Deal With Mexico Reached

[CHEEZY17]

Winning.

Trump: U.S., Mexico Reach Deal To Avoid New Tariffs

From NPR:

The U.S. and Mexico have "reached a signed agreement" that would avert the tariffs that were scheduled to begin on Monday, President Trump said on Friday evening.

As part of the deal, Mexican officials "agreed to take strong measures to stem the tide of Migration," Trump tweeted.

Under a joint agreement released by State Department officials, Mexico will assist the United States in curbing migration across the border by deploying its national guard troops through the country, especially at the border. The agreement also says Mexican authorities will work to dismantle human smuggling operations.

For its part, the U.S. promises that asylum applicants will be "rapidly returned" to Mexico as they await the result of their claims. Mexico agrees to accept them and offer jobs, health care and education.

Trump announced on May 30 that he would impose a 5% tariff on all goods imported from Mexico beginning June 10, if Mexico did not take action to stop the flow of migrants from Central America into the U.S. After that, he said the tariffs would go up an additional 5% each month until reaching 25% in October, unless the administration were satisfied with the Mexican government's efforts on immigration.

"If the illegal migration crisis is alleviated through effective actions taken by Mexico, to be determined in our sole discretion and judgment, the Tariffs will be removed," the president's statement said.

U.S. and Mexican officials continued the talks, as Mexico tried to reach an agreement to stop the tariffs from going into effect.

Officials meeting at the State Department focused on possible changes to asylum rules and whether Mexico could keep asylum seekers in their country while their cases in the U.S. were adjudicated.

Mexico's foreign minister announced on Thursday that 6,000 national guard troops would be sent to the country's southern border with Guatemala. Though, that force was recently established and has not gotten up and running, with estimates of full operations to be underway by 2021.

Earlier Friday, the president said "there is a good chance" the U.S. and Mexico could make a deal.

Border crossings have surged in recent months as Central American families have traveled to the U.S. seeking asylum.

More than 144,000 migrants were taken into custody after crossing the Southern border in May, according to data released by U.S. Customs and Border Protection on Wednesday.

Trump is facing rare pressure from congressional Republicans over his decision to link immigration policy to trade.

"There is not much support in my conference for tariffs," Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., told reporters after White House lawyers met with GOP senators at their weekly luncheon on Tuesday.

Lawmakers have warned the tariffs could hurt U.S. businesses and force U.S. consumers to pay more for products imported from Mexico.

[AnalHamster]

The senate republicans finally had enough and told him they'd take his tariff toys away. This is trump caving as a result of that. The signed deal if we ever see it at all will be the status quo. Perhaps a vague promise from the messicans to try very hard.

[CHEEZY17]

It will be easy enough to see how hard they are trying as its only a matter of time before another "totally made up by conservatives" caravan starts out.

[AnalHamster]

They'll treat the next totally made up by conservatives that liberals say it's made up by conservatives caravan the same as the last one, trump caved to the senate republicans on this one and got squat. Hopefully Coulter will call him on it to goad him into carrying out his threat, it's lose lose. Either the senate pussies stand by while he takes a giant shit on the economy, or they overrule and get shat on in their own elections. Go trump

[CHEEZY17]

Yeah, actually having Mexico do something meaningful is a "lose" situation.

[Charliesheen]

And it's a total waste of time to try anything anyhow, except of course to give corrupt governments more borrowed US tax dollars to prop up their bureaucrats.

[CHEEZY17]

No tariffs implemented and Mexico agreeing to take significant action = total loss! Ha what a dipshit fail!

[DandyDon]

So many lies, so many ways.





There is nothing in the joint declaration about any kind of commitment from Mexico (the 2nd largest market for US ag products) to buy even more from US farmers.

[megman]

*tarifs

[DandyDon]

Would this not have been a violation of NAFTA? It is still law until all three countries ratify the new agreement, correct?

[AnalHamster]

Trump threatened tariffs, got bitchslapped by the senate, caved, then declared victory. Literally what happened here. You dupes.

Mexico agreed to nothing that wasn't already agreed months ago:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/08/us/p ... e=Homepage

There was no deal here, trump threatened to shit on your economy, got told he wasn't allowed to, backed down, then pretended he'd achieved something.

[DandyDon]

Months before. God what a bunch of gullible rubes.

