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Post by VinceBordenIII » Sun Jul 14, 2019 3:56 am

Cassandros wrote:
Sun Jul 14, 2019 12:32 am
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There are a couple of points that need to be made here:
1) If it is indeed true that these border camps are systematically staffing sadistic guards and supervisors while moving the decent ones away then there is a serious issue at hand that needs immediate correction. Do you have proof of this, or are you just giving us a nice oral history of German concentration camps to deliberately create false parallels?
2) There is a massive difference between rounding legal, law abiding citizens and putting them in camps with an end game of killing them (one way or another) and catching people who are not supposed to be here in the first place. The former couldn't flee while the latter can opt to just go someplace else.
So I conclude you'd think it wouldn't be nearly as bad a thing if we started a "final solution" as long as they're not really citizens?
No sane person agrees with the wholesale slaughter of people.

I certainly do not support such vile ideas and I doubt you do as well.

So maybe read my two points again and see if you can come to a more logical conclusion about what I think.
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Post by AnalHamster » Sun Jul 14, 2019 6:31 am

VinceBordenIII wrote:
Sun Jul 14, 2019 3:43 am
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People always seem to picture the nazi camps as starting out with half starved people being filtered off to the death chambers. That was the end of a process that started with this, concentrating people, dehumanising them, gradually staffing up with sadistic guards and supervisors as the decent ones found other assignments. Getting normal folks like vince and cheezy et al to accept that the untermensch were only getting what was necessary and deserved, protecting the fatherland. Miller won't get his final solution because he doesn't have time and american institutions are just about withstanding the assault, but you'll never get a clearer sight of how it started in real time.
What a steaming pile of shit. beneath even you.
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You read my reply and you know I am right.

Hence your asinine insults.

Again, be better man.

Uh huh, neither of you addressed anything I said. Running scared.

Just no discussion here at all any more.

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Post by CaptQuint » Sun Jul 14, 2019 10:29 am

CHEEZY17 wrote:
Sun Jul 14, 2019 3:35 am
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Sun Jul 14, 2019 2:46 am
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Sun Jul 14, 2019 2:41 am
I wonder why these camps werent a big deal when they were built. Werent they "Concentration Camps" then as well?
It's almost like a competent administration was operating the buildings then
When that administration was building and operating those camps meant to concentrate and detain people in a specific area, were they still "Concentration Camps"?
I'm sure they would, at the height of the unaccompanied minor wave they were no Holiday Inn either. But Trumps Zero Tolerance Policy is exacerbating the problem to point that the conditions have become deplorable. In a May 2018 interview, then-White House Chief of Staff John Kelly told NPR a "big name of the game is deterrence" in stopping illegal immigration, and that family separations "would be a tough deterrent." In my opinion they are being treated like shit to punish them. Now they don't deserve a reward for trying to illegally cross into our country, but they shouldn't be treated worse than prisoners of war.
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Post by CHEEZY17 » Sun Jul 14, 2019 11:30 am

CaptQuint wrote:
Sun Jul 14, 2019 10:29 am
CHEEZY17 wrote:
Sun Jul 14, 2019 3:35 am
CaptQuint wrote:
Sun Jul 14, 2019 2:46 am
CHEEZY17 wrote:
Sun Jul 14, 2019 2:41 am
I wonder why these camps werent a big deal when they were built. Werent they "Concentration Camps" then as well?
It's almost like a competent administration was operating the buildings then
When that administration was building and operating those camps meant to concentrate and detain people in a specific area, were they still "Concentration Camps"?
I'm sure they would, at the height of the unaccompanied minor wave they were no Holiday Inn either. But Trumps Zero Tolerance Policy is exacerbating the problem to point that the conditions have become deplorable. In a May 2018 interview, then-White House Chief of Staff John Kelly told NPR a "big name of the game is deterrence" in stopping illegal immigration, and that family separations "would be a tough deterrent." In my opinion they are being treated like shit to punish them. Now they don't deserve a reward for trying to illegally cross into our country, but they shouldn't be treated worse than prisoners of war.
The problem is that we now have about 100k EVERY MONTH trying to get in. No country in the world can handle that type of onslaught. Then, the problem is exacerbated with an asylum system that is broken and abused (but nobody seems to want to address or fix). The migrants are being coached on how to beat the system: claim asylum and youre in (eventually) as the numbers are so large we wont be able to effectively verify your claim and youll just be released anyway. Hell, even I see the logic in doing what theyre doing. They end up here regardless. What exactly is your cutoff point though for how many migrants we can let in without dragging the resources of our country into the shitter? Surely you can see the problem of letting millions upon millions of unskilled, uneducated, unvaccicnated people with no plans, no job, no support structure except the government and nowhere to go? Its illogical to think we can just absorb this onslaught with no repercussions.
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Post by CaptQuint » Sun Jul 14, 2019 11:45 am

