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Biker wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 12:50 am

CaptQuint wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 12:50 am

Biker wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 12:49 am

CaptQuint wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 12:47 am

Biker wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 12:46 am

CaptQuint wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 12:45 am

How about violating his rights under the color of law when no crime was committed?

Which law was violated, cuntface?

Section 242 of Title 18

Oh wow, a vague code. Yeah, dude was violated!!!?!?!

It's a Federal Law

So not a single person is required to obey a police officer?

Not when that police officer is acting outside their authority. Why do you hate America?

Biker wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 12:50 am

CaptQuint wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 12:50 am

Biker wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 12:49 am

CaptQuint wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 12:47 am

Biker wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 12:46 am

CaptQuint wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 12:45 am

How about violating his rights under the color of law when no crime was committed?

Which law was violated, cuntface?

Section 242 of Title 18

Oh wow, a vague code. Yeah, dude was violated!!!?!?!

It's a Federal Law

So not a single person is required to obey a police officer?

When did sucking cops dicks become a thing? Who the fuck are they? They get away with the God shit because we let them. That shit is gonna change.

BIKER, how come your feed hasn't uncovered this? This is serious!

Stapes wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 12:52 am

Biker wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 12:50 am

CaptQuint wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 12:50 am

Biker wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 12:49 am

CaptQuint wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 12:47 am

Biker wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 12:46 am

Which law was violated, cuntface?

Section 242 of Title 18

Oh wow, a vague code. Yeah, dude was violated!!!?!?!

It's a Federal Law

So not a single person is required to obey a police officer?

When did sucking cops dicks become a thing? Who the fuck are they? They get away with the God shit because we let them. That shit is gonna change.

It's funny, and sad, how quickly people change and fall in line.

CaptQuint wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 12:49 am New law bans police from pulling over Virginia drivers solely for certain car safety violations
Officers can also not stop people if they smell marijuana

ROANOKE COUNTY, Va. – New legislation taking effect Monday makes it harder for authorities in Virginia to pull over drivers.

Several minor infractions, while still illegal, can no longer be the primary reason police stop you while you’re driving.

These include certain defective equipment, objects dangling from your rearview mirror, loud exhaust, tinted windows and smelling marijuana to name a few.

An expired inspection or registration sticker can only get you pulled; however, it has to be at least four months late. The legislation lists more changes here.

For social justice advocates, this is a win.

“I think it’s a first step. It’s a huge first step,” said Brad Haywood, founder and executive director of Justice Forward Virginia.

Haywood said these violations have long been used to stop people for drug investigations and disproportionately target people of color.

“Why should they be allowed to investigate people based on hunches when they have no evidence? Why don’t we expect them to actually get probable cause for drug possession or gun possession before they pull a car over?” Haywood said.

On the other side, Roanoke County Police Chief Howard Hall said it’s not about race, but safety and enforcing the law.

“This has got to be one of the dumbest pieces of legislation I’ve ever read,” Hall said. “If someone’s getting arrested off one of these traffic stops, it’s because they’re wanted, they’ve committed some other crime, perhaps we found drugs or an illegal weapon. Those are people that we want to arrest because they’re criminals.”

The battle over whether these changes are more dangerous or more just is still drawing a sharp divide.

“We ought to expect better of our police than to just shake people down because they feel like it,” Haywood said.

“There really isn’t much point behind this and it’s really not going to accomplish anything positive,” Hall said.

These changes were approved during the General Assembly’s Special Session in 2020.


https://www.wsls.com/news/local/2021/03 ... iolations/

Getting away with illegal shit: Yay Social Justice!

CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 11:43 am

CaptQuint wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 12:49 am New law bans police from pulling over Virginia drivers solely for certain car safety violations
Officers can also not stop people if they smell marijuana

ROANOKE COUNTY, Va. – New legislation taking effect Monday makes it harder for authorities in Virginia to pull over drivers.