1) Create an artificial crisis, causing problems for you but bigger problems for others

2) Say that you will fix the problem you created if they give you stuff/credit

3) They - being responsible leaders who care about their countries - cave and you "win"

4) Except they just pretended to agree and do something just to make you STFU and go away until you are distracted by something else shiny

5) Declare victory and when the smart people start to catch on, repeat step 1

[CHEEZY17]

Trump threatened tariffs, got bitchslapped by the senate, caved, then declared victory. Literally what happened here. You dupes.

Mexico agreed to nothing that wasn't already agreed months ago:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/08/us/p ... e=Homepage

There was no deal here, trump threatened to shit on your economy, got told he wasn't allowed to, backed down, then pretended he'd achieved something.

From your own article:

Officials involved with talks said they began in earnest last Sunday, when Kevin K. McAleenan, the acting secretary of homeland security, met over dinner with Mexico’s foreign minister. One senior government official, who was not authorized to speak publicly about the closed-door negotiations that took place over several days, insisted that the Mexicans agreed to move faster and more aggressively to deter migrants than they ever have before.

Their promise to deploy up to 6,000 national guard troops was larger than their previous pledge. And the Mexican agreement to accelerate the Migrant Protection Protocols could help reduce what Mr. Trump calls “catch and release” of migrants in the United States by giving the country a greater ability to make asylum-seekers wait in Mexico.

The Lefts burning desire to shit on anything positive coming out of this administration is quite comical. This is good news no matter how much you pooh pooh it.

[CHEEZY17]

Months before. God what a bunch of gullible rubes.

1) Create an artificial crisis, causing problems for you but bigger problems for others
The repeated caravans are not made up and other problems and ridiculous number of apprehensions are not made up

2) Say that you will fix the problem you created if they give you stuff/credit
Trying to fix an actual problem is a good thing

3) They - being responsible leaders who care about their countries - cave and you "win"
Getting Mexico to agree to step up their part actually is a win

4) Except they just pretended to agree and do something just to make you STFU and go away until you are distracted by something else shiny
They didnt pretend; it actually happened. We'll see how much they follow through

5) Declare victory and when the smart people start to catch on, repeat step 1
Catch on to what? That Mexico finally agreed to address the problem on their end?

[CaptQuint]

Trump should've threatened Mexico with nuclear weapons

[AnalHamster]

Trump threatened tariffs, got bitchslapped by the senate, caved, then declared victory. Literally what happened here. You dupes.

Mexico agreed to nothing that wasn't already agreed months ago:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/08/us/p ... e=Homepage

There was no deal here, trump threatened to shit on your economy, got told he wasn't allowed to, backed down, then pretended he'd achieved something.

From your own article:

Officials involved with talks said they began in earnest last Sunday, when Kevin K. McAleenan, the acting secretary of homeland security, met over dinner with Mexico’s foreign minister. One senior government official, who was not authorized to speak publicly about the closed-door negotiations that took place over several days, insisted that the Mexicans agreed to move faster and more aggressively to deter migrants than they ever have before.

Their promise to deploy up to 6,000 national guard troops was larger than their previous pledge. And the Mexican agreement to accelerate the Migrant Protection Protocols could help reduce what Mr. Trump calls “catch and release” of migrants in the United States by giving the country a greater ability to make asylum-seekers wait in Mexico.

The Lefts burning desire to shit on anything positive coming out of this administration is quite comical. This is good news no matter how much you pooh pooh it.

Yes, so more of the same things they had already agreed to do you cherry picking cum guzzler. Trump threatened to take a big ol shit on your economy, and would have done if the senate had not stood up to him for a change. Trump had a temper tantrum, threatened to do something he wasn't allowed to do by the grownups, and caved. He undermined his slightly tweaked NAFTA deal and created a climate of uncertainty for anyone importing or exporting with mexico, because we all know he'll be back to threatening the same things when there's no effect from the imaginary win.

But there remains deep skepticism among some American officials — and even Mr. Trump himself — about whether the Mexicans have agreed to do enough, whether they will follow through on their promises, and whether, even if they do, that will reduce the flow of migrants at the southwestern border.

[CHEEZY17]

Trump threatened tariffs, got bitchslapped by the senate, caved, then declared victory. Literally what happened here. You dupes.

Mexico agreed to nothing that wasn't already agreed months ago:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/08/us/p ... e=Homepage

There was no deal here, trump threatened to shit on your economy, got told he wasn't allowed to, backed down, then pretended he'd achieved something.