CHEEZY17 wrote:
Sun Jul 14, 2019 11:30 am
CaptQuint wrote:
Sun Jul 14, 2019 10:29 am
CHEEZY17 wrote:
Sun Jul 14, 2019 3:35 am
CaptQuint wrote:
Sun Jul 14, 2019 2:46 am
CHEEZY17 wrote:
Sun Jul 14, 2019 2:41 am
I wonder why these camps werent a big deal when they were built. Werent they "Concentration Camps" then as well?
It's almost like a competent administration was operating the buildings then
When that administration was building and operating those camps meant to concentrate and detain people in a specific area, were they still "Concentration Camps"?
I'm sure they would, at the height of the unaccompanied minor wave they were no Holiday Inn either. But Trumps Zero Tolerance Policy is exacerbating the problem to point that the conditions have become deplorable. In a May 2018 interview, then-White House Chief of Staff John Kelly told NPR a "big name of the game is deterrence" in stopping illegal immigration, and that family separations "would be a tough deterrent." In my opinion they are being treated like shit to punish them. Now they don't deserve a reward for trying to illegally cross into our country, but they shouldn't be treated worse than prisoners of war.
The problem is that we now have about 100k EVERY MONTH trying to get in. No country in the world can handle that type of onslaught. Then, the problem is exacerbated with an asylum system that is broken and abused (but nobody seems to want to address or fix). The migrants are being coached on how to beat the system: claim asylum and youre in (eventually) as the numbers are so large we wont be able to effectively verify your claim and youll just be released anyway. Hell, even I see the logic in doing what theyre doing. They end up here regardless. What exactly is your cutoff point though for how many migrants we can let in without dragging the resources of our country into the shitter? Surely you can see the problem of letting millions upon millions of unskilled, uneducated, unvaccicnated people with no plans, no job, no support structure except the government and nowhere to go? Its illogical to think we can just absorb this onslaught with no repercussions.
So why didn't Trump and the GOP gang sort this out when they held congress? Eliminating the asylum provision and load these fuckers onto some C-17's and drop their collective asses at San Salvador Airport? The left definitely would have screamed holy hell but it's better than whats happening right now
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Post by CaptQuint » Sun Jul 14, 2019 11:47 am

And most people from South America are vaccinated so thats a bullshit point, you're more likely to sit next to facebook Karen Jones and her unvaccinated brood at The Cheesecake Factory that catch the plague from Carlos the guy who cleans your gutters
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Post by CHEEZY17 » Sun Jul 14, 2019 12:14 pm

Rampant migrant illnesses force U.S. Border Patrol to seek help, change procedures
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/201 ... 454759002/

I wish The R's would have addressed the broken asylum system. I suspect any attempt to fix the abused system would have been met with the usual cries of racism though.
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Post by CaptQuint » Sun Jul 14, 2019 12:22 pm

CHEEZY17 wrote:
Sun Jul 14, 2019 12:14 pm
Rampant migrant illnesses force U.S. Border Patrol to seek help, change procedures
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/201 ... 454759002/

I wish The R's would have addressed the broken asylum system. I suspect any attempt to fix the abused system would have been met with the usual cries of racism though.
"The ill migrants have been arriving with all kinds of ailments, many with flu or pneumonia" I've never had a vaccine that prevents either of those
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Post by VinceBordenIII » Sun Jul 14, 2019 1:34 pm

AnalHamster wrote:
Sun Jul 14, 2019 6:31 am
VinceBordenIII wrote:
Sun Jul 14, 2019 3:43 am
AnalHamster wrote:
Sat Jul 13, 2019 11:00 pm
People always seem to picture the nazi camps as starting out with half starved people being filtered off to the death chambers. That was the end of a process that started with this, concentrating people, dehumanising them, gradually staffing up with sadistic guards and supervisors as the decent ones found other assignments. Getting normal folks like vince and cheezy et al to accept that the untermensch were only getting what was necessary and deserved, protecting the fatherland. Miller won't get his final solution because he doesn't have time and american institutions are just about withstanding the assault, but you'll never get a clearer sight of how it started in real time.
What a steaming pile of shit. beneath even you.
Cassandros wrote:
Sun Jul 14, 2019 1:18 am
AnalHamster wrote:
Sun Jul 14, 2019 1:11 am
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You read my reply and you know I am right.

