VinceBordenIII wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 13, 2019 10:17 pm
Why must we play games with words? Yes, they are concentration camps, in the sense that people are being concentrated in a small area, but we don't make people drink watery soup, or bring out their dead in the morning, or make them bend over a table to be beat with a rod, or line up to be shot to death, or pull a giant street roller behind them as part of work parties...
It is intellectually dishonest to refer to the detention centers as concentration camps, because it's meant to imply or create a mental image of something very different.
Quoted for truth.
The linguistic gymnastics used today to infer ideas, invoke emotions, and manipulate minds, all the while obfuscating reality by employing various shades of half-truths to outright lies, is a truly remarkable, and utterly disgusting, sight to behold.
AnalHamster wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 13, 2019 11:00 pm
People always seem to picture the nazi camps as starting out with half starved people being filtered off to the death chambers. That was the end of a process that started with this, concentrating people, dehumanising them, gradually staffing up with sadistic guards and supervisors as the decent ones found other assignments. Getting normal folks like vince and cheezy et al to accept that the untermensch were only getting what was necessary and deserved, protecting the fatherland. Miller won't get his final solution because he doesn't have time and american institutions are just about withstanding the assault, but you'll never get a clearer sight of how it started in real time.
There are a couple of points that need to be made here:
1) If it is indeed true that these border camps are systematically staffing sadistic guards and supervisors while moving the decent ones away then there is a serious issue at hand that needs immediate correction. Do you have proof of this, or are you just giving us a nice oral history of German concentration camps to deliberately create false parallels?
2) There is a massive difference between rounding legal, law abiding citizens and putting them in camps with an end game of killing them (one way or another) and catching people who are not supposed to be here in the first place. The former couldn't flee while the latter can opt to just go someplace else.