From your own article:

Officials involved with talks said they began in earnest last Sunday, when Kevin K. McAleenan, the acting secretary of homeland security, met over dinner with Mexico’s foreign minister. One senior government official, who was not authorized to speak publicly about the closed-door negotiations that took place over several days, insisted that the Mexicans agreed to move faster and more aggressively to deter migrants than they ever have before.

Their promise to deploy up to 6,000 national guard troops was larger than their previous pledge. And the Mexican agreement to accelerate the Migrant Protection Protocols could help reduce what Mr. Trump calls “catch and release” of migrants in the United States by giving the country a greater ability to make asylum-seekers wait in Mexico.

The Lefts burning desire to shit on anything positive coming out of this administration is quite comical. This is good news no matter how much you pooh pooh it.

Yes, so more of the same things they had already agreed to do you cherry picking cum guzzler. Trump threatened to take a big ol shit on your economy, and would have done if the senate had not stood up to him for a change. Trump had a temper tantrum, threatened to do something he wasn't allowed to do by the grownups, and caved. He undermined his slightly tweaked NAFTA deal and created a climate of uncertainty for anyone importing or exporting with mexico, because we all know he'll be back to threatening the same things when there's no effect from the imaginary win.

But there remains deep skepticism among some American officials — and even Mr. Trump himself — about whether the Mexicans have agreed to do enough, whether they will follow through on their promises, and whether, even if they do, that will reduce the flow of migrants at the southwestern border.

Of course, as with any agreements, it as yet undetermined how much each party will actually follow through on their end of the deal. This is not something that is unique to this particular agreement. The "win" is that they (Mexico) acknowledged the problem, agreed that its a big fucking problem and agreed that they can and will do more. You can pooh-pooh it all you want. That is a win by any measure.

[Wut]

Trump threatened tariffs, got bitchslapped by the senate, caved, then declared victory. Literally what happened here. You dupes.

Mexico agreed to nothing that wasn't already agreed months ago:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/08/us/p ... e=Homepage

There was no deal here, trump threatened to shit on your economy, got told he wasn't allowed to, backed down, then pretended he'd achieved something.

From your own article:

Officials involved with talks said they began in earnest last Sunday, when Kevin K. McAleenan, the acting secretary of homeland security, met over dinner with Mexico’s foreign minister. One senior government official, who was not authorized to speak publicly about the closed-door negotiations that took place over several days, insisted that the Mexicans agreed to move faster and more aggressively to deter migrants than they ever have before.

Their promise to deploy up to 6,000 national guard troops was larger than their previous pledge. And the Mexican agreement to accelerate the Migrant Protection Protocols could help reduce what Mr. Trump calls “catch and release” of migrants in the United States by giving the country a greater ability to make asylum-seekers wait in Mexico.

The Lefts burning desire to shit on anything positive coming out of this administration is quite comical. This is good news no matter how much you pooh pooh it.

Unsurprisingly it is the same response the opposition had to the last president.

[Wut]

Did you find it comical from 2008 - 2016?

[AnalHamster]

Of course, as with any agreements, it as yet undetermined how much each party will actually follow through on their end of the deal. This is not something that is unique to this particular agreement. The "win" is that they (Mexico) acknowledged the problem, agreed that its a big fucking problem and agreed that they can and will do more. You can pooh-pooh it all you want. That is a win by any measure.

No, because yet again, none of that is new. They had already agreed to all that. Trump manufactured a crisis, then manufactured a fake win, because dupes like you keep falling for it. The cost of adding uncertainty to all trade with Mexico is actually weighed against the win of trump briefly pretending he's done something to keep the base happy. Not even the first time he's run this play, remember when he threatened to close the border entirely? Backed down, the surge continued. He'll be at it again in a few weeks, and he'll declare a huge victory next time too, why stop when you keep falling for it.

[CaptQuint]

[CaptQuint]

On Saturday, I wrote that Trump was oddly gloating about his own retreat from brinksmanship with Mexico over trade and immigration. Having taken the world economy hostage in support of white supremacy, he either had to pull the trigger or back down. Best case scenario, he might have extracted real concessions from a more responsible partner at the cost of turning the United States into an unreliable world pariah.

Well, now it appears that the supposed concessions Trump got from Mexico in exchange for his hostage-taking were either refused or had been agreed to long ago.