Several minor infractions, while still illegal, can no longer be the primary reason police stop you while you’re driving.

These include certain defective equipment, objects dangling from your rearview mirror, loud exhaust, tinted windows and smelling marijuana to name a few.

An expired inspection or registration sticker can only get you pulled; however, it has to be at least four months late. The legislation lists more changes here.

For social justice advocates, this is a win.

“I think it’s a first step. It’s a huge first step,” said Brad Haywood, founder and executive director of Justice Forward Virginia.

Haywood said these violations have long been used to stop people for drug investigations and disproportionately target people of color.

“Why should they be allowed to investigate people based on hunches when they have no evidence? Why don’t we expect them to actually get probable cause for drug possession or gun possession before they pull a car over?” Haywood said.

On the other side, Roanoke County Police Chief Howard Hall said it’s not about race, but safety and enforcing the law.

“This has got to be one of the dumbest pieces of legislation I’ve ever read,” Hall said. “If someone’s getting arrested off one of these traffic stops, it’s because they’re wanted, they’ve committed some other crime, perhaps we found drugs or an illegal weapon. Those are people that we want to arrest because they’re criminals.”

The battle over whether these changes are more dangerous or more just is still drawing a sharp divide.

“We ought to expect better of our police than to just shake people down because they feel like it,” Haywood said.

“There really isn’t much point behind this and it’s really not going to accomplish anything positive,” Hall said.

These changes were approved during the General Assembly’s Special Session in 2020.


https://www.wsls.com/news/local/2021/03 ... iolations/

Getting away with illegal shit: Yay Social Justice!

CaptQuint wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 11:50 am

CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 11:43 am

CaptQuint wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 12:49 am New law bans police from pulling over Virginia drivers solely for certain car safety violations
Officers can also not stop people if they smell marijuana

ROANOKE COUNTY, Va. – New legislation taking effect Monday makes it harder for authorities in Virginia to pull over drivers.

Several minor infractions, while still illegal, can no longer be the primary reason police stop you while you’re driving.

These include certain defective equipment, objects dangling from your rearview mirror, loud exhaust, tinted windows and smelling marijuana to name a few.

An expired inspection or registration sticker can only get you pulled; however, it has to be at least four months late. The legislation lists more changes here.

For social justice advocates, this is a win.

“I think it’s a first step. It’s a huge first step,” said Brad Haywood, founder and executive director of Justice Forward Virginia.

Haywood said these violations have long been used to stop people for drug investigations and disproportionately target people of color.

“Why should they be allowed to investigate people based on hunches when they have no evidence? Why don’t we expect them to actually get probable cause for drug possession or gun possession before they pull a car over?” Haywood said.

On the other side, Roanoke County Police Chief Howard Hall said it’s not about race, but safety and enforcing the law.

“This has got to be one of the dumbest pieces of legislation I’ve ever read,” Hall said. “If someone’s getting arrested off one of these traffic stops, it’s because they’re wanted, they’ve committed some other crime, perhaps we found drugs or an illegal weapon. Those are people that we want to arrest because they’re criminals.”

The battle over whether these changes are more dangerous or more just is still drawing a sharp divide.

“We ought to expect better of our police than to just shake people down because they feel like it,” Haywood said.

“There really isn’t much point behind this and it’s really not going to accomplish anything positive,” Hall said.

These changes were approved during the General Assembly’s Special Session in 2020.


https://www.wsls.com/news/local/2021/03 ... iolations/

Getting away with illegal shit: Yay Social Justice!

I just dont see how allowing illegal stuff is a positive...or a "win".

1.)Personally I think every major city should have a police oversight committee with real authority and power over the department. Although we'd have to be careful that its not made up of people who simply want to hamstring and punish the department. It has to actually be unbiased and willing to acknowledge when citizens do stupid shit AND when police do stupid shit.
2.) Police officers should be paid more. If we want better officers we have to attract them and make it worthwhile.
3.) Training should be vigorous and comprehensive and overhauled where needed. Model departments and officers should be rewarded and failing departments and officers should not be protected. They should be forcefully improved by their states at the behest of the Federal Government.

CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 12:37 pm 1.)Personally I think every major city should have a police oversight committee with real authority and power over the department. Although we'd have to be careful that its not made up of people who simply want to hamstring and punish the department. It has to actually be unbiased and willing to acknowledge when citizens do stupid shit AND when police do stupid shit.
2.) Police officers should be paid more. If we want better officers we have to attract them and make it worthwhile.
3.) Training should be vigorous and comprehensive and overhauled where needed. Model departments and officers should be rewarded and failing departments and officers should not be protected. They should be forcefully improved by their states at the behest of the Federal Government.

I fully agree with this.

Some people seem to be anti-cop. And that's nuts.

Rational people realize we need them. But we need them to be better, and we need to help provide the means and the incentive to do so.

The average salary for a cop in NJ is around 80,000 a year. In minnesota its almost 70,000. It's a police culture problem, not pay. Some think they are the ultimate authority and can do what they want with impunity. They need to be disavowed of that mindset and held accountable for bad behavior like every other job in this country.

Stapes wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 2:26 pm The average salary for a cop in NJ is around 80,000 a year. In minnesota its almost 70,000. It's a police culture problem, not pay. Some think they are the ultimate authority and can do what they want with impunity. They need to be disavowed of that mindset and held accountable for bad behavior like every other job in this country.

i agree with that.

Stapes wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 2:26 pm The average salary for a cop in NJ is around 80,000 a year. In minnesota its almost 70,000. It's a police culture problem, not pay. Some think they are the ultimate authority and can do what they want with impunity. They need to be disavowed of that mindset and held accountable for bad behavior like every other job in this country.

It’s a training and funding problem.officers should spend 25% of their time training and the other 75% policing. Instead, we set them loose after the academy

CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 12:37 pm I just dont see how allowing illegal stuff is a positive...or a "win".

1.)Personally I think every major city should have a police oversight committee with real authority and power over the department. Although we'd have to be careful that its not made up of people who simply want to hamstring and punish the department. It has to actually be unbiased and willing to acknowledge when citizens do stupid shit AND when police do stupid shit.
2.) Police officers should be paid more. If we want better officers we have to attract them and make it worthwhile.
3.) Training should be vigorous and comprehensive and overhauled where needed. Model departments and officers should be rewarded and failing departments and officers should not be protected. They should be forcefully improved by their states at the behest of the Federal Government.

I can agree with 1 and 3, but not 2. It's a government job, a civil service job. It comes with great benefits, and often those benefits are better than with private sector jobs. My cop buddies that I used to rent a house to will have three cop pensions each on top of their military pensions. Only cops (and firemen, but who can hate on a fireman) get those sorts of pensions now, since many counties and municipalities have changed those "rich" government pensions that the average civil servant used to get into shitty 401(k)s. Without increasing their pay. But cops (and firemen) still get the traditional pensions. The pay was supposed to be shit, since it was to encourage people who really wanted those jobs to have them, and they were tax-payer supported jobs, jobs meant to support the community. The benefits made up for the shit pay.

And none of it will happen as long as police unions are as strong as they are, with the ability almost to overrule police commissioners and their agencies. There is always so much hate for unions in so many other jobs, yet politicians will happy slobber over the balls of police unions. People love to throw the trope that teachers' unions protect bad teachers, but what exactly do police unions do but exactly that? How about busting the police unions down a notch or two?

1) Many counties and cities *did* have powerful oversight committees that had a say on the operations of their police agencies. Orlando had a tough one up to the mid-90's. But from that time on, politicians wanted to show their support for police and loosen the bonds so they "could do their job." And when those committees are re-proposed, you can imagine what the response is: "our police officers need the freedom to do their jobs as needed to protect our citizens, blah blah blah". Why would you put any restraints on a cop's job, are you a cop hater?