Hence your asinine insults.

Again, be better man.

Uh huh, neither of you addressed anything I said. Running scared.

Just no discussion here at all any more.
Your whole premise is ridiculous. This is this, that’s all it is. It’s not the start of some evil slippery slope.

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Post by AnalHamster » Sun Jul 14, 2019 2:49 pm

VinceBordenIII wrote:
Sun Jul 14, 2019 1:34 pm
AnalHamster wrote:
Sun Jul 14, 2019 6:31 am
VinceBordenIII wrote:
Sun Jul 14, 2019 3:43 am
AnalHamster wrote:
Sat Jul 13, 2019 11:00 pm
People always seem to picture the nazi camps as starting out with half starved people being filtered off to the death chambers. That was the end of a process that started with this, concentrating people, dehumanising them, gradually staffing up with sadistic guards and supervisors as the decent ones found other assignments. Getting normal folks like vince and cheezy et al to accept that the untermensch were only getting what was necessary and deserved, protecting the fatherland. Miller won't get his final solution because he doesn't have time and american institutions are just about withstanding the assault, but you'll never get a clearer sight of how it started in real time.
What a steaming pile of shit. beneath even you.
Cassandros wrote:
Sun Jul 14, 2019 1:18 am
AnalHamster wrote:
Sun Jul 14, 2019 1:11 am
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and
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You read my reply and you know I am right.

Hence your asinine insults.

Again, be better man.

Uh huh, neither of you addressed anything I said. Running scared.

Just no discussion here at all any more.
Your whole premise is ridiculous. This is this, that’s all it is. It’s not the start of some evil slippery slope.
My premise that the German camps opened in 1933 were not the same as the extermination camps? Just historical fact. They interned people for crimes or being undesirables as defined by the state, gradually dehumanizing them. The move to extermination camps came nearly a decade later, they started with something much closer to the current US concentration camps and a population of folks like you who were cool with it.

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Post by FSchmertz » Sun Jul 14, 2019 3:25 pm

It seems that it's not a long step from "those aren't our people" to "those aren't really people like us."

Then once they're "not people," certain kinds of folks think it's OK to treat then inhumanely. And in the past that's led to all sorts of crimes against humanity.

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Post by CaptQuint » Sun Jul 14, 2019 4:30 pm

Hutus and Tutsis, they were the same color and some fucked up shit happened
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Post by FSchmertz » Sun Jul 14, 2019 4:37 pm

CaptQuint wrote:
Sun Jul 14, 2019 4:30 pm
Hutus and Tutsis, they were the same color and some fucked up shit happened
If you haven't seen it, you should see

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hotel_Rwanda

I think this is the best movie Don Cheadle has done.

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Post by VinceBordenIII » Sun Jul 14, 2019 4:56 pm

FSchmertz wrote:
Sun Jul 14, 2019 4:37 pm
CaptQuint wrote:
Sun Jul 14, 2019 4:30 pm
Hutus and Tutsis, they were the same color and some fucked up shit happened
If you haven't seen it, you should see

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hotel_Rwanda

I think this is the best movie Don Cheadle has done.
Uh, excuse me, Buck Swope in Boogie Nights? Ring a bell?
How about Juicy Burgers Worker in Moving Violations?

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Post by FSchmertz » Sun Jul 14, 2019 4:58 pm

VinceBordenIII wrote:
Sun Jul 14, 2019 4:56 pm
FSchmertz wrote:
Sun Jul 14, 2019 4:37 pm
CaptQuint wrote:
Sun Jul 14, 2019 4:30 pm
Hutus and Tutsis, they were the same color and some fucked up shit happened
If you haven't seen it, you should see

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hotel_Rwanda

I think this is the best movie Don Cheadle has done.
Uh, excuse me, Buck Swope in Boogie Nights? Ring a bell?
How about Juicy Burgers Worker in Moving Violations?
Have you even seen Hotel Rwanda?
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Post by CHEEZY17 » Sun Jul 14, 2019 5:09 pm

FSchmertz wrote:
Sun Jul 14, 2019 3:25 pm
It seems that it's not a long step from "those aren't our people" to "those aren't really people like us."

