyland ends at the AZ border.

And once again, you are SUCH a fucking retard. 95% of the energy produced by my province is renewable. 90% from hydroelectric dams, and 5% from other renewable source. Just to make sure you understand "hydroelectric dams" use the power of water to turn turbines to produce electricity. They don't burn coal or oil to produce that power. Are you able to comprehend that, you fucking simpleton? What do you have to say about that? Some more stupid shit, or are you going to ignore those facts, and carry on acting like a fucking retard?

You are literally spewing ignorance with every post. Let's be clear. Nobody gives a shit what Canada is doing with their energy strategy. You have a country larger than us and 37 millions idiots too stupid to move to Florida for the warmth. Our country has almost 10X the population, and that's why it matters on the World stage. You may think of my area as oil country and you would be wrong. Texas years ago passed every other US state in Wind power production, almost all in my W Texas. Hell I'm watching from the highest hills around here as what's supposed to be the largest Wind farm on Earth being constructed. It's huge with the t4 advanced technology. 3 of the largest solar farms on Earth just got built and went online in the last year, all with 20 miles of me, So STFU and spare us your ignorance.

Why am I not surprised you can't man up and admit you're wrong. Instead you just keep on spewing retarded bullshit. Dunning-Kruger effect, man, Dunning-Kruger effect. You are a stupid fucking idiot. You are the only one who doesn't see that. Look at all the replies you're getting in this thread, they are all the same. You are a retard. Not only that, but you can't man up and admit you were wrong. To quote your hero the orange retard "SAD".

[Blast]

As long as the oil industry gets downsized, and loses it's political power, I'm all for all brands of electric vehicles. Fuck the middle east and the political control it has over your country.

You are using emotions without getting to the facts. Smug, I'm petroleum free. Hook up to a recharge point and get your juice and it's coming from a distant power plant burning thousands of tons oil/ natural gas per day. Get your head out of your ass. Fanatasyland ends at the AZ border.

And once again, you are SUCH a fucking retard. 95% of the energy produced by my province is renewable. 90% from hydroelectric dams, and 5% from other renewable source. Just to make sure you understand "hydroelectric dams" use the power of water to turn turbines to produce electricity. They don't burn coal or oil to produce that power. Are you able to comprehend that, you fucking simpleton? What do you have to say about that? Some more stupid shit, or are you going to ignore those facts, and carry on acting like a fucking retard?

You are literally spewing ignorance with every post. Let's be clear. Nobody gives a shit what Canada is doing with their energy strategy. You have a country larger than us and 37 millions idiots too stupid to move to Florida for the warmth. Our country has almost 10X the population, and that's why it matters on the World stage. You may think of my area as oil country and you would be wrong. Texas years ago passed every other US state in Wind power production, almost all in my W Texas. Hell I'm watching from the highest hills around here as what's supposed to be the largest Wind farm on Earth being constructed. It's huge with the t4 advanced technology. 3 of the largest solar farms on Earth just got built and went online in the last year, all with 20 miles of me, So STFU and spare us your ignorance.

Why am I not surprised you can't man up and admit you're wrong. Instead you just keep on spewing retarded bullshit. Dunning-Kruger effect, man, Dunning-Kruger effect. You are a stupid fucking idiot. You are the only one who doesn't see that. Look at all the replies you're getting in this thread, they are all the same. You are a retard. Not only that, but you can't man up and admit you were wrong. To quote your hero the orange retard "SAD".

Beware kwebber, Retard may tag you with one of these

I will not allow kwebber access to this this forum ever. It's personal and will be policed to end of the Earth.No matter what.

...And for his next trick, oh. He doesn't have one.

[megman]

You are using emotions without getting to the facts. Smug, I'm petroleum free. Hook up to a recharge point and get your juice and it's coming from a distant power plant burning thousands of tons oil/ natural gas per day. Get your head out of your ass. Fanatasyland ends at the AZ border.

And once again, you are SUCH a fucking retard. 95% of the energy produced by my province is renewable. 90% from hydroelectric dams, and 5% from other renewable source. Just to make sure you understand "hydroelectric dams" use the power of water to turn turbines to produce electricity. They don't burn coal or oil to produce that power. Are you able to comprehend that, you fucking simpleton? What do you have to say about that? Some more stupid shit, or are you going to ignore those facts, and carry on acting like a fucking retard?

You are literally spewing ignorance with every post. Let's be clear. Nobody gives a shit what Canada is doing with their energy strategy. You have a country larger than us and 37 millions idiots too stupid to move to Florida for the warmth. Our country has almost 10X the population, and that's why it matters on the World stage. You may think of my area as oil country and you would be wrong. Texas years ago passed every other US state in Wind power production, almost all in my W Texas. Hell I'm watching from the highest hills around here as what's supposed to be the largest Wind farm on Earth being constructed. It's huge with the t4 advanced technology. 3 of the largest solar farms on Earth just got built and went online in the last year, all with 20 miles of me, So STFU and spare us your ignorance.

Why am I not surprised you can't man up and admit you're wrong. Instead you just keep on spewing retarded bullshit. Dunning-Kruger effect, man, Dunning-Kruger effect. You are a stupid fucking idiot. You are the only one who doesn't see that. Look at all the replies you're getting in this thread, they are all the same. You are a retard. Not only that, but you can't man up and admit you were wrong. To quote your hero the orange retard "SAD".

Beware kwebber, Retard may tag you with one of these

I will not allow kwebber access to this this forum ever. It's personal and will be policed to end of the Earth.No matter what.

...And for his next trick, oh. He doesn't have one.

His next trick ends with a "0".

[CaptQuint]

https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads ... le.155234/

[Reservoir Dog]

Any bird stupid enough to go near them deserves their Dodo reputation.

So... how many times did you get hit in the head?

Well, since I'm not 150 foot tall- never. Jesus, Get sober.

Assumed that ego of yours could float you up there.