2) A common complaint among a lot of non-advanced professionals is that it only takes less than a year at a police academy to get the basic policeman's certificate needed to be employed as a LEO. It's a 25 week session in Florida. Many medical professions take two years minimum. Even hair dressers take longer in school than police officers, about a year. Bachelor's degrees are encouraged, not required except for possible advancement. You can still step right out of high school and become a cop in many places. Or quit school and get a GED, and go to the academy. I had none of those options to apply for medical lab tech school.

Another thing about that academy certification: it's rarely if ever taken from a bad cop. You need the certification to apply to any Florida agency, but if you're fired from your job as a cop, you *still* retain the certification. You just go over to the next town, city, or county, and apply. Cops here do it all the time. They just move their bad attitude from one agency to another, even if the next agency knows about your bad attitude. Apparently most police agencies always have a good number of cop positions open, they just can't hire 'em fast enough.

The average pay for a patrol officer in Florida is $24K in tiny little towns to $71K in large cities and counties, with the median in the $55K-57K range. The Florida HIghway Patrol starts at $33K, but has about the best benefits of any of the regional police agencies and a very strong union, with good retention bonuses.

Apparently most police agencies always have a good number of cop positions open, they just can't hire 'em fast enough.

The original article is behind a paywall, but police jobs are in such demand in NJ that people that want them put up with this:

More NJ towns are relying on special police. But do the benefits outweigh cops' risks?
burlingtoncountytimes.com
19 days ago

Cover picture for the article
Tommy Balistrieri wanted to be a police officer since he was a teenager. But landing his dream job has been harder than he thought. Balistrieri, 34, of Butler, has been a part-time special police officer in Elmwood Park for 14 years. He's spent the last 18 months working part time as a "class II special," carrying the same gun, wielding the same power and shouldering the same responsibilities as a regular officer.

No benefits, low pay, almost all of the responsibilities, just a hope they'll get a real position.

P.S. I guess they get enough pay and benefits in NJ. No demand here, but no one's controlling costs. Yeah, their unions here are out of control.

Biker wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:32 pm

I finally got the irony of this meme. Its not that she milked BLM for all of that cash. Its that she is a "self proclaimed marxist" and yet she buys multiple homes. She has become so successful at being a marxist that now she's a hypocrite who is a capitalist.

Animal wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 7:03 pm

Biker wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:32 pm

I finally got the irony of this meme. Its not that she milked BLM for all of that cash. Its that she is a "self proclaimed marxist" and yet she buys multiple homes. She has become so successful at being a marxist that now she's a hypocrite who is a capitalist.

She's everything shes supposedly against.

CHEEZY17 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 6:48 pm She's Bourgeoisie and doesnt even know it.

Funny to watch the circlejerk of righties wail about this when they elected the Bourgeoisie that pretended to be a conservative to run the country

CaptQuint wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:23 pm Funny to watch the circlejerk of righties wail about this when they elected the Bourgeoisie that pretended to be a conservative to run the country

I don’t think Republicans ever thought Trump was a conservative

Biker wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:44 pm

CaptQuint wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:23 pm Funny to watch the circlejerk of righties wail about this when they elected the Bourgeoisie that pretended to be a conservative to run the country

I don’t think Republicans ever thought Trump was a conservative

I guess Republicans are no longer conservative then

CaptQuint wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:46 pm

Biker wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:44 pm

CaptQuint wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:23 pm Funny to watch the circlejerk of righties wail about this when they elected the Bourgeoisie that pretended to be a conservative to run the country

I don’t think Republicans ever thought Trump was a conservative

I guess Republicans are no longer conservative then

No clue

Republican does not equal Conservative.
Republican is just the better option for a Conservative.
Trump was a solid mix. He had and implemented some conservative policy but much of his term it could be argued was not very "Conservative".