Friday’s joint declaration says Mexico agreed to the “deployment of its National Guard throughout Mexico, giving priority to its southern border.” But the Mexican government had already pledged to do that in March during secret talks in Miami between Kirstjen Nielsen, then the secretary of homeland security, and Olga Sanchez, the Mexican secretary of the interior, the officials said.

The centerpiece of Mr. Trump’s deal was an expansion of a program to allow asylum-seekers to remain in Mexico while their legal cases proceed. But that arrangement was reached in December in a pair of painstakingly negotiated diplomatic notes that the two countries exchanged. Ms. Nielsen announced the Migrant Protection Protocols during a hearing of the House Judiciary Committee five days before Christmas.

In some cases, the Trump administration tried to secure concessions and failed:

And over the past week, negotiators failed to persuade Mexico to accept a “safe third country” treaty that would have given the United States the legal ability to reject asylum seekers if they had not sought refuge in Mexico first.

That means one of two things: either Trump knew that all these supposed concessions were mere window dressing already agreed to long ago—and he lied to the country and especially his base about them—or he didn’t know and got played.

Of course, the president’s staff and advisers would have known, which means they also either went along with the charade to deceive Trump or were willing and silent participants in Trump’s dishonest gloating about the deal.

Either way, Trump threatened the global economy with catastrophe and got nothing from it. And now he’s celebrating, and his conservative media allies are doing their best to support the facade of success.

https://washingtonmonthly.com/2019/06/0 ... xico-deal/

[Stapes]

He is basically the boy who cried wolf now. Nobody believes his threats anymore

[CaptQuint]

Mexico Did Not Agree to Agricultural Deal Touted by President Trump, Officials Say


President Donald Trump doubled down on his boast of “large” agricultural sales to Mexico as part of a deal on border security and illegal immigration that averted the threat of U.S. tariffs. But the deal as released had none, and three Mexican officials said they’re not aware of any side accord.

Trump told his 61 million Twitter followers in an all-caps message on Saturday that Mexico had agreed to “immediately begin buying large quantities of agricultural product from our great patriot farmers.” He repeated the tweet shortly after midnight Sunday in Washington.


Donald J. Trump
✔
@realDonaldTrump
MEXICO HAS AGREED TO IMMEDIATELY BEGIN BUYING LARGE QUANTITIES OF AGRICULTURAL PRODUCT FROM OUR GREAT PATRIOT FARMERS!


But the communique issued late Friday by the State Department — the U.S.-Mexico Joint Declaration — made no mention of agricultural trade as part of the agreement.

The State Department didn’t respond to an inquiry made through its press department. The White House declined to comment or offer proof to back up Trump’s tweet. The Mexican foreign ministry’s press office declined to comment.



President Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador said at a rally in Tijuana near the U.S. border that Mexico should celebrate the “important deal” with the U.S. that removed the threat of tariffs as it was preparing to retaliate. He didn’t mention agriculture in his speech attended by leading political figures in the country.

If tariffs “had been applied it would’ve caused significant damage to both economies,” he said. “We were being put in a very difficult and uncircumcized position to have to apply the same measures that were going to be placed on Mexican exports.”

Mexico is already a large buyer of U.S. farm goods, including corn, soybeans, pork and dairy products. It had given no indication of attempting to find alternative suppliers during the one-week standoff over Trump’s proposed steep tariffs on Mexican goods.

Increasing Mexico’s purchases from the U.S. wasn’t discussed during the three days of talks in Washington that led up to Friday’s agreement, said the three people with knowledge of the deliberations who weren’t authorized to speak publicly.

Mexico has no state-owned agricultural conglomerate to buy food products or handle distribution, or a government program that could buy farm equipment for delivery to producers.

Trump earlier on Friday suggested the talks were covering trade in agriculture, and not just border security issues as members of his administration had said — and that the State Department communique listed. If a deal was made, Trump said at the time, “they will begin purchasing Farm & Agricultural products at very high levels.”

Trump on Saturday was fund-raising on the back of the Mexican agreement. His campaign sent out a “donate now” email that read in part, “Art of the Deal! Mexico has agreed to help END ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. Promises Made. Promises Kept.”

Farm states, among the strongest of Trump’s supporters, have been hit hard by the president’s trade war against China, and the threat of additional action against Mexico had some farm-state senators up in arms. The president is expected to travel to the heartland to hold a private fund-raiser in West Des Moines on Tuesday.

https://time.com/5603557/trump-mexico-farm-deal/

[FSchmertz]

I wonder if the farmers will ever stop being his dupes