Then once they're "not people," certain kinds of folks think it's OK to treat then inhumanely. And in the past that's led to all sorts of crimes against humanity.
Lets say Donny wins a second term...do you honestly believe Death camps are in our future?
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Post by VinceBordenIII » Sun Jul 14, 2019 5:17 pm

CHEEZY17 wrote:
Sun Jul 14, 2019 5:09 pm
FSchmertz wrote:
Sun Jul 14, 2019 3:25 pm
It seems that it's not a long step from "those aren't our people" to "those aren't really people like us."

Then once they're "not people," certain kinds of folks think it's OK to treat then inhumanely. And in the past that's led to all sorts of crimes against humanity.
Lets say Donny wins a second term...do you honestly believe Death camps are in our future?
This is happening, man!

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Post by Charliesheen » Sun Jul 14, 2019 5:18 pm

The Cap'n has repeatedly blessed this board with photos of his idyllic holler. Clearly he's got nothing to worry about. No kids in school, no overrun emergency rooms with indigents, TB, etc.

He'd be squealing like a sow were they traipsing across his propitty, destroying fences and gates, leaving trash and corpses. He'd demand something be done.

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Post by FSchmertz » Sun Jul 14, 2019 5:43 pm

CHEEZY17 wrote:
Sun Jul 14, 2019 5:09 pm
FSchmertz wrote:
Sun Jul 14, 2019 3:25 pm
It seems that it's not a long step from "those aren't our people" to "those aren't really people like us."

Then once they're "not people," certain kinds of folks think it's OK to treat then inhumanely. And in the past that's led to all sorts of crimes against humanity.
Lets say Donny wins a second term...do you honestly believe Death camps are in our future?
Hopefully not. The conditions they're kept in might indicate something in-between, with the same justification.

I'd hope that even if someone who got into office would attempt something like that, they would be stopped by the very institutions they would constantly try to undercut.

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Charliesheen wrote:
Sun Jul 14, 2019 5:18 pm
The Cap'n has repeatedly blessed this board with photos of his idyllic holler. Clearly he's got nothing to worry about. No kids in school, no overrun emergency rooms with indigents, TB, etc.

He'd be squealing like a sow were they traipsing across his propitty, destroying fences and gates, leaving trash and corpses. He'd demand something be done.
I'll just tweet and demand they return where they came from, just like Trump. Even though AOC was born 8 miles away from Trump Tower
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Trump literally just told 4 american colored congresswomen to go home to countries that are not actually theirs because they are american. He's a racist, his defenders claiming he isn't in the face of all the evidence are also racist. I mean, it'll be interesting to see how he tries to backtrack on his latest blatant racism, but seriously, how can anyone still be fooled?

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AnalHamster wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:17 am
Trump literally just told 4 american colored congresswomen to go home to countries that are not actually theirs because they are american. He's a racist, his defenders claiming he isn't in the face of all the evidence are also racist. I mean, it'll be interesting to see how he tries to backtrack on his latest blatant racism, but seriously, how can anyone still be fooled?
Silly foreigner, brown people aren't American. We put brown people in cages.
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Post by CaptQuint » Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:35 am

AnalHamster wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:17 am
Trump literally just told 4 american colored congresswomen to go home to countries that are not actually theirs because they are american. He's a racist, his defenders claiming he isn't in the face of all the evidence are also racist. I mean, it'll be interesting to see how he tries to backtrack on his latest blatant racism, but seriously, how can anyone still be fooled?
To be fair, I've heard the President of Puerto Rico is a real piece of shit
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Post by AnalHamster » Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:37 am

CaptQuint wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:35 am
AnalHamster wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:17 am
Trump literally just told 4 american colored congresswomen to go home to countries that are not actually theirs because they are american. He's a racist, his defenders claiming he isn't in the face of all the evidence are also racist. I mean, it'll be interesting to see how he tries to backtrack on his latest blatant racism, but seriously, how can anyone still be fooled?
To be fair, I've heard the President of Puerto Rico is a real piece of shit
Well it is a bit of a shithole country. Not like it's Norway or something.

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AnalHamster wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:37 am
CaptQuint wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:35 am
AnalHamster wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:17 am
Trump literally just told 4 american colored congresswomen to go home to countries that are not actually theirs because they are american. He's a racist, his defenders claiming he isn't in the face of all the evidence are also racist. I mean, it'll be interesting to see how he tries to backtrack on his latest blatant racism, but seriously, how can anyone still be fooled?
To be fair, I've heard the President of Puerto Rico is a real piece of shit
Well it is a bit of a shithole country. Not like it's Norway or something.
I've heard the president of Puerto Rico rapes children and hangs out with billionaire pedophiles. What a shithole country!
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